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Servers with 'balanced vocation'. How do you define yourself as a good PvPer?

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What I find interesting looking through these differend kind of enforced servers is: how many server there is out there with so called "balanced vocations", what I then wonder is, how do you mean by balanced vocation?
Is it really balanced if one vocation, let's say sorcerer cannot solo the other while knight can solo you? I mean, isn't it better if all vocations had the ability to kill each other all by themselves without help from team? (Not Real Map Servers)

What bothers me is when PvP-enforced servers says they have balanced vocaiton but on the other hand, one vocation is the dominating.

I haven't played tibia for a long time and I just can't see how people seriously like 8.6 enforced servers, or other kind of real map where they say "Skills" matters. How do you have good pvp skills if you, and your whole team uses some kind of bot?The bot basicly does everything for you: it heals you, UE comboes instead for you, hunts for you and other kind of stuffs. Still, they call themselves good pvpers.

I tried one server called Ferana.net, my first 8.6 server since 8.3, I must say I was surprised how people actually could enjoy a server like that, it was just fill with botters.
I mean, I went hunting manually at ice drags, I saw prob. 8 people botting there, I tried to kill one of them (130 Sorcerer, I was 170 then) And couldn't kill him simply because of his auto-healing.
People dashed throughout the city using ue-combo script and killing people everywhere, how fun is that? And how good PvP is that? Do you people really enjoy these kind of servers?


So, my question is:

What is balanced vocations for you? and How do you define if one player is a good pvper?
 
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I'm not going to comment on the "balanced vocation" part, but I wanted to say that I, too, share your views on botters, and it just baffles me how nowadays 90% of the players play simply to bot. It's because of these idiots that there are so few good servers nowadays. Why would a developer waste his time making a good, custom server when they can simply make a 8.6 RL in 30 minutes and it will be filled with players? It's these "players" (ironic to call them players since they don't even play the game) that are killing Open Tibia. Overpowered donations are another huge issue, since players don't even need to bot with these, they can just pay and have the best possible items, no effort required.
 
It's hard to tell what perfectly balanced vocations are. But honestly, most of the time it is unbalanced due to either ED's para being way to heavy/weak, or MS's ue hitting like 500 @ ml 80 pvp (Check ShadowCores, unbalanced as fuck :P)
 
People are deluded on what balanced really is, they think giving a Knight more damage is "Balancing".. idiots.

There is no true balance in Tibia, it's just the way it is (& it mostly stems from the fact there is no LEVELcap & the spells/items stopping around level 65~, think about it, a level 50 should not be able to rightfully tank a level 100 but he can, CIP are making it better but only for Knights), one vocation will always be stronger than the other, but there has always been some sort of rock/paper/sissor thing going on, with some skill, well there was, then they made hotkeys & other pointless shit, notw it's just get abunch of mages and combo SD..

What i would consider true balance in PvP would be a Rock, Paper, Sissor type system, you know X can beat Y, Y can beat A, A can beat X, which i'd say works to some degree on games that have a levelcap & maybe also some sort of skill based system aswell.
Even still everyone considers/WANTS there vocation to be the legitshizznizle of all teh damages, so there will always be someone saying my vocation is under powered aka, "min3 Kina with 120000hpz dooez no damges pl0x gief damages".

& those types of servers suck btw, try something lower 7.4-7.6 it's alittle better, but unless it's custom client, not by much, & it's also the Era where knights really do NOT shine what's so ever, well they do but you wont be dealin teh damages, like you see now.
 
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Umbysot was the most balanced pvp server I had ever seen. Apart from that, I've never seen a balanced server.
 
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