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User kaspar appears to be working for the competitor and to my detriment

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Hello Otland Members,

Today a user with the nickname kaspar deleted my thread, deleted all replies about him, and gave me a warning point and intimidate me with a ban.

My topic was available at this address:
https://otland.net/posts/2678141/

Content for which I got a warning:
I present my newest beautiful and tasty layout called Curve Frame. If you are interested in a unique layout, write to me on discord.

I would like to add that all Marsupilami and Pinama layouts have their own, hand-made graphics. All illustrations are licensed under CC0. By using our layouts, you don't have to worry about the hassle of using stolen illustrations.

Thread with my services: Webdesigner - Marsupilami - Web design services (https://otland.net/threads/marsupilami-web-design-services.274319/)

• E-mail: [email protected]
• Discord: 4Marsupilami#1243

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A message from the user kaspar:
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There was no offer to sell. In the layout description, I emphasized that the background used has a CC0 license (because I wanted audiences to see that it is not "borrowed" from the Tibia background.)

I would like to emphasize that my thread was available from November 2021. And no one objected to him.

Until a noble lord and ruler kaspar who had gotten some delusions and being malicious or acting to my detriment (perhaps also working for the competition) removed my thread and gave me a warning.

I am asking the administration to consider the case and take consequences against the kasper.
 
This is not a sale offer. Every thread of mine has this written. But only this one has been removed.

I see, if it's free then why not just post it in the downloads section? Does everyone who contacts you on discord get the layout for free? I don't take the reason from the moderator, it's in the rules and to me a topic of this format sounds more like a sales promotion
 
Should the sale offer not include the PRICE?
 
I see, if it's free then why not just post it in the downloads section? Does everyone who contacts you on discord get the layout for free? I don't take the reason from the moderator, it's in the rules and to me a topic of this format sounds more like a sales promotion

Look:
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Do you see this description? I showed off my layout and wrote how it was made. I did exactly what you would expect in this section.

I also wrote (if anyone was interested in any help / work from me - to get in touch). It is not forbidden.
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Thats why you need to contact on discord ;D
Please do not contribute more on this topic as you are creating redundant messages. I am waiting for the reaction of the forum administration.
 
Look:
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Do you see this description? I showed off my layout and wrote how it was made. I did exactly what you would expect in this section.

I also wrote (if anyone was interested in any help / work from me - to get in touch). It is not forbidden.

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Do you see Kaspar message and rules ?


Please do not contribute more on this topic as you are creating redundant messages. I am waiting for the reaction of the forum administration.

Its open community forum bro
 
Thats why you need to contact on discord ;D
Its a exaggeration. Clinging to details in order to act to the harm of a person is not ok.
Contact proposal can be related to everything, including giving help, or giving advice on the future layout designs.
Yes, we do many layouts and always posting them on forum. We are always free for people to message us what the next work should look like.
I'm taking it more like gallery, exhibition, portfolio. Why take it only as free or for sale? There is other options, like gain opinions and fulfill people ideas. And by definition, the sales offer includes a price, this post does not contain.
I hope someone will take look at this. Thank you.
 
Yeah, I personally don't think that "If you are interested in a unique layout, write to me on discord." constitutes an offer for sale/purchase. I think it is a carefully worded sentence with the express intention of respecting the rules, not ignoring them.
I can understand how someone may take it the wrong way though and I doubt that @Kaspar has acted intentionally maliciously. Hopefully this can be cleared up!

Update: While I stand by my original statement above in its limited scope, some other posts by this user do seem to break the rule directly.
 
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Hello.

You are giving your external contact information in many of your threads, encouraging users to contact you there if they like what they see. These threads basically look identical to your Jobs thread. Referring users to contact you externally if they want your layouts - is interchangable with selling a service or in this case, a layout. At least in this situation.
And to point out the obvious... You are actually linking to your Jobs thread. You are only doing this to advertise your service.

I will give you a few examples of your threads that are also breaking the rule. Your intention will be clearer after looking at all of your threads and seeing the situation as for what it actually is.

Threads showing off maps, just like your threads showing off layouts.
Your intent is clear here since you explicitly say that you sell maps.

Here's an identical layout-showoff thread as the one I warned you for.
People actually comment that they've contacted you and paid for your services.

And I don't know who your competitor is, nor do I care. I don't have any OTS-affiliation. I just try to moderate the forum in a just way. Which I am convinced that I've done in this case. Or maybe I haven't, since you actually haven't learned your lesson even after receiving a warning.
Just be honest next time man, you'll save everyone's time by doing so.

@Michael 4463 I hope that I've cleared it up for you.
 
Hello.

