Complaint Why is free speech dead?

[Phantom22]

Dear Phantom22,

You have received a warning at OtLand.

Reason:
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Offensive language

Watch your mouth, insults won't do anything good.
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Original Post:
http://otland.net/f15/why-free-spee...ad-165049/f251/what-happened...0/#post1590330
Are you that blind, neon came on here flaming us... and I responded to deflate his ego, sometimes I wonder about how people precieve things on the internet or whether they have any social graces what so ever. I said it once and I will say it again Im out i got too much work todo to sit and flame back and fourth, neons being jerk end of story anyone that can put someone down for asking for help is a bully in my eyes. Thats what these forums are for to help. just take it for what its worth I am sure neon is a good dude, but hes disgruntled and i would be too if i spent a year making a custom server and never got to see it reach full fruition because of a frank farmers release that basically saturated the open tibia community these are all true but whats also true is neons a dick and he shouldn't be putting anybody down. Life's too short to get caught up in the trolls so imma do it for the lawls and go back to work. see ya boys
Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
OtLand


Let's examine this thread very carefully and look at how many times neon insulted any person who was,
1. New to the forums
2. asked for help with scripts or any advice
3. Didnt think the way he did
4. Has/owns a RL map server

Now lets examine my warning. I clearly was rebutting against his post making a logical argument which is what his thread was "an argument thread about how much he basically hates all of otland and the open tibia community"

And then Xenios warns me and starts deleting posts including a newer member that seen the injustice in his moderating.

I am not looking for sympathy, just understanding. I have seen multiple released data-packs with databases and i have seen mods support this behavior, I really would like some answers why people can't speak there mind even in a constructive manner.

I also would like to request the warning be withdrawn because I feel it was not just. The entire warning screams hypocrisy.


Thank you.

 

[Xenios]

Your post, that you are speaking of is not deleted and the other posts were simply off-topic. The topic is about 'what happened about Open-Tibia' and can't you just discuss/talk without directly insulting a person with 'retard', 'dick' etc. It's also against the rules, if you haven't read them you can find them here: Rules

 

[Neon]

I did also get a warning... Why make such big deal of it?
But yeah I can agree with the free speech.

 

[Phantom22]

Because i got a warning for telling you to be nice? You open your thread with size 55 cuss words and I get a warning for calling you out on it in a really round about nice fashion that was carefully worded.

it makes absolutely no sense.

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Your post, that you are speaking of is not deleted and the other posts were simply off-topic. The topic is about 'what happened about Open-Tibia' and can't you just discuss/talk without directly insulting a person with 'retard', 'dick' etc. It's also against the rules, if you haven't read them you can find them here: Rules

What about the words fuck or asshole? because you can see them clearly in size 55 font on that thread.. dick however can be said on national television , why can't I use it to express my concerns for someones well being? I sneak one word of ill repute in there and i get a warning, seems silly to me.

 

[Evil Puncker]

hypocrisy

this is all that we have here you just need to deal with it, like I did, and yeah I agree with you to whatever you've said bad about Neon, I dislike him and you know why since it is the same reason as you I hope my post don't got deleted by Xenios neither I got a infraction by Xenios, but indeed, we don't have free speech here, I can't even say that my country is full of ***** that I got a warning from Xenios

 

[Xenios]

What about the words fuck or asshole? because you can see them clearly in size 55 font on that thread.. dick however can be said on national television , why can't I use it to express my concerns for someones well being? I sneak one word of ill repute in there and i get a warning, seems silly to me.

That isn't a direct insult to a person. And if it was, you should have reported it.

 

[Phantom22]

Why report something you can read yourself?

 

[Neon]

I think he means, if you were offended you should've reported it.

 

[Peroxide]

Rules

 

[Scarlet Ayleid]

You can say w/e you want, as long as you aren't being offensive towards other people

there's a difference in saying for example(this is a simple example and not to be taken as offensive!!):
"I hate brs becuz their all fags, gays and nubs that only come here to troll, rip, steal and fuck everything up with their op shitty donation d&r rl map servers"
"I dislike most brs I've seen so far because they generally don't act with decent courtesy, in fact they usually just come here and copy some scripts into their downloaded & run server to make money with overpowered donations without contributing to the OT community"

both these sentences say the same, one says it like a stupid noob, the other as a polite person, that's the difference between being offensive and free speech

 

[Santi]

Why report something you can read yourself?

Maybe because there are tons of threads per mod? They can't see everything, they have lifes you know.
@On: Just get over it, it's a forum ffs.

 

[Peroxide]

Now lets examine my warning. I clearly was rebutting against his post making a logical argument which is what his thread was "an argument thread about how much he basically hates all of otland and the open tibia community"

Just looking at this, IMO Neon has done a lot for the Open-Tibia community and especially for OtLand, if anything I think during his time he spent in the mapping sector he helped a lot of people (including me), imo he was trying to rescue open tibia by trying to put a stop to real tibia map servers.

I don't see how he could possibly hate open-tibia and OtLand. He just hates the way it has progressed.

 

[Phantom22]

Well im not renewing my premium when it runs out, im not gonna pay you guys to shut me down and shit all over me when im being insulted. I have basically never not been premium, this kinda thing changes a man.

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Just looking at this, IMO Neon has done a lot for the Open-Tibia community and especially for OtLand, if anything I think during his time he spent in the mapping sector he helped a lot of people (including me), imo he was trying to rescue open tibia by trying to put a stop to real tibia map servers.

So because superman saved 100's of lives would that amke it ok for him to kill somebody because all rights made one wrong right??? hypocrisy

 

[Evan]

Blame yourself, Phantom22.

 

[Xenios]

There's enough freedom of speech, I could even been more stricter and I would still follow the rules. People like Damon, Diath, GhostX, Shinmaru, walkingdragon, Evan, Carier, Karchii, Syntax, Unistyle, norse123, Eric Cartman, Sherice, macedoon who also posted in the same thread, and many more are able to do this without the direct insults

 

[Phantom22]

Ok now everyone that likes neon and all mods come gang up on me gogogo! come squash the little guy because my boots arent size 55

 

[Peroxide]

It's sad that you feel like we're ganging up on you just because of Neon, if that were the case he wouldn't have recieved a Warning.

So because superman saved 100's of lives would that amke it ok for him to kill somebody because all rights made one wrong right??? hypocrisy

lolwhut

 

[Santi]

Ok now everyone that likes neon and all mods come gang up on me gogogo! come squash the little guy because my boots arent size 55

Do you even read?

There's enough freedom of speech, hence I could even been more stricter. People like Damon, Diath, GhostX, Shinmaru, walkingdragon, Evan, Carier, Karchii, Syntax, Unistyle, norse123, Eric Cartman, Sherice, macedoon who also posted in the same thread, and many more are able to do this without the direct insults

 

[Phantom22]

There's enough freedom of speech, I could even been more stricter. People like Damon, Diath, GhostX, Shinmaru, walkingdragon, Evan, Carier, Karchii, Syntax, Unistyle, norse123, Eric Cartman, Sherice, macedoon who also posted in the same thread, and many more are able to do this without the direct insults

almost every person listed here likes every thread neon posts regardless of what it is, because they love neon even if hes an A-hole doesn't mean much coming from them

except diath he did stick up for one of my posts and agreed

 

[Scarlet Ayleid]

for cryin' out loud, we aren't ganging up on you -.-'

we are simply standing for what we think its right, you happen to disagree, fine by me, just agree to disagree and move on?
also, this whole thing started because Neon said "FUCK THE NEW OPEN-TIBIA KIDS!"? Please, are you really offended to read something people call each other on a daily basis all around the world nowadays?