About Anti-Trump people turning violent

[Flatlander]

You are absolutely trying to win an argument... You just said this in other words yourself

This was in response to me asking if you want to have a normal conversation with me, and you basically said "no, I wanna keep arguing".
But you're not trying to win, you say?

I just explained this,

(If anyone doesn't understand the difference between ideas and thoughts, read this).
But if you're just gonna pretend to be or actually be blind and useless then this "conversation" has to end.
I'm not interested in quoting shit over and over again because you're unable to read.
Good luck have fun wasting someone else's time (oh wouldn't it be sad if you actually considered that an accomplishment

...).

Again, you aren't trying to understand me at all.
Even if I used definitions wrong, you can understand what I am trying to say.

And when I say I am not trying to "win" an argument. What I mean is I know there is almost no way I can convince you that everything you think is wrong, and everything I think is right. What I want to know is WHY you think you are right.

But instead of actually having a discussion, you would rather do character assassination, throw out insults, and be petty.

I can see you either are not willing to actually have a reasoned discussion, or maybe you are simply incapable of having one.
Either way I am done wasting my time here. It would be one thing if we were actually getting somewhere, and responding to each other.

But what basically is happening is this.

1. I say "Hey I think Capitalism is better than Socialism, and this is why."
   
2. You say, "Hey fuckhead, you are an idiot, that wasn't socialism that was communism, capitalism makes criminals and murderers."
   
3. I respond. "I don't think that is a fair representation of capitalism, and I thought the Definition of Socialism is this ~gives definition from google~."
   
4. You respond. "Hey idiot, you are still here? I told you before you were an idiot, let me tell you again you are an idiot. Also idiot you never responded to anything I have ever typed, not a single word of it! idiot. Stop being such an idiot, you idiot."
   
5. I respond. "I will try to ignore the insults, and be more specific about responding to your points in an attempt to be fair and reasoned and maybe move this discussion forward."
   
6. You respond. "Hey idiot, idiot retard, do you not know word definitions!? Check the difference between ideas and thoughts. I already explained everything you tried to discuss, so I am not going to re-explain or try to go into detail so you can understand me, read the previous incoherent babble I produced earlier and if you can't understand why I think those things then you are an idiot, just as I thought. Point proven case closed you are stupid.
7. Now I am responding with, "Ok, even if I ignore all the name-calling and rudeness, this conversation is going nowhere so I am done."

That is basically the conversation between me and e.e. As you can see, I tried my hardest to respond to him, he is simply unwilling to be a reasonable human capable of any sort of productive conversation.
At least I can say I tried, but once again we have been shown some people are not only beyond reason, but beyond coherent discussion. I can only hope you are a troll and this isn't a real person.

 

[e.e]

Again, you aren't trying to understand me at all.

I was. It's not like I have infinite patience (and at this point it seems to me you're actually TRYING to deplete my patience, hoping that I'm gonna "get triggered" or something).
And I don't see any signs at all of you ever trying to understand me, quite the contrary, although you are not trolling as hard as stormtrooper, but that's a hopelessly low standard for a conversation partner.

Even if I used definitions wrong, you can understand what I am trying to say.

Yes, the problem is you didn't try to understand what my point was, and it doesn't seem that you're interested at all in understanding any of my points either.
Whether you're aware of it or not you do act very similarly to stormtrooper, just somewhat more maturely and somewhat less trollishly, but quite trollishly nonetheless.

What I want to know is WHY you think you are right.

No, you don't, that's the problem. I've explained several of my ideas, sometimes multiple times, and you've completely ignored those points/posts.
Then I asked you if you'd like to have a serious conversation and for once respond to MY ideas (rather than expecting me to only respond to your ideas and then responding to your response to my response of your ideas, etc), and instead of doing that you started complaining that I'm "being ridiculous" and "not trying to understand you" (PS: Snowflake alert) without even mentioning an example or explaining yourself, when in fact I've been trying to be at my best and most accommodating behavior up to this point; trying to broaden the conversation, trying to calm the arguing down, trying different approaches, and more, and all you've been doing is arguing for the sake of arguing (you even admitted it :lol: ) and ignoring all of my ideas.
And you know now what I mean by an idea now. Right? Or? :lol:

But instead of actually having a discussion, you would rather do character assassination, throw out insults, and be petty.

