Voice Chat System (VOIP) – Free for the Community

[Evil Mark]

I dont think you should of shared this because its ethically wrong. I would understand if he somehow scammed you but he didnt. He delivered a fully working system and you had an agreement.

Personally I would never use this because he put energy into creating it and only he has the right to determine wether or not to release it. What you did, even if its in the communitys interest. They should contact him to try to get a copy.

 

[Aizendazai]

I dont think you should of shared this because its ethically wrong. I would understand if he somehow scammed you but he didnt. He delivered a fully working system and you had an agreement.

Personally I would never use this because he put energy into creating it and only he has the right to determine wether or not to release it. What you did, even if its in the communitys interest. They should contact him to try to get a copy.

I can share the entire conversation between him and myself on Discord if needed. There were no agreements between us. I asked for the system, and he sold it to me. That is the end of it.

I understand you and CBlade (Shadow/Carcoo) are partners working together on Tibiabase, but since you started your sentence with “I think,” I will take it as your personal opinion, and that is perfectly fine. You are welcome.

 

[Evil Mark]

I can share the entire conversation between him and myself on Discord if needed. There were no agreements between us. I asked for the system, and he sold it to me. That is the end of it.

I understand you and CBlade (Shadow/Carcoo) are partners working together on Tibiabase, but since you started your sentence with “I think,” I will take it as your personal opinion, and that is perfectly fine. You are welcome.

This was the stupidest thing El Bringy aka Cblade has ever said.

We (me, neptuno and cblade) each saved a copy of the reversed skill function, but only mine worked correctly after I refined it. Cblade’s version was bugged, which I showed him, and he never used it.

I don’t understand why he claims to have done most of the reverse engineering inside my project, because he didn’t. I told him it was wrong to mislead people, as he clearly doesn’t grasp how much reverse engineering went into Tibiabase. It is the only OT server that truly mirrors CipSoft’s systems in every detail of monster and player interaction. Keep in mind, otserver not real engine.

He likely assumed Tibiabase just used CipSoft’s skill function. He doesn’t seem to realize the extensive work beyond that small feature or how his claims distort the public’s view.

People want a server like Tibiabase that accurately represents CipSoft. Thats why they get scammed on TVP packages that are like 15% accurate.

Anyway, that is in the past now. Neptuno and I have moved on to the real engine.

I called it unethical because no developer has ever leaked any of my work, and I have never leaked anyone else’s. It goes both ways.

 

[Error 502]

Have you considered creating a discussion thread to move all this spam related to the Carcoo topic?


The code had already been made publicly available by the same author since October 29, while this thread is from November 2.

Additionally, the code for TFS, API, and go should be fairly easy to develop using artificial intelligence, or do it manually (the heavy part is OTC[that is public])

this threads:


Github of cblade:


and this OTC code was released voluntarily by the author, 4~5 days before the publication of this thread.

if i focus only on code related to OTC public
I remember reading about the discussion regarding the use of Voice in OTC by Codina or Gesior ,very interesting

 

[azuusiek]

This thread is different because nothing illegal or stolen was shared. Everything was released openly with full credit and context. If it were truly a leak, I would have refunded the payment a long time ago, but that was never the case. The difference between a leak and a contribution is intent and transparency. I didn’t hide anything, I shared it for the community to learn and improve.

If anyone still wants to take this further, they can contact me directly at (***********). Instead of thanking me and Cblade = Carcoo/_Shadow/El Bringy for the effort, you’re complaining. Those yapping from the sidelines can go download the files themselves and don’t forget to give proper credits. Thanks!

Why do you share someone else phone number?

 

[Marko999x]

Weird
Community's crying because a module has been released that has been paid but at the same time they're using stolen modules at their server
Just move forward its a module and nothing more than that
Making drama for no reason as always

 

[Evil Mark]

Weird
Community's crying because a module has been released that has been paid but at the same time they're using stolen modules at their server
Just move forward its a module and nothing more than that
Making drama for no reason as always

Its not about a module though its about integrity.

I have all the reasons in the world to upload my TFS 1.4.2 distribution known as TVP under a public repository where issues and bugs can be fixed as a community. But I havent. Keep in mind that the author completely scammed me and lead me to believe lies while making this transaction but also kicked me off of the repository when I called him out on the inaccuracies. The community would more than likely help me fix bugs, have discussions and share findings.

Yet I still havent. Anyway this was just my personal opinion. Im not here to defend anyone specifically. Cblade also blocked me a few days ago during our argument when I said it was dumb of him to take credit for my server because he did almost nothing in comparison to the year of work i spent when we only spent a day of work in total combined. Its like I make an actionscript on Exoria and I announce I rebuilt his entire engine with him.

