[USA][7.4] Miracle 7.4 - Launch on May 28th

[Sanraiz]

u should think about open server with rates 0.5 (all features are good)
this project it's also good

 

[Rollern]

u should think about open server with rates 0.5 (all features are good)
this project it's also good

bruh, yesterday I saw a 60 ms hunting dragons with burst arrows, I don't think the rate is the problem it's something else

 

[Kapi-Ziom]

Miracle's client scan process running on your pc. Be careful using it, especially on private pc.

 

[JeiDi]

Miracle's client scan process running on your pc. Be careful using it, especially on private pc.

It scans processes and works as a keylogger as well, logging your keyboard and mouse inputs.

 

[Kapi-Ziom]

It scans processes and works as a keylogger as well, logging your keyboard and mouse inputs.

It also scan installed applications on your PC.

 

[draken1]

It scans processes and works as a keylogger as well, logging your keyboard and mouse inputs.

just like any anticheat these days, at least he doesn't hook NtUserGetAsyncKeyState deep in your ass like EAC

 

[JeiDi]

just like any anticheat these days, at least he doesn't hook NtUserGetAsyncKeyState deep in your ass like EAC

I’d rather entrust my keystrokes to large corporations like Epic Games than to P. D., who releases a production client with debugging information enabled.

Ultimately, it’s up to each individual to decide if they’re comfortable running a keylogger on their PC to play a game—no one can take that choice away from them. However, ensuring they’re informed about what they’re installing is important, so they understand the risks involved.

 

[draken1]

I’d rather entrust my keystrokes to large corporations like Epic Games than to P. D., who releases a production client with debugging information enabled.

Ultimately, it’s up to each individual to decide if they’re comfortable running a keylogger on their PC to play a game—no one can take that choice away from them. However, ensuring they’re informed about what they’re installing is important, so they understand the risks involved.

i get your point but we can only believe this is to protect the game enviroment and a way to catch cheaters

offtopic to @JeiDi : technically you shouldn't trust anything running on your pc that has way more privileges than yourself being admin/useracc
these kernel-mode anticheats are very dangerous tools after all, gaining almost unlimited (limited only by windows patchguard) privileges in terms of hacking (and most of them are developed by former known hackers/crackers like 'everdox' that developed rootkits[the most advanced viruses] GitHub - everdox/InfinityHook: Hook system calls, context switches, page faults and more. (https://github.com/everdox/InfinityHook) )

imagine they can drop a payload from their servers to single user without anyone noticing it, completely under the radar of antiviruses or windows defender
myself im usually dualbooting windows for gaming as i don't feel it right that any company or individual can see what im doing on my private pc, sometimes even when game is not running (i had KVM but these so called 'anticheats' are very strict and don't want you to know whats going on behind the scenes, so they will ban you just in case even if you are not cheating)

 

[Jinwo]

I’d rather entrust my keystrokes to large corporations like Epic Games than to P. D., who releases a production client with debugging information enabled.

Ultimately, it’s up to each individual to decide if they’re comfortable running a keylogger on their PC to play a game—no one can take that choice away from them. However, ensuring they’re informed about what they’re installing is important, so they understand the risks involved.

We know that you are trying to defame the server in some way, talking about keyloggers as if they were a hacker program that tries to obtain some information from the user with the intention of stealing some personal data. Why don't you spend your time and energy doing something productive instead of trying to defame the server from the beginning of the project? Maybe you'll earn more with that.

We treat the server as a company and we are responsible for anything we do.

As for the system for saving mouse and keyboard movements, we have already removed it from the client, since it was hardly ever being used/useful and we currently have several more effective methods against cheaters.

As for our anti-cheat system, only basic information about the tasklist processes is checked on the client side using libraries from the giant microsoft itself. If you try to read registry keys/drivers/modifying something from the user, the program is accused of being malicious, and we don't want that for our client.

 

[JeiDi]

We know that you are trying to defame the server in some way, talking about keyloggers as if they were a hacker program that tries to obtain some information from the user with the intention of stealing some personal data.

