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The waiting is killing me :( hyped with new vocs and changes
 

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I just realized I'm off work for 3 days after release, holy moly!
 

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@Xagul If they are not in the OTC already then could you add hotkey presets, would also be nice if it changed to the preset named after the character you are logged in with (same as on real Tibia).
Also auto trader feature would be nice now that trading will be back.
Hotkeys are saved per character on OTC already.
Trade channel was reworked years ago, where have you been?
 

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If he wants he can read full discord convo, not having the same convo here.
One big flaw in your answer here....... Xagul isn't in the discord.
I simply wanted you to elaborate why voc changes are a bad thing for Deathzot since I sincerely would like to read a serious and well thought out reason behind your opinion.
 

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So hard to decide a vocation with all the new ones.. There's gonna be some cool combos for sure
 

AsianPotato

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I know i said im gonna stop talking about vocation change on the discord but I decided to do a search on the forum about vocation changes: Search results for query: vocation change (https://otland.net/search/158275/?page=3&q=vocation+change&t=post&c[child_nodes]=1&c[nodes][0]=43&o=relevance)

Just go through each page and ctrl+f deathz.

Here's everything i found in those 10 pages related to voc changer:
Someone asked this:
also serious question dunno if its been asked before but will vocation changes be implemented this era? i hope not.
Synthetic replied:
You mean the ones you can donate 30$ and actually change your characters vocation? Then no, that was removed.
If you mean balance changes then of course there will be some (if need be)
I should grow up? If I recall correctly you begged for a vocation change after you were killed by Styx. This is exactly why there shouldn't be vocation changes. The vocations aren't balanced so people will keep switching to whatever vocations is best at that time.
LOL? i never begged for a vocation change you dumbass... and shawn knows that he just over exaggerated it, and you think i've donated to this shit server? you kidding me? Top Non Donater on this server.
I honestly don't like the idea of adding vocation changes. Some vocations are harder to level up than others therefore after reaching your desired level on an easier leveling vocation you could just switch.
I like a good amount of the items in the shop but.. One thing i just don't really agree with is the Vocation Scroll. I don't feel like you should allow players to all make many different vocations than just the 6. Some vocations will be better than others and its really hard to put all those...
why are you crying? grow the fuck up... seriously vocation changes aren't even that bad... i mean i could understand if they were like 5$ but i dont think hes gonna make them that low.... prob gonna be like $35-$50 to voc change
If you're not money hungry then why add vocation changes? People can already bot 24/7, they should be able to start from level 1 on a new vocation.

Idk what in the other guys post made him appear to be a child. Vocation change is bad and if it were to be added then it should have a limit of once per character and maybe obtainable through a in-game quest like 20k quest.
the entire server exept renegade is against vocation change... CONGRATS SIR... ignore the people +5 points for putting the servers community 1 step closer to quitting
This ones not exactly about voc changer but kinda related
Xagulz has stated multiple times that CURRENTLY you don't get anything when picking the same vocation twice. Whether or not this will change in the future I cannot say. but Xagulz has stated that the point of deathzot is to mix the vocations in unique and fun ways, not to super-stack 1 vocation.
I cant wait till someone comes up with a cool OP combo, kills everyone with it and all of a sudden 10 people with that voc show up. Which could happen previously with people remaking characters, but a voc changer is just too much.

Im sure if I do another search for "voc changer" etc more shit will come up. But I cba.
 

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@AsianPotato I am glad that you are passionate enough about the subject to actually go out of your way and search for what has been said in the past about this topic, and I do believe that you have a valid point. But I also think your point is pretty cynical.... Your entire argument against a vocation change is that you (or someone else) might find a strong combination of vocations and that everyone will follow suit. You don't want them to be able to do that because you want to keep it for yourself and a vocation change allows them to just copy you at the drop of a hat.

To that I ask you, what happens when you find a strong combo and you take it all the way to level 50k. I do a run through on balance and find your combo to be way too strong and I am forced to re-balance it. After the re-balance, you no longer like the vocation you are playing because it doesn't feel the same. Do you want to put in another 1,000 hours into re-rolling another character, or would you rather farm up some CC, trade for RT, grab a voc swap, and re-train your skills? If you have the time to dump into re-rolling another character and you would rather do that, good for you. I am betting most people do not.