His help has been requested on DDoS anti measures, logs, teaching me reverse engineering tools but we also had a period where we helped each others projects by sharing bug findings as we both had same shitty base.

So at this point its kind of useless for me to continue arguing. I just wanted to make this point clear.

 

[azuusiek]

Weird
Community's crying because a module has been released that has been paid but at the same time they're using stolen modules at their server
Just move forward its a module and nothing more than that
Making drama for no reason as always

I don't know who uses stolen modules, but be proud of yourself if you do. And I don't know why you're using the word "drama." Basically, it was me, for example, expressing my opinion, and that's it. Further discussion, in my opinion, was pointless. Especially since I realized that the purpose of sharing wasn't to share, but to bash someone. xd
And I have a feeling you've probably already written this.
So why a second time?

 

[Marko999x]

I don't know who uses stolen modules, but be proud of yourself if you do.

Im not using any of the stolen modules.. But if I need too, I will
Using stolen modules is like using stolen sprites from tibia, no one cares

And I don't know why you're using the word "drama."

How would you call it then?
Looking at the thread I just see two sides fighting eachother because of a module&script

And I have a feeling you've probably already written this.
So why a second time?

Good question
Sometime it would be better to be quiet from my side but it is what it is
But to be honest: it's getting annonying seeing people crying about things like using other modules or scripts while they using stolen tibia sprites and using work from other people aswell?

The module is public now and you can't do anything about it anymore anyway
Imagine seeing everyday a new thread about a module that has been released
Otland would be fullllllllllllllllll with it
I wouldn't call @Aizendazai a "thief" for that

 

[Gesior.pl]

I wouldn't call @Aizendazai a "thief" for that

Did he steal files? Yes. He has no right to share these files without author permission.
Unless he has total control over these files - I sell different licenses for my code changes/modules. Buyer always knows, if it's just a copy of my code or if I made it 'just for your OTS' (often 5-10x price, so I WON'T sell it to other OTSes), so they can sell/share it.

Do I care? No. Anyone can share code I told them not to public and I can't do anything about it.

while they using stolen tibia sprites

If there were any stolen Tibia files, Cipsoft would sue every single OTS (IDK, if you missed OTS and open-source server history in 2005-2015).
They - Cipsoft - know, they cannot. Even WoW (World of Warcraft) - with 100x more players - failed in courts in Europe (after gaining 100kk $ from private WoW server in USA; that moved hosting to EU and won in court vs WoW): IF you post your 'game client' for free (freeware), you cannot sue 'owner' (OTS owner) for 'users' (players), which are using it with 'custom server' (different server setup ex. OTS - IPChanger).

It's 15-20 years since WoW court win in EU, but I would like to notice @Codinablack @Tofame that OTSes in 2005-2010 years did not use Tibia.dat ( BlackTek-Server/data/items/assets.dat at master · Black-Tek/BlackTek-Server (https://github.com/Black-Tek/BlackTek-Server/blob/master/data/items/assets.dat) ) - they used items.otb -, not only because of 'random item ID changes on RL tibia', but also to DO NOT USE any RL Tibia Client files, that are copyright protected.
If BTS server with copy of 10.98 Tibia.dat get popular, Cipsoft can easily sue you for using their files

 

[Marko999x]

If there were any stolen Tibia files, Cipsoft would sue every single OTS (IDK, if you missed OTS and open-source server history in 2005-2015).
They - Cipsoft - know, they cannot. Even WoW (World of Warcraft) - with 100x more players - failed in courts in Europe (after gaining 100kk $ from private WoW server in USA; that moved hosting to EU and won in court vs WoW): IF you post your 'game client' for free (freeware), you cannot sue 'owner' (OTS owner) for 'users' (players), which are using it with 'custom server' (different server setup ex. OTS - IPChanger).

Based on google they cannot sue owner for freeware as you said but as soon as they do money with it, they can
You got any source?(Link maybe?)

 

[Tofame]

Did he steal files? Yes. He has no right to share these files without author permission.
Unless he has total control over these files - I sell different licenses for my code changes/modules. Buyer always knows, if it's just a copy of my code or if I made it 'just for your OTS' (often 5-10x price, so I WON'T sell it to other OTSes), so they can sell/share it.

Do I care? No. Anyone can share code I told them not to public and I can't do anything about it.

