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Why there is no normal servers anymore?

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Wondering why there is no normal Tibia servers anymore. Everything is 8.0, 7.4 or some fast evo with manarunes. Most likely servers are constructed for no lifers with no job or some streamer, exp stage ending on 3/2x on lvl 80/70. Why everyone forgotten about nice, good and mid hard version of Tibia wich is 8.4/8.6? We had Yalahar, potions, runes in shop and normal map, mid high exp stages and huge teams, wars and servers wich were crowded for like 2 months atleast (Shadowcores, Huntera, Eloth).
Why shadowcores or huntera doesnt exist anymore? They had great product. I tried Kasteria and Realera and seriously, why there is no anything better??
 
Because every time someone asks about 8.4-8.6 they're supposed to take "tfs downgrade by Nekiro!!!1" because "0.4 bugged", it takes a year of work to make it playable and then the project dies.

Also stagnant and ever older player base (Tibia in general), the fact that making good servers is a ton of work, idk maybe it's not all that rewarding? Also it's hard to bootstrap a server for noobs, I've helped some people set up theirs and there's lots of implicit knowledge required to get running. So who's gonna host shit when the current owners get bored and shut down?
 
nowadays players are very demanding to play a server, they want many things inside a server and everything demands money.
If we had a good base, "no bugs" to start a project, maybe we would have more servers, but these "bases" are only sold and are not open to the public.
Apart from the work you can do to create a server, site / server / client etc.
 
I do feel like Cipsoft Tibia is starting to get good RPG features (like Wheel of Destiny, charms and every other feature that make each character unique), however, for me, it's sad to see level 2000 players, I mean, what happen to that time where was hard for player to get level 500. A good server, most likely to Cipsoft Tibia, is Taleon, however, there a player abouve level 1500 aswel.
 
Because every time someone asks about 8.4-8.6 they're supposed to take "tfs downgrade by Nekiro!!!1" because "0.4 bugged", it takes a year of work to make it playable and then the project dies.

Also stagnant and ever older player base (Tibia in general), the fact that making good servers is a ton of work, idk maybe it's not all that rewarding? Also it's hard to bootstrap a server for noobs, I've helped some people set up theirs and there's lots of implicit knowledge required to get running. So who's gonna host shit when the current owners get bored and shut down?

Well, there was many ready servers like shadowcores, why noone continue?
 
8.6 launched 12 years ago. Biggest reason why it was relevant for so long was elfbot. Besides botting, there isn't much a raw 8.6 server can offer. Shadowcores was plain rl map with most recent game version at its time. You can find many rl map servers with most recent game version if you're asking as a player.

If you're asking as a dev, it's just harder to launch a server now. If you take an old engine, you have to find and fix old and known critical bugs (eg. yur wall cheat or house guest list crash). If you take a new one, you have to spend months or even years patching it, first because it takes a lot of time and communication to get a commit merged in a public repo, second because not everyone is willing to share their fixes.

regarding exp rates, it probably made players stay for longer before having to relaunch
 
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I think, 99% of servers are just hosted for money, hosting Tibia servers, especially fast war servers results in some nice income from constumers.
This is the whole reason.
 
I think that you say through nostalgia to those times. I you would login to server like raw 8.6 then probably you would logout after few hours. I think that 8.6 servers that exists nowadays are just for people that want to use bot on it.
 
Because every time someone asks about 8.4-8.6 they're supposed to take "tfs downgrade by Nekiro!!!1" because "0.4 bugged", it takes a year of work to make it playable and then the project dies.

Would u tell people with 0% lua experience to use 0.4 over 1.5?

No one says 0.4 is shit overall its just bit buged and has less support
 
it takes a year of work to make it playable and then the project dies.
Best thing said i saw in otland the last 4 years.
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nowadays players are very demanding to play a server, they want many things inside a server and everything demands money.
If we had a good base, "no bugs" to start a project, maybe we would have more servers, but these "bases" are only sold and are not open to the public.
Apart from the work you can do to create a server, site / server / client etc.
i never heard about a base it is all self built by a team or somebody spending his time on it.
 
Would u tell people with 0% lua experience to use 0.4 over 1.5?

