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Different Atoms search electronic stability, every unicelular organism has it's DNA programmed so every organel in it can survive, every animal searches for food in order to survive and keep the chain going, humans do the same. Aparently, there is a reason behind every non living and living organism, it's not just physical laws working, i mean; even atoms struggle for their "lifes". It seems like every single aspect of this universe spells the world life in every single function. It's illogical to think these is a mere coincidence, every single particle shows inteligence, the particles that make atoms, the particles that make the particles that compose atoms, what's your opinion on this?
 
I know you are trying to implement some religious in to science, but, you can't the universe acts the way it does not by luck, not my some mythological being controling everything and putting it together, or maybe yes? But the things is that, in order to understand this, you need to understand your self, don't try to solve any outside questions, before you solve this question, to you what is life? Once You have found the meaning to it, then go for more strong questions

SORRY FOR MY WRITTING TODAY, I DON'T FEEL GOOD AT ALL!
 
So what exactly do you want us to discuss here?
I dont get it you prolly copypasted something off google and want us to discuss it but i dont know what we could talk about there.
Also your *I dont go with the flow* attitude is kind of annoying, authorities r there for a reason, same goes for the rules, your rebel behavior is not cool neither its entertaining its plain stupid.

And no, atoms have no intelligence, they do what they do because they have to, they cant think and have no free will and they will never do something else than what they r programmed for without influence from outside = no intelligence.
 
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Dastan said:
So what exactly do you want us to discuss here?
I dont get it you prolly copypasted something off google and want us to discuss it but i dont know what we could talk about there.
Also your *I dont go with the flow* attitude is kind of annoying, authorities r there for a reason, same goes for the rules, your rebel behavior is not cool neither its entertaining its plain stupid.

And no, atoms have no intelligence, they do what they do because they have to, they cant think and have no free will and they will never do something else than what they r programmed for without influence from outside = no intelligence.
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He just wants to think he's smarter than everyone.
 
@ Dastan They do not have intelligence, but, they sure make it.
But with the rest of the speech i do agree.

@ Topic, Atoms are really strange things, and when you go deeper into the microscopic cosmo, you will learn that they are even more strange, so, like the law of uncertainty says, you can never say something is "this way" simply because when you have information about a quantity, you loose information to a quantity related.(quantum mechanics<3)
 
Thomas Edison:

"I do not believe that matter is inert, acted upon by an outside force. To me it seems that every atom is possessed by a certain amount of primitive intelligence. Look at the thousands of ways in which atoms of hydrogen combine with those of other elements, forming the most diverse substances. Do you mean to say that they do this without intelligence? Atoms in harmonious and useful relation assume beautiful or interesting shapes and colours, or give forth a pleasant perfume, as if expressing their satisfaction gathered together in certain forms, the atoms constitute animals of the lower order. Finally they combine in man, who represents the total intelligence of all the atoms."

"But where does this intelligence come from originally?" (interviewer)

"From some power greater than ourselves," Edison answered.

"Do you believe, then, in an intelligent Creator, a personal God?"

"Certainly. The existence of such a God can, to my mind, be proved from chemistry."

Well im not trying to prove god in here but trying to point out that every single particle on this universe has somewhat of a purpose and that is to create life.
 
The only way I can believe something is real, is if you SHOW ME EVIDENCE, i will never impose something that its not proven, its good to thing out side of the box, but everything until know has been in favor of science, not religion, I am sorry if i offend people, and I am not saying that religion is wrong, well it is for the most part, but still, you guys need to accept reality as it is, why do atoms have to have intelligence? I get frustrated when people deny reality, the reality of all of this is"WE DON'T KNOW SHIT UNTIL ANYTHING IS PROVEN" and what has been proven over and over again????? PHYSICS, Philosophers may states billions upon billions of IDEAS, yetttttt none of them will be correct until each idea is proven, that is how our science got develop'd.

My apologies if i offend anyone.
 
Uhm Cdvoo it's not so easy... I believe in God, some researches may lead to depression or even suicide... just one example: Georg Cantor
 
flaite1 said:
Thomas Edison:

"I do not believe that matter is inert, acted upon by an outside force. To me it seems that every atom is possessed by a certain amount of primitive intelligence. Look at the thousands of ways in which atoms of hydrogen combine with those of other elements, forming the most diverse substances. Do you mean to say that they do this without intelligence? Atoms in harmonious and useful relation assume beautiful or interesting shapes and colours, or give forth a pleasant perfume, as if expressing their satisfaction gathered together in certain forms, the atoms constitute animals of the lower order. Finally they combine in man, who represents the total intelligence of all the atoms."

