Debian, Ubuntu over Fedora, openBSD?

[Herpicus]

I was wondering why someone would choose Debian, or Ubuntu over the other Linux Distrobutions like Fedora, YDL, openBSD, etc

I know that Ubuntu is much more user friendly to beginners but I really don't see much of a difference with the operating systems. I use the latest Ubuntu on one of my laptops, but mostly for OpenShot Video Editor and some of the addicting games. ^_^

 

[stian]

Ubuntu are generally a "easy" distro with lots of guides.

I personally think that Fedora is a better server distro because it got everything in a much simpler package tree and even if you kill yum right in the middle of install, the install tree ain't fucked. But the best distro is Gentoo, you can choose absolutly all security potions (RBAC, SELinux, pax, ssp, gresecurity etc etc) and youcompile all packages to be optimalized to your CPU, and what features you want to include in every application. This saves space and makes it generally speedier.

OpenBSD is the most secure OS that exists, it handle alot of "hacks" at compile time, and in the kernel to prevent security holes in the code to even affect the system at all. Memory can only be read or execute, not both etc. OpenBSD is the project that handle OpenSSH and OpenSSL too. And Pentagon are using OpenBSD on their servers.

In the end all linux distroes are a mix of gnu project tools and the linux kernel (kernel.org), the diffrent ain't "that" big. But Gentoo can run with BSD kernel (Gentoo/BSD).

 

[Herpicus]

Ubuntu are generally a "easy" distro with lots of guides.

I personally think that Fedora is a better server distro because it got everything in a much simpler package tree and even if you kill yum right in the middle of install, the install tree ain't fucked. But the best distro is Gentoo, you can choose absolutly all security potions (RBAC, SELinux, pax, ssp, gresecurity etc etc) and youcompile all packages to be optimalized to your CPU, and what features you want to include in every application. This saves space and makes it generally speedier.

OpenBSD is the most secure OS that exists, it handle alot of "hacks" at compile time, and in the kernel to prevent security holes in the code to even affect the system at all. Memory can only be read or execute, not both etc. OpenBSD is the project that handle OpenSSH and OpenSSL too. And Pentagon are using OpenBSD on their servers.

In the end all linux distroes are a mix of gnu project tools and the linux kernel (kernel.org), the diffrent ain't "that" big. But Gentoo can run with BSD kernel (Gentoo/BSD).

Thank you very much for this informative reply stain.

 

[Kippetjee]

Next week in Gonna say Bye to windows and going to ubuntu

 

[kornholi]

I personally think that Fedora is a better server distro

Fedora is a desktop distro.

even if you kill yum right in the middle of install

You mean RPM not yum since yum is a frontend to RPM.

the install tree ain't fucked

wat.

But the best distro is Gentoo, you can choose absolutly all security potions (RBAC, SELinux, pax, ssp, gresecurity etc etc)

SELinux ("RBAC") - most distros have this available..?

pax - a patch to linux kernel (NX bit + ASLR), not Gentoo specific at all...?

grsecurity - set of patches for linux kernel (pax + RBAC), probably wouldn't work together with SELinux.

SSP - a compiler feature... How is this related to Gentoo?

You can choose most of these features on many distros.

youcompile all packages to be optimalized to your CPU, and what features you want to include in every application. This saves space and makes it generally speedier.

People who have actual work to do don't spend days messing around with compiler flags.

Memory can only be read or execute, not both etc

You can't execute without "reading". What you are talking about is writable regions being non-executable by default, which is nothing new (NX bit). Most OS (including Windows) support it, not only OpenBSD.

OpenBSD is the project that handle OpenSSH and OpenSSL too.

OpenSSL is developed by the OpenSSL project, not OpenBSD or OpenSSH.

But Gentoo can run with BSD kernel (Gentoo/BSD)

And? There are ports of debian to NetBSD and FreeBSD kernels. Like Gentoo/BSD, they are all far from done and production quality.

 

[Don Daniello]

The most secure and stable linux distro is RedHat You have to pay for it and you know what you get.
grsec - I use it on Debian.
Fedora - mainly desktop, sponsored by RedHat so Fedora might want to be a free version of RH.

 

[vpaan]

The most secure and stable linux distro is RedHat You have to pay for it and you know what you get.
grsec - I use it on Debian.
Fedora - mainly desktop, sponsored by RedHat so Fedora might want to be a free version of RH.

"Free Red Hat" is CentOS, not Fedora.

If you think that one distribution is magically more secure than some other one, you probably don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Shinmaru]

The most secure and stable linux distro is RedHat You have to pay for it and you know what you get.
grsec - I use it on Debian.
Fedora - mainly desktop, sponsored by RedHat so Fedora might want to be a free version of RH.