No one says 0.4 is shit overall its just bit buged and has less support

No one really stops anyone from using 0.4. You'll just have to rely on yourself because most people have already moved on and don't really want to go back so you're unlikely to get free 0.4 support from the community.
 
Wondering why there is no normal Tibia servers anymore. Everything is 8.0, 7.4 or some fast evo with manarunes. Most likely servers are constructed for no lifers with no job or some streamer, exp stage ending on 3/2x on lvl 80/70. Why everyone forgotten about nice, good and mid hard version of Tibia wich is 8.4/8.6? We had Yalahar, potions, runes in shop and normal map, mid high exp stages and huge teams, wars and servers wich were crowded for like 2 months atleast (Shadowcores, Huntera, Eloth).
Why shadowcores or huntera doesnt exist anymore? They had great product. I tried Kasteria and Realera and seriously, why there is no anything better??

What is "normal" tibia? Do you mean latest version, like current/latest version of real Tibia?

Probably because any server with all those features is incomplete or buggy, and if you're going to play an OT of the latest version of tibia, you may as well just play actual tibia since you can just buy a char or buy all the exp boosts and supplies you want.
 
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Because its boring af. U talk about "no lifers" playing custom ots, like I would want to go back to 8.6 and kill fucking Dragon Lords with my basics + using 1 hotkey. Even RL tibia nowadays is 100x more interesting then that.

Besides, more custom options, more char building options/eqs/flashy spells actually give u a feeling of upgrading ur char everyday, not skilling for 10 days and lvling for 20 days to see ur dmg increase by 50
 
Because its boring af. U talk about "no lifers" playing custom ots, like I would want to go back to 8.6 and kill fucking Dragon Lords with my basics + using 1 hotkey. Even RL tibia nowadays is 100x more interesting then that.

Besides, more custom options, more char building options/eqs/flashy spells actually give u a feeling of upgrading ur char everyday, not skilling for 10 days and lvling for 20 days to see ur dmg increase by 50

Fair enough, everyone's got different interests and tibia has changed A LOT over the last 25 years. IF you don't like ots, you can just play real tibia then. no ones saying you cant. I'm just saying why there aren't new tibia private servers, because why bother when you can just play tibia? Why play a version of tibia that's incomplete and buggy when you could just play actual tibia if you still like all the new features? Its just as Pay to win as any ot server is.

Some people play 7.x or 8.x ots because, people like myself look at what tibia has become and it's no longer recognisable as Tibia. I myself liked and preferred the simplicity. I was a big fan of tibia for not having lvl requirements, or vocation requirements on tibia, I dislike WOW for the same reason items are Bind on Equip, but that concept is long gone. Everything requires a specific lvl or vocation now, but I understand why...

Anything under lvl 500 is low level these days and the game is only about finding a spawn that has the best possible exp/h, not at all about rpg.
 
Fair enough, everyone's got different interests and tibia has changed A LOT over the last 25 years. IF you don't like ots, you can just play real tibia then. no ones saying you cant. I'm just saying why there aren't new tibia private servers, because why bother when you can just play tibia? Why play a version of tibia that's incomplete and buggy when you could just play actual tibia if you still like all the new features? Its just as Pay to win as any ot server is.

Some people play 7.x or 8.x ots because, people like myself look at what tibia has become and it's no longer recognisable as Tibia. I myself liked and preferred the simplicity. I was a big fan of tibia for not having lvl requirements, or vocation requirements on tibia, I dislike WOW for the same reason items are Bind on Equip, but that concept is long gone. Everything requires a specific lvl or vocation now, but I understand why...

Anything under lvl 500 is low level these days and the game is only about finding a spawn that has the best possible exp/h, not at all about rpg.
I get ur point but at some point it HAS to go over 500 lvl.. imagine if tibia is online for 20+ years and ppl could only reach lvl 400, it would have way less players, like why play something where u cant progress
 
I get ur point but at some point it HAS to go over 500 lvl.. imagine if tibia is online for 20+ years and ppl could only reach lvl 400, it would have way less players, like why play something where u cant progress
and my feeling is, why play something where progress is now trivial and doesn't mean what it meant anymore because you can just buy your way there. Mages with over 10k hp? what a fuckin joke it is now.

