Luciferianism, the new age religion.

[flaite1]

I hear everybody in the internet and even some friends talking about the survivor of the fittest and how we should base our conception of historical events on it. Now let me explain to you otlanders out there why is that conception luciferian. Lets analyze it and take as an example hitler's empire, by supporting that ideology you support hitler's ideology of murdering unnecesary humans (in he's point of view) such as mentally retardeds or sick people, so hitler had the power: he was stronger so he killed the weak ones; so in your mentallity he just did what nature does making a genocide a natural thing. By the way this is what luciferians think.
Now lets move to what i personally call this new age scientific atheist stereotype (lol), they do not beleive in god, moral values are subjective, and they'r perfect society would be an evolved society with the capacity to do incredible things regarding technological areas, this people also tend to beleive in natural selection and in the unexistance of soul's. Now, luciferian (and satanists) beleive in apostheosis wich is the merging of man into "gods", certainly this people goal in life is the achievment of all scientificall knowledge in order to be "all knowing" as the biblical god was supposed to be, they do not beleive in morals since they think they are repressive to our race development, they hate religions and tend to spread missinformation about them (just as atheists). They do not beleive in good an evil since those are human subjective concepts to explain aberrant behaviour.
So now, the message of this text is to say that atheism has been manipulated into a way to destroy religions, this modern atheism is a less extremist luciferianism. No i dont beleive all atheists are like this or have this ideals but a bast majority do, so this is for them to reflect on their beleives so they can atleast put morals ontop of scientific knowledge.

 

[Blood BlvD Ot]

Great lesson to be learned here.
I myself do not follow any religion that has been created by another man, this does not mean that I do not have a belief that there is not a higher being (as most would refer to as God). What I'm seeing from flaite1 is that he is pointing out the insanity and ignorance that is slowly(but gaining speed) creeping up on man kind. I'm not going to go much into dept on this thought because I'd be sitting here all night with vains bursting out of my temples lol. But I do recommend keeping the topic of this thread in mind to all of you reading up on this topic .

 

[flaite1]

Blood blvd ot thx dude, thats exactly the point, seriously, in youtube ive red comments of people (for example in a video of a puma attacking people) saying things like; those unbrained idiots deserve it, they should all get killed, and they'r not a minority, im seeing people saying things such as; all africans should get killed, they'r a waste of space... so humanity imo is nuts.

 

[Dastan]

People want to believe in god because, lets face it, life sucks, and in the saddest moments of our lifes will people always tend to pray to god (For example the people that r going to get executed~).
Also people that think that theyr godlike are just insane, show me one guy that thinks hes a god and il punch him in the face, make him bleed and show him that hes still human.

There will always be racism, hatred, fear and people that treat others or *lesser* people like garbage, thats just human.
Also hitler didnt wanted to kill all the jews, his main goal was to build a perfect society, killing all the jews and so on was just a sideeffect.

And u shouldnt even think about the comments on youtube, most of the people that make these comments r simply kids or dumb people so nevermind them.

And dan theres nothin creepin up on man kind, we were always like this and will always be, a destructive and cruel race, but thats also how we got the most advanced species on this planet.

 

[Blood BlvD Ot]

Mmm, that all may be true. But its thought n comments like that that still allow the destruction n whatever to advance.
People just tend to accept it for what it is, but actually the true definition of human/homosapian(however u spell that*) is man who thinks..
So really we're all just gettin un human like and turning into a virus to this planet and every living thing on it =|. So why not think of ways to
not keep on going this destructive path we're all on yah know?? lol
Just another opinion/addition to keep the thought and discussion of this topic going =].

 

[Slain]

IMO this is a dead religion that shouldn't even be coined as a religion. It's a bunch of bullshit your basing facts off youtube comments?? show us news articles, this extremist natural selection theory would take thousands and thousands of years so these people would not give a fuck about the future generation since they basically hate everyone.

Think about what I said then make an intelligent reply. (otland has been boring me lately)

 

[Dastan]

And what kind of reply do you want?
Ur right, thats it.

I actually dont get what this thread is about.

