Why dont we make the servers accurate?

[Bahaha]

My intention is to point out some small problems with this community and its project leaders.

I have been in the background here for 7 years, since 2005. I dont really care for OT, but I enjoy messing around and configuring servers from time to time. I dont ever intend on releasing a server. Since I have come here there have been some big changes. While a lot of work has been put into everything source side, I notice that not one distribution even attempts to accurately mimic the monsters and spells from real tibia. I am amazed at how a community such as this can go 8+ years without even getting the basics of tibia added into the official files and popular distributions.

The community seems fragmented, with everyone doing their own thing. I dont have a problem with this per se, but I realize this attitude has really held all of the open tibia sites back.

Why is there such a lack of interest in creating accurate formulas, creating accurate drop lists, creating accurate ANYTHING? Nobody seems to care. I know that people dont like to "play tibia" in OT servers, but that excuse means nothing when you still use all of tibias monsters and spells. Be creative and make your own stuff, or for the love of god put some effort into at least figuring out tibias system instead of making a crappy copy that fails in most aspects. If you want to know why your servers are unpopular or failing, this should be one of the areas you need to look at.

Why do we have cryptic formulas like

setCombatFormula(combat, COMBAT_FORMULA_LEVELMAGIC, -1, -10, -1, -20, 5, 5, 1.4, 2.1)

in our spell folders, when a simple line like this does everything necessary and is more customizable to boot?

local min = -(20 + (level * 0.15 + maglevel * 1))

Why do almost all the monsters in "official" or "real" monster packs have ridiculous spells and drops?

I dont know what I want to get from this post. Maybe re-assurance that you guys arent crazy. I think this community seems to suffer from a serious case of over-thinking simple issues. If we spent 2 minutes testing a single spell in game, we could permanently add it to a database and say proudly "this is x, and this is true because it has been tested," and then all servers forward could use that information instead of remaking the formulas whenever somebody decides to, never actually making them accurate. It is so simple to do, and not very time consuming. On top of that there are hundreds, if not thousands of people who browse or are active here, and each of them can do parts which interest them.

This should be changed. A simple system would solve so many problems. Why arent we doing it?

 

[Denix]

Signed.

This would make it easier to understand how to configure spells!

 

[Bintzer]

Sorry Denix but it sounds like you completely missed the point. I agree with you Bahaha to an extent, but the fact is most of the serious developers are wanting to make their own formulas, monsters, and drops. Not trying to mimic Tibia exactly because what would be the point in that? The uniqueness is what makes Open Tibia what it is. But yeah, I do wonder how noone has done this yet...

 

[Animera]

i did that first on rl tibia creatures but now even that i customized

why?

new never-seen adventure
instead
same monster same spells
same map other server
other teleport

 

[Snach]

I don't mind monsters having different loot n shitz >.>
most time in rl map server u pk instead of lvling anyway

 

[Animera]

pking gets boring after a while too especially if u have donor set you see no happiness in loot at all, just kill for fun untill you get bored of it or get sick of the botters
and then i dont see stepping over to another server with same map same features but you have to relevel again to reach X level to get in war again
then a pure war server is way better with 1/1 or 2/2 with rl map and at least boosted up knights cuz they are for nothing in a war server

@denix read my tuto i've used another formula there check it!

and i would mind if they changed i remember the days at rl when a lvl 14 trys to solo a demon skeleton with wand of vortex trying to run and hop..
why? he is strong and cool so his exp and loot MIGHT be nice either (old days @ white flower temple)

nowdays at a evo serv for example level17 druid (still snakebite rod) + (pots or runes they got free at start + exori frigo) fast tp in to drags..

thats no fun more at all they start server they know exactlyhow to recognize it, and spams hotkey without thinking(maybe only staying diagonal for wave further no toughts just spams your fingers off! (even if it says your exhausted)

 

[Amusement]

Simple answer to that question, which is shocking no one even responded truthfully lol.

-No one has that bad an OCD problem(If they did, am sure they'd not be playing tibia), most don't care.

 

[Bahaha]

Is it OCD?

I mean, people have spent thousands of hours replicating tibia in just getting these sources together. Items are perfectly copied, some mechanics are perfectly copied. Hell even the manner that gold drops has been copied.

Why do you think people dont have OCD for doing this, yet would have it for doing something more important like making the monsters the same? I think it is laziness or ignorance rather than bringing OCD in.

 

[Amusement]

I'd call it OCD, what you want is perfection, when perfection is not needed.

The way things are now is fine, it works, aslong as it works & is fine, it doesn't need to be perfect. Something that works does not need fixed, you can't fix something that isn't broke.
What you mean on the spells being made less cryptic i can agree with, but having monster drops/monsters in general, exactly like real tibia, when it just doesn't really matter.
Putting in the time to fix something like that just isn't nessesary, though it would be fine to do & some people probably would want the exact values, no matter how small the difference, i doubt many want to go through the trouble..

Though am no stopping you, feel free too.

 

[Bahaha]

I can settle for less than perfection. I think we define "working" differently.

For example, in loot: having half the monsters at 100% chance of 100 max gold, even when in reality they can drop an average of 5-10 per kill. I dont call this working, I call it a sham and feel it should be fixed.
In monster attacks: having monsters cast spells at over 5x their normal rate, sometimes with wrong graphics, and often with the wrong damages. I dont call this working.
for player runes and spells: having them more than 30% off is not something I consider working.

As I said in my opening post I know that people dont want to "replicate tibia" in OT's but if you're using all of Tibias monsters, vocations, items and skills, you're damn well replicating tibia. Be original or do it well, otherwise you're wasting your time. I dont think people realize how terrible off most of the things I'm talking about actually are.

Show me a good monster pack and I will show you at least 40 monsters with many drops up to 20x off. If that isnt broken after 8 years working on this project I dont know what is.

The reason I have this attitude is exactly because of your last sentence. You doubt many people want to go to the trouble, but at the same time by not actually getting decent formulas we are forced to re-do the same crap over and over and over with different results and they are all bad. Why not just do it once?

 

[BeniS]

Well I find it funny how anti-real tibia server these communities are. When you look at other game replications such as World of Warcraft and Ragnarok etc you notice the main goal for the developers is to get the system work 100% like the original in order to play "free". Replicating Tibia is a little pointless however, when you could make a far more interesting and fun custom style server that no one will play unless you are extremely good at marketing and game hosting, best example I can think of is PokemonOnline (or PokeXgames now).

Also you must bare in mind there are a lot of great people out there working on things like accurate spells and monsters, etc and they should be recognized for their great contribution, the problem is that there are just so many other people that are what you call the "takers", who take take take all day long, then complain in the forum when they need something Not insulting these people, just think if you take something that someone else has kindly offered out to the community, then you should also do something for the community (what ever that may be).

 

[Shockah]

^ Sometimes even a thank you would suffice but most people these days don't even give that. This community is an accurate example of the world and how fucked up it is. The people who do nothing and take the easy option far outweighs the people who like to help and contribute.