Movie piracy and the liking

[Zisly]

What do you think of piracy?
Do you think it's wrong even though it doesn't mean any people lose material possession when you download a movie for example? you just copy a file after all, leaving the original.

 

[Korrex]

To be honest. It's been integrated into our society so even though it's illegal and we all know that it's wrong, we tell ourselves that, everyone else is doing it so might aswell.

 

[Black Reaper]

To be honest. It's been integrated into our society so even though it's illegal and we all know that it's wrong, we tell ourselves that, everyone else is doing it so might aswell.

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[Zisly]

To be honest. It's been integrated into our society so even though it's illegal and we all know that it's wrong, we tell ourselves that, everyone else is doing it so might aswell.

We all know it's wrong? I've met numerous people that can't admit at all that it could be wrong, just because they aren't taking any material things, they're just taking a copy. This annoys me as hell.

I agree that society should adapt and find new ways to distribute their media instead of fighting something they just can't win.

 

[Scarlet Ayleid]

Pretty much all the stuff I pirate I wouldnt have gotten them in the first place, so the fact that I am pirating is in no way harming the developers

Even if I do like a game, I always pirate it before to see if I actually like the game, and then buy it, its something that has happened recently with Anno 2070, game's awesome and I thought it deserved to be bought, so I waited for a promotion on steam and got it 30% cheaper

 

[Deleted member 92788]

They get money from other people who buy it so I don't need to.

That's what people think when they download but the truth is when everyone thinks like that and just downloads the devs will go bankrupt and thus there will be no more games/movies/music/etc for us.

On another hand I couldn't care less I'll download something if I need it.

 

[Prest]

Piracy is piracy, not theft

I have 1 apple - thief takes apple - I don't have apple. Theft
I have 1 apple - thief makes a chemical and replicates apple - I still have apple.

 

[Korrex]

Piracy is piracy, not theft

I have 1 apple - thief takes apple - I don't have apple. Theft
I have 1 apple - thief makes a chemical and replicates apple - I still have apple.

But if you're a company you can't think in apples. They distribute material that they hold the copyright for.
Meaning that their source of income is the distribution of several copies of the material.
So lets say a movie costs 30$ to buy on DVD.
So for every unauthorized/illegal download of that DVD means that they lose 30$ and lets say 100 000 people download the movie, that's 3 000 000$ lost.
The value goes really high after a while meaning that it decreases the income of the company or even makes them go negative in the end.
Pirating a movie that isn't being sold anymore is understandable.
But pirating a brand new movie is plain theft.

I also pirate and I won't try to justify my actions.

 

[Zisly]

Piracy is piracy, not theft

I have 1 apple - thief takes apple - I don't have apple. Theft
I have 1 apple - thief makes a chemical and replicates apple - I still have apple.

No matter what it's called, it's wrong. Can't really stick to ancient thinking where everything was material, this is the 20th century.

But if you're a company you can't think in apples. They distribute material that they hold the copyright for.
Meaning that their source of income is the distribution of several copies of the material.
So lets say a movie costs 30$ to buy on DVD.
So for every unauthorized/illegal download of that DVD means that they lose 30$ and lets say 100 000 people download the movie, that's 3 000 000$ lost.
The value goes really high after a while meaning that it decreases the income of the company or even makes them go negative in the end.
Pirating a movie that isn't being sold anymore is understandable.
But pirating a brand new movie is plain theft.

I also pirate and I won't try to justify my actions.

Well, they'd lose 30$ a pop if people would actually have bought the movie if they weren't able to download it, which I doubt, they lose money but not as much as you're trying to get across.

 

[Korrex]

No matter what it's called, it's wrong. Can't really stick to ancient thinking where everything was material, this is the 20th century.



Well, they'd lose 30$ a pop if people would actually have bought the movie if they weren't able to download it, which I doubt, they lose money but not as much as you're trying to get across.

As I didn't have exact value I used rough estimates.

 

[Zisly]

As I didn't have exact value I used rough estimates.