 

[flaite1]

IMO this is a dead religion that shouldn't even be coined as a religion. It's a bunch of bullshit your basing facts off youtube comments?? show us news articles, this extremist natural selection theory would take thousands and thousands of years so these people would not give a fuck about the future generation since they basically hate everyone.

Think about what I said then make an intelligent reply. (otland has been boring me lately)

The point of this thread is that in this society, moral values are being overtaken by a philosophy of our development as a specie, you might experience that in school for example, politics (in politicians acts reflecting this thinking), scientists, philosophers, etc. Obviously its a 3 sided coin (weird one huh) because then you have the ones that dont give a fuck using excuses such as: it has always happend in history, and the good ones who actually care about what evil does to this world...

 

[jimmey]

first of all, people say shit but people don't do shit, i love to make sick jokes just to see how people react but i'm not actually going to kill your first born child ^^ (and remember youtube.com is full of rubbish e.g the reptilian humanoids xdddd). <-- my point is, do not draw conclusions from the internet

you can't blame a lack of morals on a lack of "faith"... well you can but if you believe that then you're simply wrong morals are developed during our childhood (not just by our parents of course ^^)

lastly, it's about time we all stop believing in the tooth fairy and advance scientifically =)

 

[Zeelex]

Racism, Hatred, anger, survival of the fittest, envy... all come together in the human's biology.
We create societies, because by evolution we wouldnt survive on our own. For the same reason we feel love and compasion, tenderness and all that stuff. To protect each other.
However, every human (whoever says the contrary is lying) has felt envy, for example.
Why? Humans seek power, we seek to be better than the others as by evolution, he who is stronger will reproduce. Doesn't make all the sense it used to have around 5.000 B.C.
It doesn't make much sense that we still have our Appendix, our tonsils, and a 5th small finger on our foot either.
All what you said about hitler, is the AMERICAN point of view.
Ask the same to some German people, I bet the way he would refeer to hitler would be different.
Now, ask yourself why suddenly after 9/11 everyone hates Muslim people.
Hatred towards others spreads, and very easily

I still disagree on genocide. But believe me , I would exterminate a lot of Mother F#~kers around. I just don't tolerate stupidity.

I really can't believe that with the technology we have people still believe in religions & gods.
I am an atheist, because there is no scientifical nor a logical explanation to believe in gods or religions. Not because I want to spread my point of view, i don't give a damn if people follow me or not.
The soul... the soul is just the conception of the human concience. there is no soul, nor spirit. nothing, what you call "soul" is just your concience, the fact of knowing that you exist.
Why does people believe in souls & after life? Cause it's impossible to comprehend that you will dissapear once you die. you just can't imagine yourself NOT existing
Is it a coincidence that ALL RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD believe in some sort of AFTER LIFE?- No

Flaite1 - F#ck man, use your god damn head, "luciferians"... I just can't believe it.
Yeah internet is a great source of knowledge, but it's full of bullshit too.
stop believing CRAP, as all what you posted is almost pure crap dude.
Cheers

 

[Slain]

@Zeelex. There is a scientific explanation that Jesus did exist. Please do your homework before speaking, you misguided youth are so confident your right all the time just because you see one opinion. Thats called IGNORANCE.
I would upload a full powerpoint from my school stating that science and religion do coincide but fuck it you would just keep blabbing anyways.

People naturally have morals, I'm not worried about society turning to shit on us lol.

 

[Shinmaru]

@Zeelex. There is a scientific explanation that Jesus did exist. Please do your homework before speaking, you misguided youth are so confident your right all the time just because you see one opinion. Thats called IGNORANCE.
I would upload a full powerpoint from my school stating that science and religion do coincide but fuck it you would just keep blabbing anyways.

People naturally have morals, I'm not worried about society turning to shit on us lol.

