About bots

[Borisoff]

Hello. I haven't played tibia for ages, but now I suddenly have an urge to try it again on some cool OTS, but there is one thing that I'm wondering about. Are there any servers that exclude or ban players for using bots like ElfBot ? I've read a little bit about previously mentioned bot, and the thought that everybody may be using it turns me off. To an old date tibia player like me, it feels like an huge and unfun exploit (please spare me, grammar nazis

 

[Flatlander]

It is unfair to people who don't bot, but you might ask yourself, why don't you bot?

Many players feel the tasks the bots do are the boring or repetitive parts of tibia. (Hunting for countless hours, hitting heal hotkey every few seconds, hitting spell hotkey every 2 seconds, using haste every 20 seconds, targetting stairhopping players, etc)

These are all things that tibia actually did horribly in my opinion.

1. Hunting is so easy and boring that people would rather a bot do it than do it themselves.
2. Having to constantly cast the same spell over and over again for hours of hunting is bad game design.
3. Having to manage spells that you want "always on" like haste, or manashield is pretty ridiculous.
4. Attempting to target stairhopping players SHOULD NOT be how it is (you shouldn't lose a target that leaves your Z axis, only ones that get off-screen)

Personally, when developing an OT I try to FIX these problems rather than have players bot. Make fun hunting, spells that you use wisely and strategically instead of every 2 seconds, etc.

But other developers just expect their players to bot. Which isn't a bad thing. Botting can be fun, and very rewarding. If you have never tried it, I do recommend it.

Play the server when you are there, bot when you are not. Let the bot perform repetitive boring tasks for you, like sorting loot, mining, etc.

Bots aren't evil, Servers that are so boring you want to bot are the true enemy ^_^.

 

[Borisoff]

Thanks for the fast reply! The main reason I dislike bot engines is the simplified pvp - like combo attacks (tibia equivalent of SPIKE! from guildwars, but it is done automatically, meh). I think I prefer to nervously spam hotkeys and in the meantime try to aim the right enemy with sd runes. hell I was botting myself a few years ago in ankharum using some simple, basic bots (hipocrite) which got me pk'ed many times Yep, stair tactics are pretty annoying and unfair. Hunting can be made more satisfying like you said.

 

[Evil Puncker]

avoid 8.6 servers and you are free of 90% botters

 

[Borisoff]

avoid 8.6 servers and you are free of 90% botters

Why is it that way now ? Is it because 8.6 is very popular or just newer/older versions are not compatible with bots, or is it anything else? I want to know why's and how's

 

[hehemidu]

It is unfair to people who don't bot, but you might ask yourself, why don't you bot?

Many players feel the tasks the bots do are the boring or repetitive parts of tibia. (Hunting for countless hours, hitting heal hotkey every few seconds, hitting spell hotkey every 2 seconds, using haste every 20 seconds, targetting stairhopping players, etc)

These are all things that tibia actually did horribly in my opinion.

1. Hunting is so easy and boring that people would rather a bot do it than do it themselves.
2. Having to constantly cast the same spell over and over again for hours of hunting is bad game design.
3. Having to manage spells that you want "always on" like haste, or manashield is pretty ridiculous.
4. Attempting to target stairhopping players SHOULD NOT be how it is (you shouldn't lose a target that leaves your Z axis, only ones that get off-screen)

Personally, when developing an OT I try to FIX these problems rather than have players bot. Make fun hunting, spells that you use wisely and strategically instead of every 2 seconds, etc.

But other developers just expect their players to bot. Which isn't a bad thing. Botting can be fun, and very rewarding. If you have never tried it, I do recommend it.

Play the server when you are there, bot when you are not. Let the bot perform repetitive boring tasks for you, like sorting loot, mining, etc.

Bots aren't evil, Servers that are so boring you want to bot are the true enemy ^_^.

the master has spoken why do you say everything i want to say all the time .
On topic: Like flat said: people making boring task (grind) on an ot just make people bot. i haven't bot on any ot , or at least not afk but i have wasted so many hours on boring tasks that i just could have done while doing some other stuff using a bot.
If you don't want botters , don't play rl maps imo. play something cool ,custom (what else) and experience the true feeling of rpg once more, like back in the day

Kind regards,
Hehemidu

 

[Evil Puncker]

Why is it that way now ? Is it because 8.6 is very popular or just newer/older versions are not compatible with bots, or is it anything else? I want to know why's and how's

two words: cracked elfbot

 

[Zasranets]

I don't really play much now a days because almost everyone bots whether they admit it or not, and I find it completely unfair to those who don't bot, like me.

I absolutely despise botting regardless if it's afk, non-afk. training, pvp, etc.. any kind of botting is shameful in my eyes and always will be.

