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[Sweden] - Project XDC - 8.6 (Closed)

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hehemidu said:
botting is allowed in this server? if so i'm not even going to try it :s
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Botting is allowed on every game currently released on the PC right now so don't bother trying any of them, just go back to rl and drink a milkshake because its hot today!

Before someone tries to flame this response let me explain a few things...

Part 1, the botters:
Game companies have been trying to fight botting for quite some time now using complex algorithms to detect repetitive movement and other stuff. This information takes time to collect and once it is collected and confirmed they flag your account. This process can take anywhere from 1 week to 1 month and after that time they will issue a huge wave of bans to everyone they have flagged. What this means is that for that 1 week-1 month there is a huge plethora of bots running around flooding the markets with gold. Now you might be saying at this point "well after that week the bots are gone!" that is actually not the case because most of these gold farmers are preparing new bots to run after the next ban wave anyway. Even in a pay to play game where it costs upwards of $15 a month and $50 for the game itself. What you have to realize is that each account that has paid $60-80 for the game has made well over $500 in profit. Multiply that amount by anywhere between 10-100 and you can see that even the most amateur gold farmer is making more than enough money to pay for new accounts after each ban wave.

Part 2, the impossible solution:
The only way a game company could fight bots would be to come up with the ultimate detection tool that flags a botter instantly and bans them on the spot. The reason this isn't done is because it is EXTREMELY difficult and ultimately very easy to crack. The people who make bots are very intelligent people and use many tactics to get around detection, by using a delayed ban system it makes it very difficult for bot developers to figure out what exactly caused their product to become "detected". If a company were to make it ban the account instantly these developers could just run test after test until they perfect it, and then release the bot to everyone once it is undetected. Think of it like driving without a licenses, its not a matter of "if you are caught" but a matter of "when will you be caught" and it works both ways. Not IF but WHEN the botters bypass the detection methods and not IF but WHEN they are detected and banned.

Part 3, this server and the current solution:
So basically my point is that, even if botting is not allowed people are still going to do it. And if botting is not allowed then only the few lucky (or smart) botters will get away with it and thus have an advantage over the rest of the community who are either unskilled at botting or is just trying to be respectful of the rules. What we did in this server is make afk botting for long periods of time extremely difficult and require the player to be active. This means that you can use a bot for all kinds of cool things and not worry about getting banned, but you cant use the bot to power level 24/7 past the entire community and destroy everyone. Players found to be cheating the afk system will not receive a ban, their entire account will be locked indefinitely.
 
Xagul said:
Botting is allowed on every game currently released on the PC right now so don't bother trying any of them, just go back to rl and drink a milkshake because its hot today!

Before someone tries to flame this response let me explain a few things...

Part 1, the botters:
Game companies have been trying to fight botting for quite some time now using complex algorithms to detect repetitive movement and other stuff. This information takes time to collect and once it is collected and confirmed they flag your account. This process can take anywhere from 1 week to 1 month and after that time they will issue a huge wave of bans to everyone they have flagged. What this means is that for that 1 week-1 month there is a huge plethora of bots running around flooding the markets with gold. Now you might be saying at this point "well after that week the bots are gone!" that is actually not the case because most of these gold farmers are preparing new bots to run after the next ban wave anyway. Even in a pay to play game where it costs upwards of $15 a month and $50 for the game itself. What you have to realize is that each account that has paid $60-80 for the game has made well over $500 in profit. Multiply that amount by anywhere between 10-100 and you can see that even the most amateur gold farmer is making more than enough money to pay for new accounts after each ban wave.

Part 2, the impossible solution:
The only way a game company could fight bots would be to come up with the ultimate detection tool that flags a botter instantly and bans them on the spot. The reason this isn't done is because it is EXTREMELY difficult and ultimately very easy to crack. The people who make bots are very intelligent people and use many tactics to get around detection, by using a delayed ban system it makes it very difficult for bot developers to figure out what exactly caused their product to become "detected". If a company were to make it ban the account instantly these developers could just run test after test until they perfect it, and then release the bot to everyone once it is undetected. Think of it like driving without a licenses, its not a matter of "if you are caught" but a matter of "when will you be caught" and it works both ways. Not IF but WHEN the botters bypass the detection methods and not IF but WHEN they are detected and banned.