"But where does this intelligence come from originally?" (interviewer)

"From some power greater than ourselves," Edison answered.

"Do you believe, then, in an intelligent Creator, a personal God?"

"Certainly. The existence of such a God can, to my mind, be proved from chemistry."

Well im not trying to prove god in here but trying to point out that every single particle on this universe has somewhat of a purpose and that is to create life.
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You have still failed to provide valid external links to confirm this.

Cdvooo said:
The only way I can believe something is real, is if you SHOW ME EVIDENCE, i will never impose something that its not proven, its good to thing out side of the box, but everything until know has been in favor of science, not religion, I am sorry if i offend people, and I am not saying that religion is wrong, well it is for the most part, but still, you guys need to accept reality as it is, why do atoms have to have intelligence? I get frustrated when people deny reality, the reality of all of this is"WE DON'T KNOW SHIT UNTIL ANYTHING IS PROVEN" and what has been proven over and over again????? PHYSICS, Philosophers may states billions upon billions of IDEAS, yetttttt none of them will be correct until each idea is proven, that is how our science got develop'd.

My apologies if i offend anyone.
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@fracek91 Like I said, i need some evidence for everything, that why i don't postulate either that God Doesnt not Exist, because it hasn't been confirm yet, but i won't say that he does, for the fact that i don't see no evidence, that is the main purpose of agnosticism, we don't know, you don't know, until is proven.
 
Well, its kind of simple, there was a German Theoretical physicist called, Werner Heisenberg, who in some conference stated that nothing can be certain, then he proved it by making a theory out of it, this "uncertainty law" is the one that i derive most of my thoughts and statements, as the law says" If you have information of such quantity, you are obligated to loose other information about the same quantity", these is how in quantum mechanics they also derive the wave particle duality, which is somethnig really interesting.
Double Slit Experiment - The Strangeness Of Quantum Mechanics
 
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SlurpDerp said:
Yall postin' in a religious thread.

OP is too scared to post legit external links.
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There are no legit external links lmao
He just posted some random comments that famous people made a hundred years ago, so who cares? lol
 
Wait, The genetic code of cells generated evolution since DNA has instinctively programmed that each celular component must addapt and work in conjunction in order to survive, now... If the genetic code is what generates evolution? how did un-living components generated through natural processes a genetic code that commands evolution, how could a struggle for survivor genetic code could be generated without a genetic code generating it?
 
flaite1 said:
Wait, The genetic code of cells generated evolution since DNA has instinctively programmed that each celular component must addapt and work in conjunction in order to survive, now... If the genetic code is what generates evolution? how did un-living components generated through natural processes a genetic code that commands evolution, how could a struggle for survivor genetic code could be generated without a genetic code generating it?
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Yes!
Awsome question!


Well, everything has to start off some day (The Big Bang), the planet was a big burning mass back than, my guess is that the genetic code was already there (maybe it was brought here by a comet since back than have extremly many comets hit the planet), but thats just a thought.
Another question of the same kind would be, why is there so extremly much water on our planet? Where did it came from?
 
IMO The water came from the steam produce by the heating of certain mol. that is, molecules that loose their structure, i have a very primitive idea about all of this, but it is stilll and idea and not proven, but look at this,

What if we are in a point where the gravity of the sun affects even the formation of molecules? What if we are in this position where we, just by sheer luck, have atoms that got together, not by their electronegative attractions, nor sharing valance electrons, nore etc, but just by the gravitational atraction to each other, that we are in this brink point in the Suns gravitoelectric field that everything just formed for a reason, If you guys like me to get into details, i would most happily do so, but in PM, i do not like to say my ideas out like that to the public,

I kind of have the answers to those questions, its not as difficult as it seems. We just need to think more abstractly about everything that is all. xd
(other than the time i spend here, i spend studying about the main branches of science all the time so i kind of we can se know? What i am talking about :P)

BTW I'm a noob xD(don't listen to me is like 5 am and i just woke up lol!!!) <<<<< Stfu no one ask for your opinion (i argue like this all the time in my mind....) Can i be considered crazy? lmao
 
Yes you can be considered crazy, we all can, were all mad scientists hahaha.

And i wud love to get the PM :p
 
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