Dude he is not questioning the fact whether Jesus existed or not, heck he hasn't even mentioned Jesus.
@OnTopic
Watch this, it helps everyone acquire and learn how to "Think".
[video=youtube;T69TOuqaqXI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI[/video]

 

[flaite1]

Racism, Hatred, anger, survival of the fittest, envy... all come together in the human's biology.
We create societies, because by evolution we wouldnt survive on our own. For the same reason we feel love and compasion, tenderness and all that stuff. To protect each other.
However, every human (whoever says the contrary is lying) has felt envy, for example.
Why? Humans seek power, we seek to be better than the others as by evolution, he who is stronger will reproduce. Doesn't make all the sense it used to have around 5.000 B.C.
It doesn't make much sense that we still have our Appendix, our tonsils, and a 5th small finger on our foot either.
All what you said about hitler, is the AMERICAN point of view.
Ask the same to some German people, I bet the way he would refeer to hitler would be different.
Now, ask yourself why suddenly after 9/11 everyone hates Muslim people.
Hatred towards others spreads, and very easily




I still disagree on genocide. But believe me , I would exterminate a lot of Mother F#~kers around. I just don't tolerate stupidity.

I really can't believe that with the technology we have people still believe in religions & gods.
I am an atheist, because there is no scientifical nor a logical explanation to believe in gods or religions. Not because I want to spread my point of view, i don't give a damn if people follow me or not.
The soul... the soul is just the conception of the human concience. there is no soul, nor spirit. nothing, what you call "soul" is just your concience, the fact of knowing that you exist.
Why does people believe in souls & after life? Cause it's impossible to comprehend that you will dissapear once you die. you just can't imagine yourself NOT existing
Is it a coincidence that ALL RELIGIONS IN THE WORLD believe in some sort of AFTER LIFE?- No

Flaite1 - F#ck man, use your god damn head, "luciferians"... I just can't believe it.
Yeah internet is a great source of knowledge, but it's full of bullshit too.
stop believing CRAP, as all what you posted is almost pure crap dude.
Cheers

Now, im really sick of this stupid arguments about human nature; we are mostly the result of what society indoctrinates us to think or to behave, but our natural state or atleast our most pure state in wich we posses inteligence is in our early childhood, look at kids; as the bible states: noone can enter heaven if they are not like one (or something like this lol) , they are pure and society has not killed they behaviour with stress, materialistic ideologies, anger etc. Theres the pure evidence that humans in their nature are not cruel, envious or anything, they are good in nature.
Man sincerely look at you, talking about me spreading crap while you talk about extermining people, see? you are already inhuman, thats exactly what i am talking about, the philosophy of extermining the enemy; and think of it; the enemy of a developed society is undeveloped people.. if we continue like this we are heading the wrong way.
And man there's thousands of cases of people invoking spirits, spirits moving objects, i beleive in spirits and i think there might be a "heaven", since there is a phenom called thelepathy in wich you can transmit thoughts intentionally meaning your mind contains the information in a non materian wave packages, religion with no research is fanatism thats why i know what the fuck i beleive. My logical explanation of a god is; if theres no god then theres no rule to do good and our life has no purpose, thats what feith is, beleiving that the acts of good might lead us to something better, yes its just a beleif; but its a novel one not a stupid one.

Also there is some scientificall evidence for the existance of an inteligence that created the universe you just need to research both sides.

 

[Dastan]

Theres no such thing as an evidence that something higher created the universe lol

Im a believing muslim, but only cause i dont wanna accept that this life is everything.
I dont want to believe that im going to work all my life just to dissappear one day.


I want to tell you a story, ive heard it only in german until now.



The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...



I hope that ur gonna understand the meaning of this story.


And please, stop acting like your a good person flaite.

 

[flaite1]

Want some proof of a creator, the cosmological constant that describes the expansion speed of the universe is fined tuned in a 1/100.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 for life to exists, and this is not the only constant necesary for the existance of life, theres more than 30 constants with similar reduced probabilities, scientists to discredit this talk about multiple universes, but thats not proven so the existance of god is 99.9999999999999999999999 against a 0.0000000000000000000000000000001.

