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Open tibia is a stolen software?

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This is basically just like the problem with Limewire. It was illegal to download music, yet people still downloaded it. Yeah, we were doing something wrong when downloading the illegal music, but the owners are still to blame as well, because if there wasn't a Limewire, or music distributors, there wouldn't be a way to download illegal music. It's the same thing with OT owners. It's illegal to use cips client to log-in to ots, but yet you're hosting an ot for people to log-in. So while other people are breaking the rules when logging into servers with cips client, you're giving them a reason to break the rules by hosting the server.


Also I never said emulators were illegal. Re-read my post.


You have a point. There still remains the issue that I never told the users to break the law. It is up to them to decide their own means of logging in.

Open Tibia programmers have put forth a lot of work in order to make Open Tibia possible (So you can make more stupid maps.). I think the idea is that we made the server, they can make a client to play it on.

It is their responsibility to provide their own access tool, wether it be YATC, or if they want to break the law and use the CIPsoft client be it on their own head.

The topic of this thread is "is open tibia stolen software" the answer is a big fat bold, italic, capital, underlined "NO".

As far as the topic which you have taken upon yourself to start. "Is it illegal to play open tibia servers with the CIPsoft client" the answer is (as none of us besides you can find the logic to deny) is a big fat "YES".

So, if I host my server and someone finds a way to break the law on it, should i go to jail, or be fined? NO

In the United States a man is responsible for his own actions. Since I host a legal project, I am in no violation of the law.

Please, stop making yourself look more and more pathetic. At this point im trying to help you, you look like a fool. You must abandon this logic, don't defend it. There is no shame in learning.

Finally: The reason no one really gets prosecuted for downloading copyright material is because we probably wouldn't have paid 30$ for it anyway. This is REALLY REALLY the logic the companies have.

Charging someone for something they are trying to steal is pointless. You would just fine them, they wouldn't pay it, they would get a warrant, gotta pay cops to chase them, then put them in jail, feed them provide medical treatment, and pay welfare to their family when they lose their job.

There is a principle behind EVERY rule. Using a small amount of (good) logic, you can see it.

Seems like youre the kinda guy that becomes a cop so he can push the rules even if the principle is being obeyed.
 
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Read the part about Canadian law, and that answer you have there does not include disabling uploading.
I don't live in Canada so I wouldn't care.
You have a point. There still remains the issue that I never told the users to break the law. It is up to them to decide their own means of logging in.

Open Tibia programmers have put forth a lot of work in order to make Open Tibia possible (So you can make more stupid maps.). I think the idea is that we made the server, they can make a client to play it on.

It is their responsibility to provide their own access tool, wether it be YATC, or if they want to break the law and use the CIPsoft client be it on their own head.

The topic of this thread is "is open tibia stolen software" the answer is a big fat bold, italic, capital, underlined "NO".

As far as the topic which you have taken upon yourself to start. "Is it illegal to play open tibia servers with the CIPsoft client" the answer is (as none of us besides you can find the logic to deny) is a big fat "YES".

So, if I host my server and someone finds a way to break the law on it, should i go to jail, or be fined? NO

In the United States a man is responsible for his own actions. Since I host a legal project, I am in no violation of the law.

Please, stop making yourself look more and more pathetic. At this point im trying to help you, you look like a fool. You must abandon this logic, don't defend it. There is no shame in learning.
Yeah, I look pathetic. Sure. All of what I'm saying is valid, but you all fail to realize what I'm speaking of.
 
I don't live in Canada so I wouldn't care.

Yeah, I look pathetic. Sure. All of what I'm saying is valid, but you all fail to realize what I'm speaking of.

If you had only understood it six posts ago we might not have had to go this far.
 
Same goes to you. All of what I told you was true. You still tried to prove me wrong.

See and here he is still defending this poor logic of his.

Just leave Collz alone, hes a fool who needs to have the last word.

You have actually said a number of things that are "wrong" Collz. Personally I thought the subject of this thread was "What is right" not: "Who is right".

Elvang, this is what we get for trying to reason with a wanna-be-black person.
 
See and here he is still defending this poor logic of his.

Just leave Collz alone, hes a fool who needs to have the last word.

You have actually said a number of things that are "wrong" Collz. Personally I thought the subject of this thread was "What is right" not: "Who is right".
Well, the matter of what me and Elvang were discussing is different to what you're discussing. I'm a fool? But yet you all still continue to argue with me and fuel my arguments. I'm not trying to have the last words, but to make my statement heard. You don't like it, stop discussing. My poor logic? What I've said was true. Using cipsofts client is illegal, downloading copyrighted material is illegal, distributing copyrighted material is illegal. Anything else?
 
Well, the matter of what me and Elvang were discussing is different to what you're discussing. I'm a fool? But yet you all still continue to argue with me and fuel my arguments. I'm not trying to have the last words, but to make my statement heard. You don't like it, stop discussing. My poor logic? What I've said was true. Using cipsofts client is illegal, downloading copyrighted material is illegal, distributing copyrighted material is illegal. Anything else?

And what part of this fits the topic "Is open tibia illegal software?"?

Lol, and now I'm responsible for your idiotic arguments? No thanks, I don't think I could live with such stupidity on my hands.

This is the problem with the internet these days, when someone searches google months from now for "open tibia stolen software" They're gonna pull up this idiotic thread where you're trying to make yourself feel big.

Here's the brass tax: You opened your mouth and said something dumb (in text).

Someone came and offered better answer to the question.

You argued that your point was better citing no references and offering no concrete evidence to prove such.

You continued arguing and arguing and arguing.

Abraham Lincoln said: "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt."
 
And what part of this fits the topic "Is open tibia illegal software?"?