If there were any stolen Tibia files, Cipsoft would sue every single OTS (IDK, if you missed OTS and open-source server history in 2005-2015).
They - Cipsoft - know, they cannot. Even WoW (World of Warcraft) - with 100x more players - failed in courts in Europe (after gaining 100kk $ from private WoW server in USA; that moved hosting to EU and won in court vs WoW): IF you post your 'game client' for free (freeware), you cannot sue 'owner' (OTS owner) for 'users' (players), which are using it with 'custom server' (different server setup ex. OTS - IPChanger).

It's 15-20 years since WoW court win in EU, but I would like to notice @Codinablack @Tofame that OTSes in 2005-2010 years did not use Tibia.dat ( BlackTek-Server/data/items/assets.dat at master · Black-Tek/BlackTek-Server (https://github.com/Black-Tek/BlackTek-Server/blob/master/data/items/assets.dat) ) - they used items.otb -, not only because of 'random item ID changes on RL tibia', but also to DO NOT USE any RL Tibia Client files, that are copyright protected.
If BTS server with copy of 10.98 Tibia.dat get popular, Cipsoft can easily sue you for using their files

how is items.otb exactly different? the data of otb is the same, its of no difference. Also, I dont use tibia.dat name, as what I've done is not Tibia.dat in the end. If anyone uses Tibia.dat with BlackTek server, the client will be glitched, which means my .dat is as different as .otb is. Actually, even more than .otb, since .otb fully allows all stuff to work...

Isn't canary the one in danger, since they use appearances.dat? isnt it copy paste from tibia?

 

[Codinablack]

Did he steal files? Yes. He has no right to share these files without author permission.
Unless he has total control over these files - I sell different licenses for my code changes/modules. Buyer always knows, if it's just a copy of my code or if I made it 'just for your OTS' (often 5-10x price, so I WON'T sell it to other OTSes), so they can sell/share it.

Do I care? No. Anyone can share code I told them not to public and I can't do anything about it.

If there were any stolen Tibia files, Cipsoft would sue every single OTS (IDK, if you missed OTS and open-source server history in 2005-2015).
They - Cipsoft - know, they cannot. Even WoW (World of Warcraft) - with 100x more players - failed in courts in Europe (after gaining 100kk $ from private WoW server in USA; that moved hosting to EU and won in court vs WoW): IF you post your 'game client' for free (freeware), you cannot sue 'owner' (OTS owner) for 'users' (players), which are using it with 'custom server' (different server setup ex. OTS - IPChanger).

It's 15-20 years since WoW court win in EU, but I would like to notice @Codinablack @Tofame that OTSes in 2005-2010 years did not use Tibia.dat ( BlackTek-Server/data/items/assets.dat at master · Black-Tek/BlackTek-Server (https://github.com/Black-Tek/BlackTek-Server/blob/master/data/items/assets.dat) ) - they used items.otb -, not only because of 'random item ID changes on RL tibia', but also to DO NOT USE any RL Tibia Client files, that are copyright protected.
If BTS server with copy of 10.98 Tibia.dat get popular, Cipsoft can easily sue you for using their files

We are not using tibia files... we have a custom made .dat file... the .dat file extension is not owned by cipsoft... the data inside it is only metadata, also not owned by cipsoft... and as tofame already pointed out, you can't even use tibia client with blacktek without taking OUR custom version of the metadata to use... and in fact, our .dat was not even generated based on any tibia files at all, it was created BASED on the otb...

So to reiterate...

No tibia name
No tibia assets
No tibia matching datasets
Generated by a file not owned or protected by cipsoft copyrights (the old items.otb)

so really, no tibia anything... but thanks a lot for changing an entire conversation that has nothing to do with me, blacktek or tofame, into a targetted, searchable, accusation towards us... so appreciated let me tell you...

If blacktek's files are infringing on copyright's then so is the items.otb on tfs repo, and most definitely is the appearances.dat on canary, please stop trying to single blacktek out with negative connotations, thanks!

 

[Evil Mark]

This thread is like politics today. The focus will switch onto something else whenever the heat gets too high.

 

[Aizendazai]

Did he steal files? Yes. He has no right to share these files without author permission.
Unless he has total control over these files - I sell different licenses for my code changes/modules. Buyer always knows, if it's just a copy of my code or if I made it 'just for your OTS' (often 5-10x price, so I WON'T sell it to other OTSes), so they can sell/share it.

Do I care? No. Anyone can share code I told them not to public and I can't do anything about it.