 

[Shadowsong]

Well , I don't get what you're trying to say with massive spamming of numbers, but I'm pretty sure that this all is nonsense.
In your first post , you state that those kind of people try to negate and destroy religion, and you get few replies from people who seem to be [a]theists that by some kind state their opinion about religion, so you start to persuade about the existance of god.

I don't get this , I mean , we could talk and talk , argue and argue , but the stuff about religion is only our will and opinion based. Cause there is no proof that god exists, either that he doesnt. It's what we choose to believe. Afaik , God is stated to be omniscient , omnipresent and blablabla , but he's the GOOD guy , right?
If it was so , then why is there so much suffering in the world? [Incoming answer: because this all is a test for the afterlife..blabla - NO , this is your opinion] <--- my opinion about this is , because he doesn't exist.

So , you see, the sense of this thread is same as dividing with zero. Hope you get my point.

@Slain: Please, post the proof if you have, I believe there are people who'd like to see that.

Cheers!

 

[Zeelex]

@Flaite1 I just can say ... WOW.
"Children are by nature good" Of course Children are by nature "good" because they can't thikn properly, they can't rationate.
Dogs are good by nature too. WHY? because they don't think rationally , nor in an intelligent way.

The bible... Dude PLEASE. Have you read your own bible?
(Deuteronomy:22 13-21) A marriage shall only be considered valid if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.
Read it yourself.
OH, but of course that NOWDAYS is a metaphor. The funny thing is, the more techonology we develop, the more metaphors the bible has.
A book written 2.000 years ago. wow I should really believe in that! Seems like a good idea.
Religions, bible, the "heaven" you purpose, were all made by the roman empire, to CONTROL the people.
How do you stop thousands of people from creating a revolution? - By telling them that if they kill anyone or do not behave as good people, they will burn in hell forever and ever- And that there is an invisible, omnipresent, omnipowerfull being that has existed forever. watching them all night & day.
"Spread fear on hummanity, and you will gain controll of them"
Worked pretty well actually.
Nowdays we have technology, and we can realize that it's all pure BS. it's fun to see that in the past 20 years. (with the source of the internet) the atheist community has grown at around a 600-700% than what it used to be by around the 90's.
And if your god is so mercyfull, why is at least 20% of the world's population dying of starvation. why? because they believe in another religion?
But your god is mercyfull, and he knows the future too. so he himself planned to kill more than 1.000 people each day from starvation? Have you ever seen a more disgusting death than that? If your god existed, I would punch him in the damn face.
I'm glad that stupid people is around. I can take profit from them. As religion has , for the past 2.000 years.

However when it's about politics or religion. there's no point on arguing. very few will ever change their minds.

 

[Shinmaru]

@Flaite1 I just can say ... WOW.
"Children are by nature good" Of course Children are by nature "good" because they can't thikn properly, they can't rationate.
Dogs are good by nature too. WHY? because they don't think rationally , nor in an intelligent way.

The bible... Dude PLEASE. Have you read your own bible?
(Deuteronomy:22 13-21) A marriage shall only be considered valid if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.
Read it yourself.
OH, but of course that NOWDAYS is a metaphor. The funny thing is, the more techonology we develop, the more metaphors the bible has.
A book written 2.000 years ago. wow I should really believe in that! Seems like a good idea.
Religions, bible, the "heaven" you purpose, were all made by the roman empire, to CONTROL the people.
How do you stop thousands of people from creating a revolution? - By telling them that if they kill anyone or do not behave as good people, they will burn in hell forever and ever- And that there is an invisible, omnipresent, omnipowerfull being that has existed forever. watching them all night & day.
"Spread fear on hummanity, and you will gain controll of them"
Worked pretty well actually.
Nowdays we have technology, and we can realize that it's all pure BS. it's fun to see that in the past 20 years. (with the source of the internet) the atheist community has grown at around a 600-700% than what it used to be by around the 90's.
And if your god is so mercyfull, why is at least 20% of the world's population dying of starvation. why? because they believe in another religion?
But your god is mercyfull, and he knows the future too. so he himself planned to kill more than 1.000 people each day from starvation? Have you ever seen a more disgusting death than that? If your god existed, I would punch him in the damn face.
I'm glad that stupid people is around. I can take profit from them. As religion has , for the past 2.000 years.