Part 3, this server and the current solution:
So basically my point is that, even if botting is not allowed people are still going to do it. And if botting is not allowed then only the few lucky (or smart) botters will get away with it and thus have an advantage over the rest of the community who are either unskilled at botting or is just trying to be respectful of the rules. What we did in this server is make afk botting for long periods of time extremely difficult and require the player to be active. This means that you can use a bot for all kinds of cool things and not worry about getting banned, but you cant use the bot to power level 24/7 past the entire community and destroy everyone. Players found to be cheating the afk system will not receive a ban, their entire account will be locked indefinitely.
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I get your point i truly do, eveyone bots (or a big part of the people playing tibia) and my post wasnt to flame or something like that so i dont appreciate being threated like some whining 12 year old kid.

I know how much work it takes to create such a complex and costum server and the final decision is obviously yours but why let botting destroy such an amazing costum server, i know a dozen of people who wont play this because botting is allowed, i know people bot and such and its hard to catch em but to just let em be without doing something isnt something i can grasp, this faster stamina and mini game is a step in the right direction because afk botting is the worst. Imo botting destroyed the game even more than CIP did...

But i wish you and your server the best of luck ,
and there is still hope for Open tibia because of people like you who take the time to create something truly costum

Kind regards ,
hehemidu
 
hehemidu said:
i know a dozen of people who wont play this because botting is allowed, i know people bot and such and its hard to catch em but to just let em be without doing something isnt something i can grasp, this faster stamina and mini game is a step in the right direction because afk botting is the worst.
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I guess I find it hard to understand the concern some people (like you) have. So the stamina minigame is a step in the right direction you say because afk botting is bad. But that still does not satisfy you, so I am actually confused what other botting you dislike? It would help if you were to give a list of other things bots can do that you feel ruins the game. The reason this confuses me is because I have already put auto looting and healing into the game thus you no longer require a bot for that. So the only thing I can think that is left is auto targeting. I mean for you to say "I don't want to play this server because people are allowed to use auto targeting" that seems petty to me and it feels like you are just trying to find a reason to not play the server. Even more so is the fact that not only do u decide not to play the server because of this but you also feel the need to go onto the forum thread and post a question you already know the answer to.
hehemidu said:
botting is allowed in this server? if so i'm not even going to try it :s
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But you just said to me that you know a dozen people who will not play this server because botting is allowed thus you already knew that botting is allowed thus you just came on here to flame the server. Am I wrong in that conclusion?
 
I think he just wanted clarification on how exactly the botting work on here. Here's my "list of other things bots do that I feel ruin the game" many people just make other characters and bot them for mining, tome looting, etc..which is pretty stupid, and it's not auto loot or auto heal that's a problem it's that you can just set waypoints and make it hunt for you, make it do tasks while you can just alt tab and do something in the meantime. Whereas those people who don't bot have to do it all manually. Now I liked that exp orb system you implement, it helps but it would be nice to see more of that with mining, quests, etc..
 
Xagul said:
But you just said to me that you know a dozen people who will not play this server because botting is allowed thus you already knew that botting is allowed thus you just came on here to flame the server. Am I wrong in that conclusion?
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Youre not right tho // He said that he knows a dozen of people who will not play this server because botting is allowed. Which is something he found out after the massive (&detailed) explanation you just gave ;P
 
Records070 said:
Youre not right tho // He said that he knows a dozen of people who will not play this server because botting is allowed. Which is something he found out after the massive (&detailed) explanation you just gave ;P
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he didn't necessarily find out from xaguls post solely based on the wording. if he said 'IS botting allowed? if so i wont play' then i would understand your logic. HOWEVER he said 'Botting is allowed? if so i wont play' which implies he came across a post that someone was botting openly or experienced it in game and was told it was. it's like seeing someone get a refill on a soft drink and saying 'refills are allowed?' instead of blindly asking a cashier 'hey are we allowed to get refills?'

just my opinion on the subject.
 