Lol, and now I'm responsible for your idiotic arguments? No thanks, I don't think I could live with such stupidity on my hands.
Wow, you just said that I'm wrong but yet you change the subject to my argument not fitting the original topic. Idiotic arguments? You make them idiotic, like I said stop posting if you have a problem with my argument. When you discuss a topic your bound to go off-topic to try and validate your argument. Stupidity? What have I said that was stupid? The use of Cipsofts client for OTs are illegal? That's stupid? The redistribution of copyrighted material is illegal? That's stupid? Downloading copyrighted material is illegal? That's stupid? Keep on trying, I can post for days.

See and here he is still defending this poor logic of his.

Just leave Collz alone, hes a fool who needs to have the last word.

You have actually said a number of things that are "wrong" Collz. Personally I thought the subject of this thread was "What is right" not: "Who is right".

Elvang, this is what we get for trying to reason with a wanna-be-black person.
Wow you are a moron. How the hell am I trying to act black? You're the fool here. Please shoot yourself now.
 
This is basically just like the problem with Limewire. It was illegal to download music, yet people still downloaded it. Yeah, we were doing something wrong when downloading the illegal music, but the owners are still to blame as well, because if there wasn't a Limewire, or music distributors, there wouldn't be a way to download illegal music. It's the same thing with OT owners. It's illegal to use cips client to log-in to ots, but yet you're hosting an ot for people to log-in. So while other people are breaking the rules when logging into servers with cips client, you're giving them a reason to break the rules by hosting the server.


Also I never said emulators were illegal. Re-read my post.


This was the post that went off-topic. You started talking about limewire and trying to include it in the discussion, it is completely different and out of line.
 
This was the post that went off-topic. You started talking about limewire and trying to include it in the discussion, it is completely different and out of line.
I used that problem as an example.
 
An example that had nothing to do with original question.
An example of how an owner can be punished just as well as the users/followers of something. Just like the people who downloaded copyrighted material from Limewire got punished, so did the creators of Limewire. So just how the players of OTs are breaking the law or however you want to describe it, the owners of the OTs can be brought to blame as well. It fits the topic perfectly. You just fail to realize that.


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And how does this sound. Hosting an OT is not illegal, while playing one is?
 
Wow you are a moron. How the hell am I trying to act black? You're the fool here. Please shoot yourself now.

You have the word "Niggas" twice, once on avatar, once on signature.

Not to mention the idiotic Lil'Wayne quote.

BTW, I will never shoot myself, lol. My future is so bright. (Hate to bring it up here)

But I just got a letter from my college announcing my induction into the Honor Society! This is after my GPA stayed above 3.9 since I started college. (on a 4.0 scale)

GOD IM SO EXCITED I REALLY HAVE A FUTURE.

(Something I never thought I would say when I grew up getting my ass kicked by wanna-be gangsters, 5 at a time.)

IM SO SO SO HAPPY!

I never thought that a nerd from the ghetto could bring himself up like this! I didn't even finish high school!

OMFG GUYS, I might have a chance at being accepted to a doctoral program!!!!!!
 
An example of how an owner can be punished just as well as the users/followers of something. Just like the people who downloaded copyrighted material from Limewire got punished, so did the creators of Limewire. So just how the players of OTs are breaking the law or however you want to describe it, the owners of the OTs can be brought to blame as well. It fits the topic perfectly. You just fail to realize that.

The creators of limewire were not punished, they were court ordered to stop distributing their software due to the misuse of the limewire name by third party vendors. Do some research before posting.
 
You have the word "Niggas" twice, once on avatar, once on signature.

Not to mention the idiotic Lil'Wayne quote.

BTW, I will never shoot myself, lol. My future is so bright. (Hate to bring it up here)

But I just got a letter from my college announcing my induction into the Honor Society! This is after my GPA stayed above 3.9 since I started college. (on a 4.0 scale)

GOD IM SO EXCITED I REALLY HAVE A FUTURE.

(Something I never thought I would say when I grew up getting my ass kicked by wanna-be gangsters, 5 at a time.)

IM SO SO SO HAPPY!
The avatar was made by someone else. I found it online, and I thought it was pretty funny. My signature is a quote wow. I'm sure black people aren't the only ones who listen to Lil Wayne and use the word *****. So stop being an ignorant racist prick.
The creators of limewire were not punished, they were court ordered to stop distributing their software due to the misuse of the limewire name by third party vendors. Do some research before posting.
They were forced to stop distributing their software = punished.
 
Lol, I'm not racist, no black people listen to Lil'Wayne, only white people who want to be black.

It's not racist to say these things, maybe a bit generalist, but really, I dont care what color your skin is, an idiot is an idiot.
 
If that's the case Hitler would have been innocent since it was not him murdering the jews, it was his army... Try again.

That's a bad example to compare it to, but if it is easier for you to understand when using Hitler as an example the difference is that Hitler gave his army orders to murder jews. An OpenTibia server owner doesn't have to tell the players to use the Tibia client.
 
Lol, I'm not racist, no black people listen to Lil'Wayne, only white people who want to be black.

It's not racist to say these things, maybe a bit generalist, but really, I dont care what color your skin is, an idiot is an idiot.
But you fail to tell me what I'm saying is idiotic. You're the one that looks like a fool now. Please stop posting because you're ignorance isn't helping at all.
 
Ok,

1. Your example was idiotic. (Hitler thing, didnt really apply)
2. You deny that what users do on their own computer is their own responsibility.

Done.

I really don't care if i look like a fool, today, things are going my way :)

(Although, in all honesty, I really don't think my posts here could be construed as logically fallacious.)

I wonder how many of Collz 1600 posts are just as dumb as his previous posts in this thread.
 
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