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Primo: With all due respect, the idea that “knights have always dealt more damage than paladins” simply doesn’t align with the history of Global Tibia. From the very beginning, the paladin has been the vocation with the highest single-target ranged damage, especially when using bolts and crossbows.
The official CipSoft website, in many of its early descriptions, always portrayed paladins as a vocation with consistent and reliable ranged damage — and superior to knights, whose role has always focused on defense and tanking.
Secundo: A level 80 paladin with 90 distance fighting, using a crossbow and Enchanted Spear (Attack 35), could hit for up to 230–260 damage in a single shot.
This proves that the perks on your server do not properly affect paladins, something I’ve already noticed in various changes and tests.
Meanwhile, a level 80 elite knight with 90 axe fighting, using a Dragon Slayer (Attack 43), would barely reach 150–180 raw damage on monsters with average defense.
Additionally, paladins have always made great use of offensive runes like HMM and GFB, while knights only started to gain any meaningful offensive tool with the release of Exori (in version 8.0) — and later Exori Gran.
In other words, a paladin’s raw DPS has always been higher than a knight’s in the classic versions.
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Tertio: Maybe your reference comes from OT servers with modified formulas or questionable balance changes. On Global Tibia, whether in solo hunts or team hunts, paladins have always stood out for their damage, while knights were the shield, holding monsters in place.
It’s like comparing an archer to a tank — different roles, different performance.
Claiming that a knight hits harder is a complete misunderstanding of CipSoft’s original design.
Old forum posts and classic guides confirm that, even in version 7.4, bows and crossbows used by paladins would partially bypass enemy shielding, resulting in higher average damage than melee knights.
Classic example: bolts would reach 210–240 DPS against dragons, something that not even a paladin with 100+ distance on Darkrest can replicate today — which raises serious concerns about the accuracy of your server’s damage formulas.
CipSoft’s original game design made this very clear:
Paladins were made to deal high ranged damage.
Knights were made to be the wall that holds the monsters.
Therefore, in Global Tibia (version 7.4), paladins have always outperformed knights in DPS, especially when well-equipped with arbalests, bolts, and runes.
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And based on my experience — having played Tibia since version 7.4 — I can assure you: Elite Knights have never dealt more damage than Paladins, not on any server, and especially not on Global servers that follow the so-called Vanilla 7.4 you mention so often.
I believe the solution would be to make quests more accessible, so that paladins can obtain a better crossbow, especially considering that bards and knights have a wide variety of weapons that can be crafted or dropped from regular creatures, without the need to kill bosses or do high-end content.
Nowadays, even low-level players can get access to endgame-tier weapons, which paladins simply can’t.
So either be honest about what Vanilla 7.4 really was, or nerf those vocations to reflect their real damage output from that version — because they currently have a huge advantage in weapon access that paladins never had.
Seriously, what’s the logic behind a custom server where you’re a fully geared, high-level RP and a level 80 EK outdamages you? Is that what you guys call “balance”?
This server is amazing and the potential is unrivaled in the field. I highly recommend checking it out if you haven't already.
As per the formula. As others mentioned, based on 7.4 formula, EKs are indeed supposed to have higher raw dmg output. However, melee attacks have to go through the reduction that the defense on top of armor provides. So its important to note, that with the custom +skill attributes as well as +attack on weapon, the amount of actual damage output by melee classes scales more than you would assume based on raw damage output. For example:
Let's assume the EK/bard's max hit is 300, so average 150. The target has 27 armor and 45 defense, so the average dmg reduction should be around 63.
Therefore, the 150 - 63 = 87 - this is average damage the melee player deals to a monster in question (example is Hydra).
Now if you increase the max damage by 10% (max hit = 330), then the average hit is 165. So the average dmg on hydra is 165 - 63 = 102.
Now 102 is 17% more than 87, so by increasing the max hit by 10% the actual dmg dealt was increased by 17%.
The moral of the story is that the melee classes by having access to increase in baseline attack and skill as a result scale much more strongly than it would seem.
Now the melee classes on high level with high skills and reasonably amazing equipment (rare/epic anni weapon) currently can hit max dmg dealt (after being already reduced by defense and armor) at around 330 (as in the example on hydra). That's 165 damage dealt by melee autoattack on average.
We've recently launched a wiki to help both new and existing players easily access information about our server. This initial release includes detailed pages on items, monsters, and spells - with more content planned for the future.
This server is amazing and the potential is unrivaled in the field. I highly recommend checking it out if you haven't already.
As per the formula. As others mentioned, based on 7.4 formula, EKs are indeed supposed to have higher raw dmg output. However, melee attacks have to go through the reduction that the defense on top of armor provides. So its important to note, that with the custom +skill attributes as well as +attack on weapon, the amount of actual damage output by melee classes scales more than you would assume based on raw damage output. For example:
Let's assume the EK/bard's max hit is 300, so average 150. The target has 27 armor and 45 defense, so the average dmg reduction should be around 63.
Therefore, the 150 - 63 = 87 - this is average damage the melee player deals to a monster in question (example is Hydra).
Now if you increase the max damage by 10% (max hit = 330), then the average hit is 165. So the average dmg on hydra is 165 - 63 = 102.
Now 102 is 17% more than 87, so by increasing the max hit by 10% the actual dmg dealt was increased by 17%.