But.. I do understand why people bot, like Flatlander pointed out, most people bot because the sever contains boring and repetitive task and such.
Which is why I absolutely hate real map servers, evolution maps, and so on.. I've wasted so much time doing things I could of done with a bot 10x
faster and that's why I prefer super custom in-depth servers that take skill.

Pretty much any server you play today will have botters.(mostly 8.6) and people will always find a way to bot, even if servers don't allow bots
people will still bot because it's near impossible to get caught as long as you're not afk and somewhat smart lol...

I personally think OT's and it's players have become brain dead zombies who let a program do everything for them. It's pretty sad haha but its the
truth and OT's has been slowly dying. More and more real maps/download and run servers every day. I've seen countless of awesome custom
server die out due to lack of players which is disappointing because they had real potential.

I'm honestly only still on here because I'm waiting for Necronia! I know botting will never stop so if you want to play tibia again, I'd suggest
to get a bot or don't bother play tibia because speaking from experience, a player without a bot doesn't stand a chance against someone with a bot.

 

[hehemidu]

I'm honestly only still on here because I'm waiting for Necronia!

Same one of the biggest reasons i still stick around , and ofc also my own project

 

[Yamaken]

avoid 8.6 servers and you are free of 90% botters

Last time i have played Shadow Cores( 10.30 ) it was so full of botters.
There is bot for all popular versions of Tibia, you cant deny it.
Anyway, Flatlander is correct: Tibia game design has some flaws, bot take advantage of that.
What turn bot the devil is the fact its totally ruins Tibia PVP.
Oh, and i like Tibia somehow. In 2007, when i truly played tibia( every day of the week ), i really enjoyed hunting dwarfs with my paladin. 7.8~7.92 was a cool update because of new outfits, addons and liberty bay. Then, 8.0 come and paladin become a really good vocation. Joining a guild, getting higher level, hunting better monsters and doing war was naturally to me. Of course, there was already tibiabot ng in this time with a lot of scripts but i used it mainly to looting, because its really boring and counter productive. I like many others miss this "old" Tibia. No ot( global ) can give this experience back, because they are all shit with a lot of cavebotters and teams with combo leader, super rates dont help either, and the content is horrible.

 

[Flatlander]

@up all good points.

OTs that Xagulz make usually have benefits to not botting. (Which make it pretty even for non-botting players).
Making a server that botters AND non-botters both can play and have fun on is an interesting goal to me.

I hope Deathzot v2 pans out and works well because it would be interesting to see that server type succeed.

 

[Yamaken]

@up all good points.

OTs that Xagulz make usually have benefits to not botting. (Which make it pretty even for non-botting players).
Making a server that botters AND non-botters both can play and have fun on is an interesting goal to me.

I hope Deathzot v2 pans out and works well because it would be interesting to see that server type succeed.

Well, i dont belive in that, Botting is like a disease for Tibia.Cave Botting is not the main issue here, the main issue is PVP. Even if the server have GMs and means to check if someone is botting afk, there is always someone using the bot on PVP( which cannot be objectively detected ), which we all now, is the key feature in Tibia and a lot of other games.
So, if pvp is ruined, what the matter in the game? getting fun?
Unfair fun, i guess.

After all, nobody( players ) cares.

 

[Flatlander]

Well, i dont belive in that, Botting is like a disease for Tibia.Cave Botting is not the main issue here, the main issue is PVP. Even if the server have GMs and means to check if someone is botting afk, there is always someone using the bot on PVP( which cannot be objectively detected ), which we all now, is the key feature in Tibia and a lot of other games.
So, if pvp is ruined, what the matter in the game? getting fun?
Unfair fun, i guess.

After all, nobody( players ) cares.

The things Bots give to PvP should be given to all players.

Dash should be be added into all clients. Hold-Target while stair hopping should be added into all clients. And there should be a way to "Mark" targets so guildmates can see who you want to combo down first. (Kind of like a ping)

I hate running slow due to lag, I hate stair hopping, and I hate that it is impossible to coordinate with teamates on tibia without using Ventrilo or Teamspeak. That's why bots exist, those features make tibia pvp impossible without bot.

 

[Borisoff]

Like the Yamaken - I strongly dislike the PVP element of bots. I'am searching for an alternative, because autospam of heal, runes, combo attacks doesn't appeal to me. It is extremely simplified to the level of being a hack or an exploit, which I despise (I know, hypocrisy again). Thanks for all replies, helpful information and suggestions ! I must reconsider now if it's worthwhile to play Tibia again in this dreadful state of botmania.

 

[Zasranets]

@up all good points.

OTs that Xagulz make usually have benefits to not botting. (Which make it pretty even for non-botting players).
Making a server that botters AND non-botters both can play and have fun on is an interesting goal to me.

I hope Deathzot v2 pans out and works well because it would be interesting to see that server type succeed.