Intentions can't be read from the code you send to users, but code possibilities can be read. That's what I did. I have never said that you are stealing someone's credit card data or anything like that. I only informed Otland's audience that a keylogger is included in the client files; it's not a rumor, belief, supposition, or a guess - it's a fact that anyone can peek after downloading your client and unpacking it.

Why don't you spend your time and energy doing something productive instead of trying to defame the server from the beginning of the project?

I did my research as I am interested in anti-cheats. You said you have one, but unfortunately, I was ultimately disappointed after reading the code. So you are right, it was not really productive, but only because I believed that you really have anything interesting there.

Maybe you'll earn more with that.

I appreciate the advice, though I assure you, my productivity is quite rewarding as it is.

We treat the server as a company and we are responsible for anything we do.

So where's data from your keylogger sent and stored? Who is responsible for its security? Why a company would use stolen graphics (sprites)? Which external companies have access to it? We could hit you with many questions whose answers should be answered in your product's terms and conditions and privacy policy, which is not the case. Can we trust this sentence while you visibly try to bend the reality?

As for the system for saving mouse and keyboard movements, we have already removed it from the client, since it was hardly ever being used/useful and we currently have several more effective methods against cheaters.

As for our anti-cheat system, only basic information about the tasklist processes is checked on the client side using libraries from the giant microsoft itself. If you try to read registry keys/drivers/modifying something from the user, the program is accused of being malicious, and we don't want that for our client.

I'll check your new code later today then

 

[Jinwo]

I only informed Otland's audience that a keylogger is included in the client files

Please adjust your term, "was".

So where's data from your keylogger sent and stored?

Before, server sends input packets to cam file. In the cam file you display a layout of mouse and keyboards tracked, like this example

As i said this is not even useful, since bots simulates the keyboard inputs and you need to make workaround on the mouse code to work properly, since every client has its own config and different mouse positions. At all this kind of system is not even useful to detect most of cheaters.

Who is responsible for its security?

Every company is responsible for its own data, what's a obvious question?

Why a company would use stolen graphics (sprites)?

This kind of topic over and over again. If you are doing open tibia server, you are already violating copyrighting. The right question is, why can a company use cipsoft graphics and can't use other graphics?

Which external companies have access to it?

Besides us, only the host provider and players has access to its own cam files.

We could hit you with many questions whose answers should be answered in your product's terms and conditions and privacy policy, which is not the case. Can we trust this sentence while you visibly try to bend the reality?

Bend the reality? What are you talking about? Again trying to defame the server in many ways and I give you the same advice again, go do something useful for your life.

 

[JeiDi]

Bend the reality? What are you talking about? Again trying to defame the server in many ways and I give you the same advice again, go do something useful for your life.

If saying facts about the client defames the server, you should think about your practices- instead of being angry that someone exposes your practices to the public.

I won't answer other things, as you clearly didn't understand the rhetorical questions convention, and even when you took them seriously, you couldn't answer such easy ones like "who" or "why."

I'm wondering how long you would hide the fact that you include a keylogger in the client if that wasn't exposed here. I'll note here that even if it was removed, you sent a keylogger to players for over 8 months. It's way worse than what Marcus has done with potential screenshots sending (I've only heard about it)- and he has been canceled for that.

I don't confirm it was removed as I didn't bother downloading the potential viruses, as it requires me to open a sandbox environment, and it's a bit of time-wasting. Sorry, Otland.

 

[Malthael]

If saying facts about the client defames the server, you should think about your practices- instead of being angry that someone exposes your practices to the public.

I won't answer other things, as you clearly didn't understand the rhetorical questions convention, and even when you took them seriously, you couldn't answer such easy ones like "who" or "why."

I'm wondering how long you would hide the fact that you include a keylogger in the client if that wasn't exposed here. I'll note here that even if it was removed, you sent a keylogger to players for over 8 months. It's way worse than what Marcus has done with potential screenshots sending (I've only heard about it)- and he has been canceled for that.