@ Xagul

I have a suggestion: Make all the foraging items(mana bell/life blossom/cotton/etc) buy able. You also did this for mining items.
This would help with the alchemy and crafting skill.
 
I read somewhere botting was allowed and wanted to know if this was true and if so what kind was allowed... so i wasnt just here to flame, i love costum ots and like i said earlier i really detest botting so srry if U found my post offensive

And like zasranets said the making waypoints , mcing different chars for special rare drops bother me

But i wish You the best of luck with the server

Kind regards,
Hehemidu
 
I heard the rule is, you can only bot if you are Diamond League or higher on League of Legends.
and you must prove that it is your account by renaming one of your rune pages "Project XDC".

Otherwise if he catches you botting and you are Gold League or lower he will summon a special Anti-Bot creature, that starts stealing your equipment and items, then once it steals all your items, it slowly saps away your exp till you are level 1.
 
<Upldates to fix this ot > Dont allow Mcing. simple but neat. 1 char online per account.

botting is allowd. k. they cannot 24/7 and need to be active. just like me.

i need to right click, kay. my finger will be trained for my girlfriend so im fine with that

healing and looting ni sin which is fine , not even needed but fine (ilveu)
so whats left? the fact people can have 10 account on and all they need to do is seperate theyre login time 1-4 minutes from each other and than do the minigame on all of tham for about 2 mins and go afk 45 mins again

this is a issue you cannot talk down xagul. I love your server. I'm just saying.
 
Flatlander said:
I heard the rule is, you can only bot if you are Diamond League or higher on League of Legends.
and you must prove that it is your account by renaming one of your rune pages "Project XDC".

Otherwise if he catches you botting and you are Gold League or lower he will summon a special Anti-Bot creature, that starts stealing your equipment and items, then once it steals all your items, it slowly saps away your exp till you are level 1.
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Shame that you havent released any ot since Species >.> Those were good servs
 
Zasranets said:
It's because Flat decided to work on like a lot of different projects instead of sticking to just one lol.
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Its true, I have the attention span of a banana. I keep opening new projects when I get bored of old ones.
 
you didnt open shit since more than a century.

and when people started asking what on with Rise of abbadon you just didnt login for a month and ignored everything. dick
 
Blazed Druid said:
you didnt open shit since more than a century.

and when people started asking what on with Rise of abbadon you just didnt login for a month and ignored everything. dick
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The owner of Rise of Abbadon quit, it wasn't my server, so I had no reason to continue production of it.
 
Blazed Druid said:
spreading this information instead of making dosen people wait would be sweet.
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Blame Heartless, it was his server, I had no obligation to it other than being a scripter.
Xagulz has put more work into this server in 1 day than Heartless did during his entire server.
And this thread should be about his server, not me. So lets end this convo.
 
Blazed Druid said:
<Upldates to fix this ot > Dont allow Mcing. simple but neat. 1 char online per account.

botting is allowd. k. they cannot 24/7 and need to be active. just like me.

i need to right click, kay. my finger will be trained for my girlfriend so im fine with that

healing and looting ni sin which is fine , not even needed but fine (ilveu)
so whats left? the fact people can have 10 account on and all they need to do is seperate theyre login time 1-4 minutes from each other and than do the minigame on all of tham for about 2 mins and go afk 45 mins again

this is a issue you cannot talk down xagul. I love your server. I'm just saying.
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I have never seen a single person running 10 accounts. I can fix this MC issue, few problems however...
If I limit connections to 1 then people who have friends and family in the same house cant play at the same time.
If I limit connections to 2-3 then people can still MC. Since most people only MC 1-2 characters anyway this wont fix anything.

In all honestly I am done listening to this crybaby shit.
  1. People can multi-client.
  2. People can use bots.
  3. People can share accounts.
Don't like it? Get over it and move on. Server is 8.6 because I made it so and isn't changing any time soon so get over yourself and just accept the fact that no matter what mmo you play somebody somewhere is going to be better and have more than you. The majority of those somebody's are botting. Stop letting your epeen get in the way of you having a good time.
 
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