Why are people so hung on "classic" servers?

[Breakdown]

You know what i mean, everyone and their mother always go on and on about how awesome classic tibia was.. how awesome 7.6 (or around there) was the best time.

Honestly i think it's silly.. CipSoft does what it can to keep the game alive, and that means updating on a visual and performance basis. I think people just say they like the old days better because they can't keep up with what the game itself.

Sure, i loved 7.6.. that was the time i got into Ot's and it was fun, but looking back now i can't imagine playing on a 7.6 server. Just cause the server i was on went down when 8.0 hit doesn't mean the updates suck..

So yeah.. purely discussion^_^

 

[Evan]

To be honest, it's the game mechanics back then that made it so great, no hotkeys, no ambient light.
It's not the sprites or any of the visual designs, these is all called nostalgia.
Nostalgia is a psychological factor, it makes you somewhat sad and wishful to go back into time, even though the current reality is much better.
For example, the sprite of the old dragon scale mail makes you somewhat feeling nostalgic, but the new look is MUCH better, it's just a cancerous psychology, it's messing with you.

All newer versions have newer features and newer sprites, this leaves a much wider range of opportunities in the game.
Put it this way, a 9.51 server can be exactly the same as a 7.6 server, while the 9.51 server has MUCH more addition features and sprites.
Don't want hotkeys in 9.51? Turn it off. Want different PVP system? Change it.

I agree with you in every way you explained it. The latest version of Tibia is better and will always be better.

 

[Karchii Oawaa]

yup because lvl 500's rolling around with unlimited cash is so much better than lvl 50-100's that hardly ever have more than 100k+

 

[Evan]

yup because lvl 500's rolling around with unlimited cash is so much better than lvl 50-100's that hardly ever have more than 100k+

Times change, you know that.
Everyone can't just be stopped at level 100.
Over time, you will keep progressing, reaching newer heights.
Also, the new quests and monsters, as well as hunting places has allowed people to level/make cash easier.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
What CipSoft needs to do is add more higher level content, at a point where it's not simple for level 300s.

 

[Beo]

yup because lvl 500's rolling around with unlimited cash is so much better than lvl 50-100's that hardly ever have more than 100k+

Are you scared of the future?
Sounds like it to me.

I used to be like this. Even though I loved 7.1-7.6 times, I wouldn't go play an otserv with that protocol.
Why? Because its dead. So what Tibianic has 500 players? It'll die soon.

Like fashion, its transformed over the years, and so will games etc.
Same concept.

E.G in the 1950s you wouldnt see anyone wearing Nike trainers.
Now you see them everywhere you look.

E.G in 2003 it was rare to see a level 100+ on Tibia
Now you see them everywhere you look.

The level 500's etc with ultra cash is the creator of bottings fault. Not Tibias. So if you got a problem with that, take it over to their forum, I'm sure they will care.


Cipsoft did not destroy Tibia.
Bots did.

 

[Ferrus]

how awesome 7.6 (or around there) was the best time.

In my opinion, 7.6 wasn't as good as the versions before.

CipSoft does what it can to keep the game alive, and that means updating on a visual

Tibia is not a game about graphics, but honestly, their visual updates is another reason why not to play it.

I think people just say they like the old days better because they can't keep up with what the game itself.

Keep up with what? The game became so dumb that people prefer programs to play their character rather than doing it on their own.

it's the game mechanics back then that made it so great

Bingo! But it wasn't only game mechanics. It was also economy, role playing (do you remember how much talk there was about spike sword on rookgaard? and how much time people invested in trying to solve it?), moreover tibia world wasn't so known. It was fun exploring it and learning new things about it. It was dangerous and fun at same time. Like when you entered a hole for a first time and there was a giant spider (the old scary graphic). Your pulse instantly went high sky

Nostalgia is a psychological factor, it makes you somewhat sad and wishful to go back into time, even though the current reality is much better. For example, the sprite of the old dragon scale mail makes you somewhat feeling nostalgic, but the new look is MUCH better, it's just a cancerous psychology, it's messing with you.

Bad example. Tibia never was about graphics and there were 3 versions of DSM, I liked the first one, the second sucked and third I like the most. Better example would be the abusing of game weakness. Luring, uh traps and similar. It caused great pain and a lot of complain, but nostalgic feeling still makes you want it back. Although I think such features were great.

Put it this way, a 9.51 server can be exactly the same as a 7.6 server

That's just a protocol, but this makes me:
- change lots of sprites in tibia.spr (I already did it once for 8.0 and it really takes ages)
- do numerous edits in tibia.dat
- redo items.otb
- changes in map (especially if version < 76)
- changes in source code (already did that and this takes much much longer then editing tibia.spr)
- changes in lua scripts

and at the end of day you are there with Tibia client bloated with some stupid features that only irritates you (soul, stamina and other shit).

The latest version of Tibia is better and will always be better.

Better in what?

 

[Karchii Oawaa]

Wow. Complete retards. It's all cipsoft's fault since they did not stop the botting from back when It started. Instead of CIP stopping bots, they made botters and non botters have exact same benefit, making hotkeys. Tibia 7.4 is clearly more funner, why do people strive getting wars in tibia 9.4332456533524 when in 7.4 if you wanted one you can get it, the other team cant do anything about it. The community now is better. Why were there 65k players back then and 15k players now? Cip are just making more money, so they dont care.

 

[Evan]

Wow. Complete retards. It's all cipsoft's fault since they did not stop the botting from back when It started. Instead of CIP stopping bots, they made botters and non botters have exact same benefit, making hotkeys. Tibia 7.4 is clearly more funner, why do people strive getting wars in tibia 9.4332456533524 when in 7.4 if you wanted one you can get it, the other team cant do anything about it. The community now is better. Why were there 65k players back then and 15k players now? Cip are just making more money, so they dont care.