People can feel differently. That;s all. I love tibia, but have about no interest in playing modern tibia 12/13. Though i might if any rl friends still played, too.

Last time I played was about tibia 9/10, and lvl 340, so im pretty out of touch with all the new stuff now.
 
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and my feeling is, why play something where progress is now trivial and doesn't mean what it meant anymore because you can just buy your way there. Mages with over 10k hp? what a fuckin joke it is now.

People can feel differently. That;s all. I love tibia, but have about no interest in playing modern tibia 12/13. Though i might if any rl friends still played, too.

Last time I played was about tibia 9/10, and lvl 340, so im pretty out of touch with all the new stuff now.
If you ever were to try modern tibia again, then i would recommend playing ironman. That is what i currently play and i love it.
No market, no trading with others or getting carried through quests. Felt super awesome looting elvish bow after 891 elf scouts, since it was a huge upgrade for me and i can't just buy one off the market. Shit like that makes it fun.

Kind of nuts looking at the market and seeing that i can make over 800k at level 40 by selling shit there, without even trying. Having no real progression outside of levels is boring
 
Much offtopic there, still we dont know why there is no good and simple OT servers with version 8.4/8.6 - even if we had ready products like shadowcores/huntera
 
I wondered the same for a long time but concluded that those 8.6 servers were not as good as we remember them its just that at the time we didn't have anything better; it was either one of those 8.6 that was online or real tibia that started to lose grasp on what player base wanted (world transfers, running pvp, etc)

1. Those servers back in the day lasted longer because you didn't have any other option to play, there were only handful decent ots (without major bugs) running over the course of the year.

2. I would love to play 8.6 again don't get me wrong, but I think after 10 days of elfbot, tibia auto etc I would lose my mind and never log in again with all the scripts for anti-push, auto SSA, ring, auto push, combo bot, etc...

3. Owners want to profit as with everything these days, which I understand. All the games in the last 10 years turned from focusing on gameplay to maximizing profits. So it suits the owners when servers die every few weeks, they can shut it off and repeat the same process in a month, if they lasted longer they would actually have to keep improving and upgrading their product which they hate.

I feel 8.6 could work but with constant updates and things you can do without bot like dungeons, warzones, bosses etc, because if you only botting it gets boring really quick...

But I feel you, options in regard of tibia are really limited, you have:

1. Cipsoft tibia, that has nothing to do with those earlier versions of tibia, it's just a different game now. Yes it's fun at times, it had a lot of QOL changes and updates, but at its core its a boring game where most of the time you if you want to be relevant you have to do boring AOE teamhunts.

Yes there are ways to have fun, play ironman as someone said, or just make new char from 0 and have fun for few months-years by getting all the old milstones like level 100, 200, doing some old quests like poi, inq, etc. But its an easy game for sure with shop and unlimited cash.

2. Medivia, it differs from tibia quite a lot in graphic now, but you can download old packs. But it has the old tibia feel to it with decent and quailty upgrades don't dont focus on maximisng your exp with boring AOE hunts, but actually has decently fun quests, fractions, hard hunts and monsters and etc.. And now with the world with hotkeys there is a little bit of everything for everyone.

3. Tibiantis for complete hardcore gameplay and feel, for me its honestly boring in 2022.

4. Dura similar to Tibiantis but at least has some unique mechanics and events.

5. 8.0 server Kasteria, Realeara, Olders, etc --- Only fun if you play with a big team for war, or if you have like 10 of your friends so you can pk/war with smaller teams that also play there, outside of that it gets boring pretty quickly. Everything has been done for 100 of times now inluding getting level 100-200, poi, inq, etc..

6. You have fully custom serers like We Are Dragon, Midheim etc, if you want to test something new and unique.

7. Hot in the momment like tibiascape, soul of elysium right now, basically a old tibia server that borrows heavily from other games in a lot of elements but still in its core its tibia, they usually last several months, but small percentage of playerbase stick longer...



So there are options, but it all boils down on what you prefer. The fact is you can't go back to 2009-2012 and play shadowcores, helgot, etc, because it's just not possible.
 
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