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Suggestion Remove otservlist subforum

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As in the title, I'm suggesting to remove that subforum.
It doesn't seem like there is any interest anyway, only about 10 posts were sent this year.
Not even xinn seems to care at all, as he's not answering there (and lately not even visiting otland at all).

Besides, I don't see a reason why this particular service is promoted (especially when it appears in otland board which may mislead people to think otland and otservlist are one, despite the red warnings inside).

Maybe that's one of the reasons why we don't see any proper initiatives in that matter - because it looks like otservlist has developed a monopoly within otland. I'm referring here to discussions such as: Should OtLand Open New OtServerlist site? (https://otland.net/threads/should-otland-open-new-otserverlist-site.272217/)

So if anything, maybe create a subforum for ots lists in general, where admins could post threads about their sites in which the users would discuss them (similarly to "server gala")?

Of course there would be only several threads at best and probably not much traffic too, but I still find it better to create an environment for fair competition rather than greatly favor one particular service for unknown reasons. Otherwise just remove that subforum.

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Mod reply:
I read about two suggestions here, the first one is to remove the OTServlist board, and the second one is for OTLand to create our own OTSList. I can understand how the two suggestions can correlate with each other (but it's not a given). The board can still exist, whether or not we decide to adjust our own advertisement method of servers.

As has already been mentioned in a post above, OTServlist redirects traffic to OTLand (vice versa), and while neither I know the details of when and why the cooperation agreement between the two was made, I can still see the benefits of still having it.

Just wanted to let you know that we've noticed the thread and the feedback from other users regarding these two topics.

Hope you guys are having a good day today, it's really nice weather here in Stockholm today! 🌞🌻

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We link to that server list (and maintain a forum for it), because their website links to us in the main menu (the specific sub-forum).

There may be may reasons to like or dislike this list but I don't think us having the forum is any form of advertising it. We used to host so-called "Hosted Project Boards" back in the days, and many projects were relying on it instead of building their own forums. Building own forums became much easier and most other boards were retired with the exception of this one, because the website still exists (while other projects mostly ceased to function) and hasn't chosen to build its own forum. Other projects that would have had forums a while back (such as AACs) now use GitHub issues or discussion and also don't need to have such a forum.

The Otservlist board was specifically placed at the bottom of all the forums but since someone assumed that it being in the "Otland" category implies association, it was moved to the "Community Chatboards" category, therefore going up on the list. We don't have (nor need) a dedicated Hosterd Project Boards category to put it in separately, which would also make it more visible and cost more space.

If there was any other server list or really any OT project of any kind willing to have a project board and it would make sense, I'm still open to do that. Unfortunately, we haven't seen any other server list that would actually live long and have any substantial traffic and ask for a project board, which is why this one remains the only one.

Again, there is no association, no sponsoring, nothing to gain for us from having the board. But most importantly, there is nothing to gain from removing it at this point, which is why I'm not removing it.

there is no secret or lucrative arrangement between us and otservlist.org. We have hosted the "project board" pretty much forever and continue to do so because the alternative is simply for xinn to set up his own forum. Instead, it seems easier to have one larger forum. There is no endorsement, however. I know this forums stands out because all other "hosted project boards" are now defunct and hidden, due to those projects simply not being active. It is still simply a hosted project board.

This open discussion can continue and no decision has been made yet, nor am I implying that there is one necessarily coming. Civilized posts here won't be deleted and everyone can have their own opinion.

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I find it interesting there are more upvotes on this thread than those who liked the 1.4 news release post after over a month xD prob not for long, and I'm sure alt accs are at play, but still entertaining nonetheless
 
I find it interesting there are more upvotes on this thread than those who liked the 1.4 news release post after over a month xD prob not for long, and I'm sure alt accs are at play, but still entertaining nonetheless
I find it more interesting that this has 5x more upvotes than the second most upvoted feedback thread ever (71 to 14).
 
No response to this?
Let me again list 3 the most recent xinn's posts from his "Report dataspoof" board to picture how useful it is.

1. 1st July 2019
2. 2nd December 2016
3. 22nd March 2013

3 xinn's posts ago some otland users were probably in primary school. Maduro was preparing for the presidential election. Barack Obama just won his re-election. The Netherlands was the runner-up in football. Tibia was in 9.83 version and exactly 4 years before announcing BattleEye.

Following the pattern we can expect next posts in 2022 and 2025.
5 months later those three are still the most recent posts in his board.
The most recent post in any board dating now to 1.5 years ago.
Has the administration maybe reviewed the need for keeping that board? Especially considering the lack of response here?
 