The rough estimates are also way off. The problem with that argument is:
Let's say a guy is selling a new game he made for 80 bucks, it looks bad and people are extremely skeptic to it, very few people would buy this when the risk is big it's a pile of shit. Now, some guy actually does buy this. He makes a copy and makes it available for everyone. People who were a little interested but not willing to pay 80 bucks will now download this. Did he really lose 80 bucks in this scenario? assuming the guy would never have touched the game unless he got a free copy. Someone gets a copy of the game for free, which sucks but in the end the guy does not really lose anything expect the game if you look at it that way, if someone would have actually bought the game if it wasn't for the free copy then he would have lost a sale because of piracy, that's usually not the case though. Every download doesn't equal a lost sale, a sale is not something that would have been guaranteed if piracy didn't exist just because someone decided to grab a free copy of curiosity, like me with these stupid "meet the spartan" movies, I'd never pay for that shit but I still download them because I'm a little bit curious, not enough to pay, to see what they made this time. I know it's wrong but I've learned to live with it and if I one day get punished, I'll accept it, as long as it doesn't involve life sentence because that's pretty excessive, and not whine like a little kid grabbing onto "it was a copy". That's what annoys me, some people can not see it being wrong at all. Do what you do but at least stand for it.

The other side; there are people who are nice and decide to buy a retail copy of the game if it turns out it's good and enjoyable but I do not really believe there's a big number of people who actually do this, if they can get it for free they'll do so and that's it, most of us are cheap bastards and will find reasons to justify not paying, like; "they have millions already". I've bought shitloads of games, both new and used, as of lately I stick to buying used games, a lot cheaper and even nature friendly hhehehee, I've downloaded very few games actually. Movies I do not buy as often anymore, I have a bunch of dvds and had a crapload of VHS tapes. I'm today very selective with what I buy, I wish I could buy most of what I appreciated but that's not really possible with the crazy prices, so I stick to buying what I really appreciate. For me owning a physical movie/game has its charm, having them on the harddrive is just not the same thing.

 

[Snach]

@up yeah I think most pirates wouldn't buy the shit they download anyway, so the loss isn't that big. That's the case with me anyway
Also pirated stuff often has bad quality compared to original( no newest patches to games, bad audio/video on movies, can't play online ). and viruses

 

[Scarlet Ayleid]

The rough estimates are also way off. The problem with that argument is:
Let's say a guy is selling a new game he made for 80 bucks, it looks bad and people are extremely skeptic to it, very few people would buy this when the risk is big it's a pile of shit. Now, some guy actually does buy this. He makes a copy and makes it available for everyone. People who were a little interested but not willing to pay 80 bucks will now download this. Did he really lose 80 bucks in this scenario? assuming the guy would never had touched the game unless he got a free copy. Someone gets a copy of the game for free, which sucks but in the end the guy does not really lose anything expect the game if you look at it that way, if someone would have actually bought the game if it wasn't for the available free copy then he would have lost a sale because of piracy, that's usually not the case though. Every download doesn't equal a lost sale, a sale is not something that would have been guaranteed if piracy didn't exist just because someone decided to grab a free copy because of curiously, like me with these stupid "meet the spartan" movies, I'd never pay for that shit but I still download it because I'm a little bit curious, not enough to pay, to see what they made this time.

The other side; there are people who are nice and decide to buy a retail copy of the game if it turns out it's good and enjoyable but I do not really believe there's a big number of people who actually do this, if they can get it for free they'll do so and that's it, most of us are cheap bastards and will find reasons to justify not paying, like; "they have millions already". I've bought shitloads of games, both new and used, as of lately I stick to buying used games, a lot cheaper and even nature friendly hhehehee. Movies I do not buy as often anymore, I have a bunch of dvds and had a crapload of VHS tapes. I'm today very selective with what I buy but I do buy what I really appreciate. For me owning a owning a physical movie/game has its charm, having them on the harddrive is just not the same thing.

That's pretty much what I do, I'm curious about a game, but if I couldnt pirate it I wouldnt get it anyway, so they don't lose for me pirating it, and games that I actually like, I buy them(its what happened to Anno 2070 last month or something)

Also pirated stuff often has bad quality compared to original( no newest patches to games, bad audio/video on movies, can't play online ). and viruses

• That's not really the case anymore, granted that the no online happens in every game that the game checks their servers, but otherwise the games are perfect, sometimes better then the real ones because of all the crappy DRMs the developers make, lets say a game NEEDS to make an online login for u to play(there's no offline play), if your net is down or their servers are unavailable, then the official players are pretty much screwed, pirates on the other hand keep playing it like nothing happened
• Patches to pirate games are pretty easy and fast to appear, as soon as they come out, give 1 or 2 days tops and its out for pirates
• Bad audio/video, get better pirated files, the ones I get are always perfect
• virus, download from trusted pirates like RELOADED, Skidrow and Razor1911 and others I can't remember xD