I don't confirm it was removed as I didn't bother downloading the potential viruses, as it requires me to open a sandbox environment, and it's a bit of time-wasting. Sorry, Otland.

Just want to take the time to thank you for posting this, I thought about trying the server out but reading your post has most definitely thrown a wrench into that plan.

 

[Jinwo]

I'm wondering how long you would hide the fact that you include a keylogger in the client if that wasn't exposed here.

I'm sorry but we don't have any reasons to hide anything from anyone.

It's way worse than what Marcus has done with potential screenshots sending (I've only heard about it)- and he has been canceled for that.

You're just a hater spreading hate for nothing. Like I said, go find something to do. Excuse me, but I don't have time to argue with children anymore.

 

[damianek113092]

your tone comes across as if you were cought red handed stealing mars bars in grocery store and got embarrassed in front the customers. The client you refer to exhibits behavior as its a keylogger. There is no need to insult another individual by calling them a child; based on the exchanges between you and the other guy it appears that you are the one exhibiting emotionally charged responses like your lollipop been taken from you.

Regarding the term "Input Tracking," it would be more transparent to rephrase it as follows: "We record all actions performed on your PC while the client is in use." Such phrasing avoids technical jargon that may obscure the true implications of the message for regular players and Tibia users.

A critical question arises: if I enter my PayPal details into a browser while the client is running, would you have access to that information? If so, the functionality qualifies as a keylogger, as it records keyboard input across the entire system, not merely within the client.
To me your client is unsafe to use on personal Pcs, But most of us already came across used condoms like this, so we do use our secondary Pc's to play. I just feel sorry for people who used their rigs to download this "anti cheat client"

 

[Adposatnr]

my issue with this anti-bot client is that it was used as excuse for quite long to have little to none manual checks when gm update his anti-bot measures he do big mass bans which is nice

but if that system wont catch somebody they can survive month or two using mass mc thats huge if u consider majority of server sell everything they got for real money every few days

also you cant put pots on player doors, you cant remove items from doors so botters abuse it killing them in front of doors means nothing as they wont lose a single rune or food its super easy to make script in for example python which will completly bypass anti cheat

 

[Adposatnr]

 

[Jinwo]

your tone comes across as if you were cought red handed stealing mars bars in grocery store and got embarrassed in front the customers. The client you refer to exhibits behavior as its a keylogger. There is no need to insult another individual by calling them a child; based on the exchanges between you and the other guy it appears that you are the one exhibiting emotionally charged responses like your lollipop been taken from you.

Oh, daddy came to defend his baby? ;o

A critical question arises: if I enter my PayPal details into a browser while the client is running, would you have access to that information? If so, the functionality qualifies as a keylogger, as it records keyboard input across the entire system, not merely within the client.

No, this doesn't happen. only inputs from the client are sent to the cam file. If you type or do any other action outside the client it wasn't tracked. As i said, this feature was not even useful for us that why we removed it.

To me your client is unsafe to use on personal Pcs, But most of us already came across used condoms like this, so we do use our secondary Pc's to play. I just feel sorry for people who used their rigs to download this "anti cheat client"

You have your opinion, but it is just your opinion and it has no impact for us. Reading the basic information on tasklist is much less harmful than registering your account/password on any unreliable server or even using a bot. There is no need to feel sorry for our players, they are safe and currently having a lot of fun on miracle 7.4.

Post automatically merged: Jan 12, 2025

also you cant put pots on player doors, you cant remove items from doors so botters abuse it killing them in front of doors means nothing as they wont lose a single rune or food its super easy to make script in for example python which will completly bypass anti cheat

Python has been included to anti-bot detection.

 

[Adposatnr]

Python has been included to anti-bot detection.

power shell aswell? these two are most common i know theres probably more which if u block you simply make some ppl not able to skill or runemake while working

 

[JeiDi]

Guys blocked a coding language. RIP, Python developers. Is there a patch planned to ban C++ or Polish as well?