You're the one that brought up (unless it was stormtrooper) or decided talking about antifa with him in the middle of a conversation with me and talking about (paraphrasing) "leftist idiots only using irrational moral arguments" at the same time, mate.

But what basically is happening is this.

1. I say "Hey I think Capitalism is better than Socialism, and this is why."
   
2. You say, "Hey fuckhead, you are an idiot, that wasn't socialism that was communism, capitalism makes criminals and murderers."
   
3. I respond. "I don't think that is a fair representation of capitalism, and I thought the Definition of Socialism is this ~gives definition from google~."
   
4. You respond. "Hey idiot, you are still here? I told you before you were an idiot, let me tell you again you are an idiot. Also idiot you never responded to anything I have ever typed, not a single word of it! idiot. Stop being such an idiot, you idiot."
   
5. I respond. "I will try to ignore the insults, and be more specific about responding to your points in an attempt to be fair and reasoned and maybe move this discussion forward."
   
6. You respond. "Hey idiot, idiot retard, do you not know word definitions!? Check the difference between ideas and thoughts. I already explained everything you tried to discuss, so I am not going to re-explain or try to go into detail so you can understand me, read the previous incoherent babble I produced earlier and if you can't understand why I think those things then you are an idiot, just as I thought. Point proven case closed you are stupid.
7. Now I am responding with, "Ok, even if I ignore all the name-calling and rudeness, this conversation is going nowhere so I am done."

Entering Arashel-land for real

Can you quote me saying the word 'idiot' even a single time except for in this very sentence?

 

[victoriarish]

Goodness. The thread is just way too sensitive for me. I am better off away

 

[e.e]

^
That may be a good rule of thumb for discussions about politics and religion in general I think
But only one way to find out if you're right about that though, right?
Don't judge a book by a few violent pages?

 

[Peonso]

^
That may be a good rule of thumb for discussions about politics and religion in general I think
But only one way to find out if you're right about that though, right?
Don't judge a book by a few violent pages?

Impossible to know if you are right when discussing politics, things are too complex and people can only conjecture about effects from single actions. People tend to refuse to recognize correlations, ignore aspects and deny patterns. I tend to doubt myself sometimes, when I see people puking brainless nonsense and refusing to accept they are wrong even if clearly as water demonstrated their point is invalid, all I can do is project myself and think that in some degree I do the same.

 

[e.e]

Impossible to know if you are right when discussing politics, things are too complex and people can only conjecture about effects from single actions. People tend to refuse to recognize correlations, ignore aspects and deny patterns. I tend to doubt myself sometimes, when I see people puking brainless nonsense and refusing to accept they are wrong even if clearly as water demonstrated their point is invalid, all I can do is project myself and think is that in some degree I do the same.

Yeah. I can relate to your message.
Been spending some time now trying to figure out what I think and how to approach what you're saying/this topic.
I think this is what I'd like to say:
I think the only way to have perfectly reasonable or constructive conversations/discussions is by actually making sure that every participant either submits to a standard or is grouped with other participants who shares their own standard for that conversation/discussion/task.
Some people just want to argue for the sake of arguing, some wish to exchange ideas, teach, learn and co-operate, some seek to assert themselves, some seek to have their perspectives understood and respected, some see conversation and discussions just as another opportunity for power-games and domination (no rules, no standards, no limits), some explicitly seek conflict... and many more..
And many of these standards are highly incompatible.

#MakeConversationsGreatAgain

 

[Flatlander]

Yeah. I can relate to your message.
Been spending some time now trying to figure out what I think and how to approach what you're saying/this topic.
I think this is what I'd like to say:
I think the only way to have perfectly reasonable or constructive conversations/discussions is by actually making sure that every participant either submits to a standard or is grouped with other participants who shares their own standard for that conversation/discussion/task.
Some people just want to argue for the sake of arguing, some wish to exchange ideas, teach, learn and co-operate, some seek to assert themselves, some seek to have their perspectives understood and respected, some see conversation and discussions just as another opportunity for power-games and domination (no rules, no standards, no limits), some explicitly seek conflict... and many more..
And many of these standards are highly incompatible.

#MakeConversationsGreatAgain

I think another problem is people think in vastly different ways. And have different priorities.

 

[e.e]

I think another problem is people think in vastly different ways. And have different priorities.

Yeah, exactly

 

[victoriarish]

Yeah, exactly

Exactly my point. I feel like politics has almost the same emotional impact as religious topics.