Stopping bots is not going to happen. There are no MMORPG that don't have cheaters.
What CipSoft did was try to make botting "pointless".

Tibia 7.4 is not more fun, you can turn off hotkeys in 9.51, you obviously don't know jack.
Using the online count, pre and post 2007 is a very ridiculous arguement. There are many factors that results in a low online count.
Botting is one of the biggest, before the detection tool was implemented in 2009, we had approximately 45,000 and it was a steady number, now the detection tool is wiping out botters. Most of the botters are botting for money to sell for real life cash. If they can't bot anymore, then they quit the game. Another factor is the stamina. Account sharing is no longer any effective. So, having shared accounts not being online most of the 24 hour day, it can lower the online number. If there were no stamina system, everyone would have their characters logged in for 24 hours straight, this would probably break the 70,000+ online mark. The number of active players is either increasing or staying the same, it never was declining.

 

[Karchii Oawaa]

Brazilians ruined tibia and Polish people, no racism, but the statistics show that Brazilian and Polish people ruined Tibia. The economy on tibia used to be like PERFECT! Since 7.6+ tibia went WELL down hell! Back then, there was so much kindness, people would cooperate, back on 7.1 I think, Tibia was a real nation! There used to be people who would fight against the people who cause evil such as PA'ing and fight against things like that, wars did not mean like it meant today, 'I'm bored lets war since we all got 15kk+, we own everybody here, we dont let people do quests, we rule !!'. It meant you were fighting for things, such as freedom on a server! There was so much less random PKERS!

This itself was what made tibia special, the economy; but since Brazilians and Polish people were introduced they ruined the game !! Also not all of them, I have got loads of nice BR/PL friends! Just the majority!!

But Tibia could of stopped all of those botters too, they could of gotten 90 % of them gone. Why didn't they hire PAYED gamemasters to do something? 15 on each server would stop botting almost completely, they made so many worlds now that almost every one of them are empty too! If there was 20 game worlds, 15 on each server, I don't understand how there could be botters. A gamemaster could get 50 people checked and done in like an hour and a half. It's CIP's fault they did not choose to do this. Why? Because they don't want to make less money. So actually it's there fault not ours.

 

[Ferrus]

You can't say that one or another nation ruined Tibia. Botting was the root evil, and I'm pretty sure that there were botters from every country.

 

[Red]

I made a huge list of reasons Tibia declined on their proposal board a year or so ago. It was longer than a whole page of straight text. A few of those reasons were as follows:

- Tibia is a dumbed-down game. Tibia used to be difficult. The tougher the game, the better the community. Tibia's community is what made it great, you could sit around in Carlin all day and have a great time. Now-a-days it's all about the next level.
- They kept making it easier to level, making it more PG-oriented
- They kept updating premium stuff. When I started playing there wasn't a huge difference between premium accounts and free accounts, besides a few better areas. But you actually saw free account players playing. Now you're literally forced to buy a premium account.

Basically, their updates/content/improvements are all awesome. You could easily make a 9.51 server with the same 7.4-7.6-8.0 gameplay, but nostalgia is what gets people playing older versions.

Anyway, it's a good discussion. There's no 100% right answers, it's all opinion.
Red

 

[Karchii Oawaa]

I made a huge list of reasons Tibia declined on their proposal board a year or so ago. It was longer than a whole page of straight text. A few of those reasons were as follows:

- Tibia is a dumbed-down game. Tibia used to be difficult. The tougher the game, the better the community. Tibia's community is what made it great, you could sit around in Carlin all day and have a great time. Now-a-days it's all about the next level.
- They kept making it easier to level, making it more PG-oriented
- They kept updating premium stuff. When I started playing there wasn't a huge difference between premium accounts and free accounts, besides a few better areas. But you actually saw free account players playing. Now you're literally forced to buy a premium account.

Basically, their updates/content/improvements are all awesome. You could easily make a 9.51 server with the same 7.4-7.6-8.0 gameplay, but nostalgia is what gets people playing older versions.

Anyway, it's a good discussion. There's no 100% right answers, it's all opinion.
Red

haha yeah, i remember loads of free accounts etc and when runes were added to the shop, it made the community worse as it made people go more solo than with others since if u get what i mean

 

[Breakdown]

For everyone complaining about bots.. disagree or not but im sure if given the opportunity to bot you would. Right now you're complaining about higher ranked players.. obviously if you found an easy way out you would take it.

Look at it this way, why would i sit around for hours leveling, when some silly program can do it. And i'm not trying to upset anyone; but ask yourselves.. you HONESTLY played open-tibia and enjoy classic servers because it was a "harder game?".. if that's the case i dont understand why leave real tibia at all? Open tibia does nothing but make tibia easier..

The only reason i ever think about classic tibia is because i recall just sitting in a town talking to random people for hours at time.. and some of you are right. Back than getting the next level wasn't as important; but as times change, so do the type of players. Maybe their more into being at the top than making friends/socializing.

Simply said, id rather play a modern/updated version of an open-tibia server than a classic one.

This might be far-fetched.. but if tibia had a level cap i feel it would be a better game. Maybe not as competitive.. but it would probably build a better community. If you think about it, reaching a cap would be everyone goal.. so it doesn't matter how long you sit around talking to people.. you've eventually get it. Once you're at it, should be various things to make you play..

I mean, the top MMO which has a level cap only has 12 mill+ worldwide.. :$