The moral of the story is that the melee classes by having access to increase in baseline attack and skill as a result scale much more strongly than it would seem.
Now the melee classes on high level with high skills and reasonably amazing equipment (rare/epic anni weapon) currently can hit max dmg dealt (after being already reduced by defense and armor) at around 330 (as in the example on hydra). That's 165 damage dealt by melee autoattack on average.
The only MMORPG server in history where a tank hits harder than a shooter. This isn’t just a joke it’s an insult to the entire logic of the game. That server’s dead and buried in shame.
Today, we have shutdown the old server Historia permanently. Due to it being unsustainable and having no players base. We decided to close it month ago, but today was the final day.
Thank you to all who were part of it, meanwhile this will open a door for new exciting things.
Taking this opportunity, you are very much invited to join our current active world Serpent, a low rate experience.
The only MMORPG server in history where a tank hits harder than a shooter. This isn’t just a joke it’s an insult to the entire logic of the game. That server’s dead and buried in shame.
Seems like you completely ignored the whole point about damage formula from actual 7.4, with actual examples, and just went on with the feelings you have towards that.
this server is the dopest dope ive ever smoked, that kind of smoke thats smooth but still makes you choke, 10/10 will play again and i recommend, this is where you wanna be before 7.4's end.
come here for a good time AND a long time
i came for a quick lay and ended up married with kids, i dont even shave my face pubs or my ball beard anymore.
Server isn't worth the time tbh, its dying faster and faster every day, extremely unbalanced for pvp so there will never be war here again, ruled by 1 team of nerds who have gotten all the epic quests and rarest items stockpiled on their side, there is no rune makers so almost impossible to hunt as a mage, all pallys had a huge advantage from start with massive amounts of free ammo. that you can no longer do. this will be their 3rd edition that failed. Not to mention they perma bann peoples accounts for shit talking in game chat.
Server isn't worth the time tbh, its dying faster and faster every day, extremely unbalanced for pvp so there will never be war here again, ruled by 1 team of nerds who have gotten all the epic quests and rarest items stockpiled on their side, there is no rune makers so almost impossible to hunt as a mage, all pallys had a huge advantage from start with massive amounts of free ammo. that you can no longer do. this will be their 3rd edition that failed. Not to mention they perma bann peoples accounts for shit talking in game chat.
everyone is on break, people's kids are home from school, its summer. People are getting married, people are going camping, vacations with kids etc. some people have real lives. you know? playerbase always picks up in the fall/winter when people stay inside more and their kids are busy studying for school, so they can play more.
Also you were not perma banned for "talking shit", you were banned for Racist comments and slurs, there is big difference between talking shit with people and being a racist.
Server isn't worth the time tbh, its dying faster and faster every day, extremely unbalanced for pvp so there will never be war here again, ruled by 1 team of nerds who have gotten all the epic quests and rarest items stockpiled on their side, there is no rune makers so almost impossible to hunt as a mage, all pallys had a huge advantage from start with massive amounts of free ammo. that you can no longer do. this will be their 3rd edition that failed. Not to mention they perma bann peoples accounts for shit talking in game chat.
aren't you the kid that was screaming racist comments and was banned for it? Everyone was speaking about you for maybe 5 minutes after.. We figured out that you have been banned from just about every single server you've ever played for being a well known racist, and telling people you would kill them in real life. Get a grip psychopath.
Also i do not see how you figure there is no runes, or rune makers... There has been a significant amount of runes available every day that i have logged in.
Where Darkrest lacks in runes isn't exactly runes itself but the market system in which runes can be sold. I believe Nekiro has stated that he is in the midst of addressing this issue to make sure all ammo stock will be available to place a buy offer and sell offer soon. Too bad you won't get to experience it... One of the most brilliant masterpieces created. If they continue on their journey Darkrests engine will surely pass Medivias. They are not far off at all. really excited to see what fall brings.
Last part to your statement, the Dev's have said that 70% of the content is yet to be figured out. Quests, Epic Items. Sounds like someone is just salty about their self inflicted experience.
I played the server from day 1, it died in the first month and ive played every iteration being the highest lvl knight in some of them. The devs drop the ball every time, the server is dead and not coming back trust me, also i was only talking shit, Racism isn't exempt from shit talking. Banning for statements in a game does not happen on games anymore if the gms cared about population they wouldn't be banning people for retard shit like that, RIP to the thousands of dollars you guys spent on the server glad i cashed out and made money when i did months ago
I played the server from day 1, it died in the first month and ive played every iteration being the highest lvl knight in some of them. The devs drop the ball every time, the server is dead and not coming back trust me, also i was only talking shit, Racism isn't exempt from shit talking. Banning for statements in a game does not happen on games anymore if the gms cared about population they wouldn't be banning people for retard shit like that, RIP to the thousands of dollars you guys spent on the server glad i cashed out and made money when i did months ago
It is clearly a personality deficiency that you are incapable of differentiating racism and banter. You are free and entitled to your opinion, but the staff not compromising their own moral compass for the likes of a child isn't really a drawback.
It is clearly a personality deficiency that you are incapable of differentiating racism and banter. You are free and entitled to your opinion, but the staff not compromising their own moral compass for the likes of a child isn't really a drawback.
whos a child? Dunno if you see my profile pic or not but im likely twice the size of you and you would not say that to my face, lets stick to saying things we would say to the other in person here little guy.