His servers hardly have benefits to not botting. Perhaps maybe the only thing he did to benefit non-botting was when he made the script where items are drop around the monster when killed. Also maybe that maze thing or whatever it was, but still that was only for afk botters. Xagul himself bots lol so I'm not surprised, but I do give him credit for trying and implementing those systems. Same thing goes for Synthetic and Deathzot v1, he allowed everyone to bot. You could log on and message every single person online and no one would respond because they're all botting xD It just kinda sucks because both Xagul and Synthetic are huge devs of extreme custom severs, which is awesome, but when you find out it's botting severs it blows.. nonetheless I've heard rumors that Deathzot v2 will have like 2 sides, botting and non-botting and the botting side will receive less exp or something like that. So if that's somewhat true ill be looking forward to playing

 

[Flatlander]

His servers hardly have benefits to not botting. Perhaps maybe the only thing he did to benefit non-botting was when he made the script where items are drop around the monster when killed. Also maybe that maze thing or whatever it was, but still that was only for afk botters. Xagul himself bots lol so I'm not surprised, but I do give him credit for trying and implementing those systems. Same thing goes for Synthetic and Deathzot v1, he allowed everyone to bot. You could log on and message every single person online and no one would respond because they're all botting xD It just kinda sucks because both Xagul and Synthetic are huge devs of extreme custom severs, which is awesome, but when you find out it's botting severs it blows.. nonetheless I've heard rumors that Deathzot v2 will have like 2 sides, botting and non-botting and the botting side will receive less exp or something like that. So if that's somewhat true ill be looking forward to playing

Necronia will not have bots (Hurray OTClient!), My upcoming server will not have bots (Also OTClient).
Some people like bots, some don't. If you absolutely do not want to play with botters, then your only real choice is to play a server with a custom client.

 

[Laur1]

If something in this game requires nerves, instinct, hard work or pure skill, some people replaces these with programs. And I can't understand what's the fun anymore?

Appearantly these people doesn't have, what I mentioned above.

When I started to play, people hardly knew about bots, or back then they were more macro-like programs to pick up spears while training on a monk. And I've had to test and try out basically all available bots because of the GM jobs, didn't feel a spark in my heart.

Over and out!

 

[Zasranets]

Exactly... you have a program doing everything for you like how is that even fun lol and then people who bot call themselves good? lmao okay.
@Flatlander I love custom clients more than anything, also means custom sprites of the owner decides to include them. I know Necronia will not have bots, that pretty much the only reason I'm still on here, Necronia! I just rarely see custom clients now a days because most people hate using them... and if a server ever does use a custom client it'll have a low player amount :/

 

[Laur1]

Yeah well... Some servers, which are created with no small amount of imagination, with tons of custom things in them are the most amazing ones. Those servers aren't really Tibia anymore, but just whole another game with the basic layout of a game called Tibia. However, these servers are aimed to entertain the players of Tibia. It joints two worlds together, in a quite interesting way.

However, when it comes to customizing a server, it's a whole other subject. It also requires learning and hard work to get good in a customized OT, and there might be slight changes which gives the players some of the benefits a bot program would do, but that's not the same as botting.

Botters are never good, they might be the highest levels, has millions of cash and dozens of high leveled characters, but they will NEVER reach the same line with fair players, in my eyes. And I guess that most fair players thinks the same. As we all know, Tibia is, besides the characters, items, quests, levels and abilities, a game of strong friendships, everlasting guilds, seamless cooperation and a strong community. Usually botters doesn't fit in this afterall.

 

[Yamaken]

The things Bots give to PvP should be given to all players.

Dash should be be added into all clients. Hold-Target while stair hopping should be added into all clients. And there should be a way to "Mark" targets so guildmates can see who you want to combo down first. (Kind of like a ping)

I hate running slow due to lag, I hate stair hopping, and I hate that it is impossible to coordinate with teamates on tibia without using Ventrilo or Teamspeak.

I agree with you, dash should be included in the client by default, its a good feature and helps a lot.
Losing target while stair hopping is a bad thing, i agree.
Marking targets would be good, but not necessary.
You can hate, but its reality. Extraordinary guilds in Tibia have done extraordinary wars because of ventrillo/teamspeak. You need voice communication to do real time extrategy. I have played others games like Age of Empires II online or League of Legends, and dude, you need to use voice communication if you have a team.

That's why bots exist, those features make tibia pvp impossible without bot.

lol. Are you serious?
Bots exists as a automation, and then as a tool that replaces( in pvp ) the ability of the player with a robot. Dont dare to say that bot exists to make pvp exists in Tibia.

Necronia will not have bots (Hurray OTClient!), My upcoming server will not have bots (Also OTClient).
Some people like bots, some don't. If you absolutely do not want to play with botters, then your only real choice is to play a server with a custom client.

Well, if Necronia reach a really great number of players, then someone will try to do a bot. If its not, its just dont worth the job. Its just a matter of numbers.