However when it's about politics or religion. there's no point on arguing. very few will ever change their minds.

Religions, bible, the "heaven" you purpose, were all made by the roman empire, to CONTROL the people.

Sorry, but that's incorrect, the bible, (heaven and hell[basically was enforced by the Roman Empire]) where created by Hebrews, if you analyse their history you can see that they lived a life that was always dominated and conquered by the superior countries around them, they have always idolized the pagan Gods and various "Elders"(leaders) did not see this fitting and thus something like the bible was made, the content of the bible are basically words of "inspiration" made to rectify the peoples ways in general the bible is made only to for them not for us, then under the reign of Rome, the Romans adapted "Christianity"(There is legend behind why Rome adapted Christianity over their Greek gods.) and it has changed into what we know today.

I would keep going on but instead I'll see what else people have to say about all of this!

 

[flaite1]

@Flaite1 I just can say ... WOW.
"Children are by nature good" Of course Children are by nature "good" because they can't thikn properly, they can't rationate.
Dogs are good by nature too. WHY? because they don't think rationally , nor in an intelligent way.

The bible... Dude PLEASE. Have you read your own bible?
(Deuteronomy:22 13-21) A marriage shall only be considered valid if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.
Read it yourself.
OH, but of course that NOWDAYS is a metaphor. The funny thing is, the more techonology we develop, the more metaphors the bible has.
A book written 2.000 years ago. wow I should really believe in that! Seems like a good idea.
Religions, bible, the "heaven" you purpose, were all made by the roman empire, to CONTROL the people.
How do you stop thousands of people from creating a revolution? - By telling them that if they kill anyone or do not behave as good people, they will burn in hell forever and ever- And that there is an invisible, omnipresent, omnipowerfull being that has existed forever. watching them all night & day.
"Spread fear on hummanity, and you will gain controll of them"
Worked pretty well actually.
Nowdays we have technology, and we can realize that it's all pure BS. it's fun to see that in the past 20 years. (with the source of the internet) the atheist community has grown at around a 600-700% than what it used to be by around the 90's.
And if your god is so mercyfull, why is at least 20% of the world's population dying of starvation. why? because they believe in another religion?
But your god is mercyfull, and he knows the future too. so he himself planned to kill more than 1.000 people each day from starvation? Have you ever seen a more disgusting death than that? If your god existed, I would punch him in the damn face.
I'm glad that stupid people is around. I can take profit from them. As religion has , for the past 2.000 years.

However when it's about politics or religion. there's no point on arguing. very few will ever change their minds.

zeitgeist much?, man your philosophy is what leads people to wars, its the ignorance that supports starvation in poor countries, evil and a no religious/compassive actitude towards society is why these people are dying, politicians selfishness (who think exactly as you) people who just think of "living your life", are the ones with the guilt of all the starvation. Maybe 1 can't change the world, but im sure that if most people would think in doing good noone will go to war, the control of the authorities over people would dissapear, probably you are the type of person that will go to the military complex to kill human beings. Get it, the roman empire turned into catholic just because they couldn't control the quantity of christians out there, but they didn't wrote the bible to control, you can use technology to control; is technology bad? no, you can use economy to control; is it bad? no.
Take for example Buddism, an inmensly intelectual religion, they talk about our natural state, where our thoughts come from emptiness and our state of mind is peace, this masters who achieve the state of peace teach incredible knowledge that is now is even being approved by scientists, Imagine no bad thoughts an empty mind. We are born peacefull, we are killed by things such as school, bad parents, TV, societies behaviour etc... Now your getting into a field of debating against a milenary religion just because of your ignorant thoughts.
Its sad tho that people instead of trying to understand different postures discredit things without thinking in them, actually my comment full of digits makes more sense than you think and its a scientific theory appointing towards an inteligent designer...

 

[Zeelex]

There will be no religions in the future. Techonology will pwn them all.
I don't want to argue more with you, it's like talking to a dog.

(Si, tb soy de Chile.)