You are giving your external contact information in many of your threads, encouraging users to contact you there if they like what they see. These threads basically look identical to your Jobs thread. Referring users to contact you externally if they want your layouts - is interchangable with selling a service or in this case, a layout. At least in this situation.
And to point out the obvious... You are actually linking to your Jobs thread. You are only doing this to advertise your service.

I will give you a few examples of your threads that are also breaking the rule. Your intention will be clearer after looking at all of your threads and seeing the situation as for what it actually is.

Threads showing off maps, just like your threads showing off layouts.
Your intent is clear here since you explicitly say that you sell maps.

Here's an identical layout-showoff thread as the one I warned you for.
People actually comment that they've contacted you and paid for your services.

And I don't know who your competitor is, nor do I care. I don't have any OTS-affiliation. I just try to moderate the forum in a just way. Which I am convinced that I've done in this case. Or maybe I haven't, since you actually haven't learned your lesson even after receiving a warning.
Just be honest next time man, you'll save everyone's time by doing so.

@Michael 4463 I hope that I've cleared it up for you.

You are contradicting yourself.

I take seriously everyone who wants to talk to me. That's why I always include my Discord. Because chat over otland isn't cool.

There are no rules that prohibit linking to another topic on the same forum.

If someone likes my show work - he or she can look at the topic with my services (otland offers such a section to announce yourself, so the more your thinking is some sh*t).

If otland allows you to advertise its services - why can't I do something for someone? Your reasoning is unclear again.

I think that since you are not acting for the competition, you are acting to the detriment of the otland forum. I'm sorry to see this forum collapse by people like you. You're spoiling this community.
 
Hello.

You are giving your external contact information in many of your threads, encouraging users to contact you there if they like what they see. These threads basically look identical to your Jobs thread. Referring users to contact you externally if they want your layouts - is interchangable with selling a service or in this case, a layout. At least in this situation.
And to point out the obvious... You are actually linking to your Jobs thread. You are only doing this to advertise your service.

I will give you a few examples of your threads that are also breaking the rule. Your intention will be clearer after looking at all of your threads and seeing the situation as for what it actually is.

Threads showing off maps, just like your threads showing off layouts.
Your intent is clear here since you explicitly say that you sell maps.

Here's an identical layout-showoff thread as the one I warned you for.
People actually comment that they've contacted you and paid for your services.

And I don't know who your competitor is, nor do I care. I don't have any OTS-affiliation. I just try to moderate the forum in a just way. Which I am convinced that I've done in this case. Or maybe I haven't, since you actually haven't learned your lesson even after receiving a warning.
Just be honest next time man, you'll save everyone's time by doing so.

@Michael 4463 I hope that I've cleared it up for you.

As I said before its a exaggeration...
Otland regulations dont even precise what is and what isnt advertising. It only tells you can't sell and buy on otland and advertising websites.
Why moderator can't just contact with user and try to come to an agreement, and for example explain what in his opinion is wrong (because as we see we got various opinions, diffrent people interpret the regulations in diffrent way) and edit that part when it comes to one sentence or link? (I still dont know where exactly problem is) Is it necessary to spam with warnings, deleting content and saying our time is being wasted? I guess that's what you're here for, to solve such problems and we are here to learn what we are doing wrong.
 
Discussing semantics on wether or not what was done was an advertisement. It clearly is, and also is this thread.
Otland regulations dont even precise what is and what isnt advertising.
As soon as they draw a clear line some smartass gonna play the sly and advertise without crossing it, despite clearly advertising.
 
Discussing semantics on wether or not what was done was an advertisement. It clearly is, and also is this thread.

As soon as they draw a clear line some smartass gonna play the sly and advertise without crossing it, despite clearly advertising.

But I still mean it's easy to give someone a warning for something without a specific emphasis. Whether the advertisement in this case is an invitation to contact, just sharing contact information or sharing a link to another thread on the forum? If I put random stuff with my discord is it advertising? And if you think that this thread is for advertising you are just advertiser contributing here then.

Anyway, I will not continue the topic, because I have known for a long time that creators in the Otland are ignored and deceived. And if someone tries to prove their point, they get banned.
 
every now and then there is a new complaint about the mods, eventually there will be no mods left.
lets see how u people like otland then.
 
Anyway, I will not continue the topic, because I have known for a long time that creators in the Otland are ignored and deceived. And if someone tries to prove their point, they get banned.

Yeah yeah, conspiracionism. Only shady stuff, shadow bans, backstabbing and deceit. Be careful on which alleyway or corner you take in Otland, you might lose your wallet and even worse.

Just imagine if there was a specific section here for those that want to advertise their services.
 
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