If there were any stolen Tibia files, Cipsoft would sue every single OTS (IDK, if you missed OTS and open-source server history in 2005-2015).
They - Cipsoft - know, they cannot. Even WoW (World of Warcraft) - with 100x more players - failed in courts in Europe (after gaining 100kk $ from private WoW server in USA; that moved hosting to EU and won in court vs WoW): IF you post your 'game client' for free (freeware), you cannot sue 'owner' (OTS owner) for 'users' (players), which are using it with 'custom server' (different server setup ex. OTS - IPChanger).

It's 15-20 years since WoW court win in EU, but I would like to notice @Codinablack @Tofame that OTSes in 2005-2010 years did not use Tibia.dat ( BlackTek-Server/data/items/assets.dat at master · Black-Tek/BlackTek-Server (https://github.com/Black-Tek/BlackTek-Server/blob/master/data/items/assets.dat) ) - they used items.otb -, not only because of 'random item ID changes on RL tibia', but also to DO NOT USE any RL Tibia Client files, that are copyright protected.
If BTS server with copy of 10.98 Tibia.dat get popular, Cipsoft can easily sue you for using their files

To be honest, the real concern here isn’t even what I shared anymore, even though it was meant as a contribution to the community with good intention. The more interesting point is what Gesior mentioned about BlackTek and (their use of .dat and .otb files). If what he said is true, then technically Blacktek might be standing on thinner ice than anyone else here. It’s kind of ironic that people are busy arguing about a harmless contribution, while a much bigger copyright issue might be sitting right under everyone’s nose.

 

[Evil Mark]

To be honest, the real concern here isn’t even what I shared anymore, even though it was meant as a contribution to the community with good intention. The more interesting point is what Gesior mentioned about BlackTek and (their use of .dat and .otb files). If what he said is true, then technically BlackTek might be standing on thinner ice than anyone else here. It’s kind of ironic that people are busy arguing about a harmless contribution, while a much bigger copyright issue might be sitting right under everyone’s nose.

You should still have made the contribution from your real account.

 

[Aizendazai]

This was the stupidest thing El Bringy aka Cblade has ever said.

We (me, neptuno and cblade) each saved a copy of the reversed skill function, but only mine worked correctly after I refined it. Cblade’s version was bugged, which I showed him, and he never used it.

I don’t understand why he claims to have done most of the reverse engineering inside my project, because he didn’t. I told him it was wrong to mislead people, as he clearly doesn’t grasp how much reverse engineering went into Tibiabase. It is the only OT server that truly mirrors CipSoft’s systems in every detail of monster and player interaction. Keep in mind, otserver not real engine.

He likely assumed Tibiabase just used CipSoft’s skill function. He doesn’t seem to realize the extensive work beyond that small feature or how his claims distort the public’s view.

People want a server like Tibiabase that accurately represents CipSoft. Thats why they get scammed on TVP packages that are like 15% accurate.

Anyway, that is in the past now. Neptuno and I have moved on to the real engine.

I called it unethical because no developer has ever leaked any of my work, and I have never leaked anyone else’s. It goes both ways.

Mark, you’re acting as if you’re the moral compass of the community, preaching about ethics while completely ignoring your own history. You partnered with CBlade aka (Carcoo/_Shadow/Algorithm/El Bringy), one of the most notorious scammers around, and now you’re trying to play saint? Please. You lost the right to talk about “ethics” the moment you worked side by side with someone who scammed half the community.

What I did wasn’t theft or malice, it was a contribution meant to help others, nothing more. You keep bringing up your “reverse engineering” as if that gives you authority over everyone, but the truth is, your words don’t carry much weight when your track record speaks otherwise.

 

[Tofame]

Ehh, actually pointless. Remove the leak though and stop deflecting.

 

[Aizendazai]

Ehh, actually pointless. Remove the leak though and stop deflecting.

Pointless? The only thing pointless here is your comment. This system was released for a reason, to help the community grow instead of keeping everything locked behind a few people who act like gatekeepers. Knowledge should be shared, not hoarded for ego or profit. If you can’t see the value in that, maybe you’re in the wrong community.

 

[Tofame]

In the past there were far more skilled devs in this community. They all got repulsed by what this has become and just left.
There is only leaks, stealing, leeching, shittalking.

What's more - paid stuff that has been spent hours on, while those hours couldve been put into something other than this community like idk overtime in a job, hobbies etc is only given back in a form of ridicule and leak.

The free stuff is always critized, commented that it couldve been done better or that its bugged etc. - the biggest example would be Nekiro downgrade, but there was a lot of more such cases.

Disgusting and repulsing behaviour, and you are one of the representants, of how bad this community has become.

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