The statement above is an opinion.

"Free Red Hat" is CentOS, not Fedora.

If you think that one distribution is magically more secure than some other one, you probably don't know what you are talking about.

Please read Don Daniello's statement once more!

you probably don't know what you are talking about.

Arrogance ensues. You should stop with your negative comments, it seems to me that you THINK you know what you're talking about, but with that kind of arrogance I can only see a lot of fail from you.

I would suggest you, to next time bring constructive comments and state your opinions(there are ways to say things to others, even if you disagree with them).

Please learn how to respect others and their opinion and if you think they are wrong show them where they are wrong, don't just jump the gun!

 

[vpaan]

The statement above is an opinion.

His "opinion" doesn't line up with the facts. Fedora is a Red Hat- supported community distribution that was conceived after RH dropped support for their desktop distribution. Fedora's aim is not to "want to be a free RHEL [Red Hat Enterprise Linux]", but to be a separate distribution designed for desktop usage.

CentOS on the other hand is a community project to recompile and package RHEL from their source code (since RHEL licenses cost money) - and thus it is "free Red Hat".

Arrogance ensues. You should stop with your negative comments, it seems to me that you THINK you know what you're talking about, but with that kind of arrogance I can only see a lot of fail from you.

How is it arrogant of me to correct something that is blatantly false? If you're seriously measuring the level of security by whatever distribution or operating system your server is running, you are doing it wrong. Just because you are running Windows Server 2008 doesn't mean that your server is insecure - and just because you replace it with OpenBSD will not make it magically bulletproof.

I don't claim to know everything and there are far more knowledgeable people in this topic, but he is not one of them.

 

[Don Daniello]

Ok, stop now. And you should really listen to Shimaru.

Fedora is a wannabe free version of RH Workstation.
CentOS is a wannabe free version of RH Server.

Btw. Red Hat still supports their workstation version of RH.

And the power of Red Hat lies in money. You pay for it, they test everything, provide instant updates and support. CentOS, for example, can afford some mistakes, ofc they rare. If you know what your're using and doing any distro can be safe (especially without network or electric current ) but we want to have it in easiest way.

 

[Slain]

Personally I host on ubuntu and it doesnt lag...so what more do u need?
We are talking about hosting or general use? if general use, go to windows 7..hosting ubuntu 10.10 is easy to configure and works fine.

 

[Don Daniello]

Lagging doesn't depend on distribution, in this case it's only a name.

 

[vpaan]

Fedora is a wannabe free version of RH Workstation.
CentOS is a wannabe free version of RH Server.

"RH Workstation" is RHEL ("RH Server", as you call it). Thus you are wrong: CentOS is a free version of both "RH Workstation" and "RH Server".

Btw. Red Hat still supports their workstation version of RH.

You're right - they do and they always have supported it. As I mentioned above, the "workstation edition" is part of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, the only distribution that they still actively develop. What I have been talking about is Red Hat Linux, which was dropped in 2004 which led to Fedora being created.

Download CentOS and you will find that it supports both command-line only server installs and a traditional GNOME desktop.

 

[Don Daniello]

I think that Fedora focuses on GUI and CentOS on server usage (command line) like Ubuntu and Debian.

And we come to one simple conclusion:
Red Hat Linux -> Fedora
Red Hat Enterprise Linux ~~> free CentOS

Now I call RHEL Red Hat, because it's the only Red Hat now.

 

[Shinmaru]

Read this, it will clear up all the small differences.

 

[Benny]

I recently changed to Ubuntu last week with the 10.10 release (after being on windows all my life) and I have to say, that there is very small change that I will go back to windows after using Ubuntu for a week!

My computer boots in like 30 seconds flat!

:3

 

[Don Daniello]

I recently changed to Ubuntu last week with the 10.10 release (after being on windows all my life) and I have to say, that there is very small change that I will go back to windows after using Ubuntu for a week!

Do you mean *chance* instead of *change* ?

 

[Benny]

yeah, haha sorry I kinda rushed it before I went to College, but yeah, highly doubtful I will go back to windows

 

[Shinmaru]

yes, Linux boots blazing fast and without slowing down through time of usage, it's very light(3GB+- on first installation, about 8-10GB after all the updates + some software installed) compared to Windows massively bloated OS (30 - 40 GB with Updates + Basic programs).

 

[Herpicus]

>>30 - 40 GB
Trolling.

I'm hosting with the latest Ubuntu and using Windows 7 for Gaming, Photoshop, ETC
I find that for some reason Minecraft runs smoother on Ubuntu than on Windows 7