I am asking A LOT from people by trying to make this era for manual play. Most people do not have infinite time to dump into a video game. Your selfish desire to be the only one with a specific vocation combo that you think is lolomgwtfop and unique to you is of no interest to me as an argument against something that I believe to be almost critical for what we are trying to achieve here. We are closing in on 35 vocations and while OTC users will receive 5x exp/loot, we are still looking at an extremely long road to 2nd rebirth. Expecting people to make that grind more than once would be insanely optimistic, no, ignorant and oblivious to reality.

I would be in full agreement with you if the voc change was as simple as pressing a button and having 2-3 new vocations but the reality is not that simple. Having all of your skills reset to 0 is a HUGE penalty whether you believe it to be or not, especially if we are talking 3 vocations worth of training. If this was a server where you just play for a week, get level 300, and pvp all day I would also agree with you, but it isn't. Deathzot is an extremely time consuming server because it was designed with bots in mind. Even with everything I have done for this era in an attempt to make it less of a shit grind, it still will not be enough to make 2nd rebirth realistic for the majority of players and if you don't believe me, just ask anyone who has actually reached 50k how long it took their bot running 24/7. After you do that, go ask Beil how long it takes to level once you do actually get your 3rd vocation.

This is only the beginning of the changes that are going to be required to make Deathzot even remotely fun to play manual. It is going to take some serious time and thought to counter the years of balancing around bots.
 

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Your entire argument against a vocation change is that you (or someone else) might find a strong combination of vocations and that everyone will follow suit. You don't want them to be able to do that because you want to keep it for yourself and a vocation change allows them to just copy you at the drop of a hat.
Well there's also the fact that you can make a PvE voc such as Illu Pyro get high enough lvl and then switch to something like Shadow/Barb. So essentially you 'skip' the bad early game of Shadow/Barb. For example if I make something like Shade/Pyro and get to 10k area where I start struggling I can simply switch my voc to something Tactician, farm up a bit then switch back later on (only if I can afford it).
If you don't see that as an issue then that's fine I guess. But at least consider potential alternatives such as for example increasing exp boost for being lower than the highest level or something that makes getting that level on the new char a lot less of a grind.
 

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Getting your voc nerfed feels shitty regardless of whether you have to reroll or not. What about if someone rerolls into an OP voc, that gets nerfed and its gonna feel shitty. There's alternatives to straight up voc changes like palm said which I think would suit this OT better than a straight up voc change, as vocs are a huge part of the OT such as buffing the level boost you get from being below the highest level(if thats even a thing still).

Me and my mate were talking about voc combos constantly after new era was announced (we were even talking about dzot before the era announced). Which might make it sound like we're no lifers, which we are but w.e. Now all we do is meme about the voc changer like, "oh ya idc you're gonna go x and x, you can just reroll anyway" and it kind of killed 50% of the hype we had for new era.

Like I said before though, the argument has two sides to it which are essentially 50/50 in terms of valid points and I was gonna end the talk there, but I got curious about you saying something amongst the lines "theres bound to be at least one person suggesting voc changer in the thread" and you were right, I found one person suggesting it and at least 5x that many people being against it, synthetic himself even removed it from the ot, maybe because it was buggy or some shit not because people hated it. Theres probably other keywords I can search for but like I said I cba.

It'd have been fine doing it when the ot came out but all adding it now does is cause arguments.

I'll still play and enjoy it, it's still the best OTS (fuck it, even MMORPG) out there but it's likely I'll end up quitting once I see 20% of the top highscores change to the flavor of the month voc. I'm glad you found the passion to work on dzot again and you've made a lot of good changes, was never expecting so many new vocs and changes.

You'll be able to add vocs changed to the cool stats you do at the end of each era I guess, maybe I'll see how wrong I am.
 
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Did I miss something? Voc change shouldn't be in the server imo, with catchup exp and x5 rate y'all should be just fine remaking characters.
I don't really like the idea of voc changes, but I do completely understand if there happens to be in the game this era. There are SO many vocations that it's insanely hard to decide on a certain combination of voc. However, I think that there should be some other in game negative effect of using a voc change.... like costing ingame gold based on your level + the Reward Tokens, or a restriction on how often you are allowed to voc change.
 
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