 

[Korrex]

That's pretty much what I do, I'm curious about a game, but if I couldnt pirate it I wouldnt get it anyway, so they don't lose for me pirating it, and games that I actually like, I buy them(its what happened to Anno 2070 last month or something)

• That's not really the case anymore, granted that the no online happens in every game that the game checks their servers, but otherwise the games are perfect, sometimes better then the real ones because of all the crappy DRMs the developers make, lets say a game NEEDS to make an online login for u to play(there's no offline play), if your net is down or their servers are unavailable, then the official players are pretty much screwed, pirates on the other hand keep playing it like nothing happened
• Patches to pirate games are pretty easy and fast to appear, as soon as they come out, give 1 or 2 days tops and its out for pirates
• Bad audio/video, get better pirated files, the ones I get are always perfect
• virus, download from trusted pirates like RELOADED, Skidrow and Razor1911 and others I can't remember xD

• Online, use smartsteam and tungle.

 

[Amusement]

Also pirated stuff often has bad quality compared to original( no newest patches to games, bad audio/video on movies, can't play online ). and viruses

Though some are true not all are, Ever wanted to play Diablo 3 on single player? Now you can, skidrows released a server emulator ^^
Diablo 3 is a perfect example, alot of people "Including myself" never bought the game, purely because i had no interest with it being continusely online like that, it seemed annoying & with the amount of complaints i read about it on that subject i never bothered. Would never have bought the game in the first place & now that i have downloaded it & played half way in, am glad i never.

There has been multiple occasions where i have downloaded games & bought them after i figured i liked them, Fallout 3, Skyrim, Dragon Age 2

 

[Ghamie]

Though some are true not all are, Ever wanted to play Diablo 3 on single player? Now you can, skidrows released a server emulator ^^
Diablo 3 is a perfect example, alot of people "Including myself" never bought the game, purely because i had no interest with it being continusely online like that, it seemed annoying & with the amount of complaints i read about it on that subject i never bothered. Would never have bought the game in the first place & now that i have downloaded it & played half way in, am glad i never.

There has been multiple occasions where i have downloaded games & bought them after i figured i liked them, Fallout 3, Skyrim, Dragon Age 2

Having diablo as example is silly. Main aspects of the game can't be used, action house, coop and lately pvp. It won't ever work at pirated version, since it's only emulator

 

[Amusement]

Having diablo as example is silly. Main aspects of the game can't be used, action house, coop and lately pvp. It won't ever work at pirated version, since it's only emulator

I actually barely understood what you even said but am going to take a guess & then pretend while replying.

It's a Dungeon crawler, like it's previous games, it was meant to be played with afew friends going through dungeons not purely over the internet, PVP is irrelevant.
LAN partys much?

-Pirated also works, you can set it up through Hamachi lmao which means with the emulator you can now play it at home (Never disconnecting because blizzard servers go down) with friends only. Like how diablo use to be, no?

 

[Luffy]

Before I went to my friends (if they had what I wanted) and asked if they could make a copy on a new disc.
Now I download it...

 

[Ghamie]

I actually barely understood what you even said but am going to take a guess & then pretend while replying.

It's a Dungeon crawler, like it's previous games, it was meant to be played with afew friends going through dungeons not purely over the internet, PVP is irrelevant.
LAN partys much?

-Pirated also works, you can set it up through Hamachi lmao which means with the emulator you can now play it at home (Never disconnecting because blizzard servers go down) with friends only. Like how diablo use to be, no?

What makes pvp irrelevant? And action house is huge part of game, which can't be used within emulator.
And have you tried it playing via hamaching? Or just random guess

 

[Amusement]

What makes pvp irrelevant? And action house is huge part of game, which can't be used within emulator.
And have you tried it playing via hamaching? Or just random guess

Ofcourse PVP is irrelevant it was not Blizzards original intent while developing the game ( Which is why it was put in last, through a patch might i add, the game was also released a year late LMAO? ) it's a DUNGEON CRAWLER. Am also going to assume by "Action House" you mean "Auction House" you have terr... Auction house is also irrelevant as if you play by yourself the goal is to get items by yourself.
Like you did in previous diablo games? That was the point in playing, to find the best items, level your character, defeat the bosses.
Have you even played the previous ones or are you a newfag?

No i've tested, i've also played it with a friend, not a random guess.