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Maybe this thread should be bumped every day so admins of otland 'can see' it exists
 
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1 2 3 4 what otservlist subforum is there even for?
 
5 months later those three are still the most recent posts in his board.
The most recent post in any board dating now to 1.5 years ago.
Has the administration maybe reviewed the need for keeping that board? Especially considering the lack of response here?
I guess not. Will ask in another half a year then.
 
I guess not. Will ask in another half a year then.
Don't waste your time, it's better used elsewhere. This has already been open for almost a year and has 79 upvotes.
 
Since the thread is still open, I assume it's not forbidden to refresh it after a few months.

Recently @Gesior.pl made a post elsewhere, about how otservlist works, and it was quickly removed. Not sure if for an offtopic, or whatever. I guess it fits here though, so let me paste it. For most people it's rather obvious, but apparently not for all, since otservlist subforum is still here with us.

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This post was originally made here, and that thread is an interesting case itself. Owner of those reported servers (of course no one of the otservlist staff responds to those reports anyway) said that he proved to Xinn he was not spoofing. How come? He links some tool to hide the real IP in the downloads of his server website, in order to make his players open more clients, bypassing the "four IP" rule. Amazing.

So let me ask, did anyone maybe reconsider this suggestion? Or it was decided once and for all, that this crappy and scammy list will stay linked here forever?
 
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The whole otservlist.org board on the forum should be removed. It's useless. It's a list of servers that are paying Xinn.
Not removing the subforum looks like Otland is sponsored by Xinn.
 
I am checking what I wrote yesterday when I was drunk* and well... this one is a reasonable proposition.
The whole otservlist.org board on the forum should be removed.




*tbh I never drank alcohol.
 
I am checking what I wrote yesterday when I was drunk* and well... this one is a reasonable proposition.
The whole otservlist.org board on the forum should be removed.




*tbh I never drank alcohol.

Can you test if you still think it should be removed while being high?

@kay Thanks for bringing that up. There doesn't seem to be any reason for the removal there other than exposing?
 
Can you test if you still think it should be removed while being high?
I'll do that tomorrow when I get back to normal after being high.


Look what I have found on dictionary.com, a definition of Otservlist:

Otservlist

abbreviation
Open Tibia Server List

noun (in relation to the website)
A list of servers that are paying Xinn.

See synonyms for Otservlist:
  • corrupted;
  • spoofed;
  • scam;
 
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Thank you very much:
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Nice reason to remove people posts: "some mod thinks that I lie". Does he have some 'trusted' source of information? Like Xinn? -.-
I'm not posting some story that I heard about. I'm posting my own experience on consulting 'what to do, Xinn banned my server and want to do some inspection'.

How can I know which mod removed my post?

I helped multiple servers to pass Xinn 'inspection'. Some of them were spoofing and passed it. Some of them were not spoofing and get ban (or not get ban removed).
Biggest difference was that some of them paid for ads and some not.
 
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What the heck? 🤣

Since when is that even a reason to remove posts? Cause I remember I once reported a guy slandering my person, and the mod was like "you can just post your reply, we can't verify" and bla bla. So even if there's some misstatement in Gesior's post - xinn can reply to it, can't he? Oh wait, he doesn't even post in otland since like 5 years ago.

Anyway, I'm really curious how the mod was able to verify whether that post was true or not. Hell, not only he was able - he has done it in only about 30 minutes since the post was made. 😂

Does the staff mind at least telling us which part of Gesior's post was a lie?

@Kaspar @Don Daniello sorry for tagging you guys, but since there's no way for us to tell which mod that was and you were the only ones who cared to reply in this thread at all...
 
pathetic what people can do for few bucks on open tibia forum

the same people expecting from users to respect rules
 
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Nice reason to remove people posts: "some mod thinks that I lie". Does he have some 'trusted' source of information? Like Xinn? -.-
I'm not posting some story that I heard about. I'm posting my own experience on consulting 'what to do, Xinn banned my server and want to do some inspection'.

How can I know which mod removed my post?

I helped multiple servers to pass Xinn 'inspection'. Some of them were spoofing and passed it. Some of them were not spoofing and get ban (or not get ban removed).
Biggest difference was that some of them paid for ads and some not.

Does it matter which one? It's not about one clown. It's about the whole circus.


Reminder:
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Maybe its automated moderation?

2+2=5
 
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