CipSoft - Real Tibia 7.4 NEW SERVER

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Will CipSoft ever start a new old-school Tibia server? What do you think?
 

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no, because they wont make money from it
 

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They're stance has always been an emphatic "NO". My guess is the top hierarchy is full of egomaniacs that will never admit the mistakes made in tibia's evolution
 

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maybe they will when they get more hungry for money
 

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They even said they don't have older versions archived, so impossible and will never ever happen.
 

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if they would really want it they could do it, but making oldschool server with tibia coins would be just dumb so they would have to make it premium only and that means a lot of people will never join leaving server dead and empty

but im with you, would love to see retro 7.4/7.6 real server
 

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They already said they wouldn't do that, because they wouldn't keep up with the paid items. would be two different updates.
And also the players have decreased but cipsoft revenue has only increased.
 

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Explain why you think they wouldn't make any money from a 7.4 server.
Because they wouldn't be able to:
-sell mounts
-sell runes and fluids and potion casks, and blessings in shop (probably due to community outrage, check out Medivias last drama with putting blessings in shop) , and this is the biggest factor
-sell anything else other than premium account

Besides i think such a project could be possible if cipsoft literally took their time and effort to rewrite&remake tibia 7.4 from scratch, but i don't believe the payoff for doing so would be that huge. They make more money from opening tournament worlds constantly.

Secondly, I know for a fact that every 7.4 player would love a cipsoft 7.4 server, they think that it'd be alive and running for ever because it comes from a company that literally made that version and every guy from old Tibia versions would play there, but they all see through nostalgia glassess - they forget that Tibia as a game is dying, the community is cancer - that there WILL be people bitching about everything when they lose their stuff and their will to play as a result, there will be people that demand new servers because they're hunted on the initial one, there'll be people that'll complain about "incorrect 7. 4 mechanics", when there's literally no player that can correctly provide such detailed information about every mechanic, because let's face it, we were all kids back then and now our knowledge is warped due to every OT having different mechanics, there would be venezuelan bot farms that would plague the servers and their economy and so on.

Thirdly, they'd have to release a multitude of updates to at least try to make their "revamped 7.4" interesting, because let's face it - vanilla 7.4 servers are boring as fuck with people permamently fighting for Demona with noobchars for a few hours every 2 days. They' d have to make sure that the custom content they release is up to the standards that servers like Medivia set years ago, otherwise people will just complain and complain. They'd have to worry about balance and solutions for many issues such as druid on 7.4 being a downgraded sorcerer, lack of midgame content, lack of lategame content, and so on. I believe they're so detached from the game that they wouldn't be able to overcome those problems in a creative and healthy way for the game.

While I completely agree that if we put in perspective the success of Oldschool Runescape and WoW classic and say that Tibia should follow, go back to its roots, to its golden times - I'd totally agree. But as you all can see it's not as easy as it seems and CipSoft has long lost their touch with the game, hence why I believe it won't ever happen.

Have a nice day fellas!
 
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Such server definitely could earn alot of cash, if it only was as easy as pressing "run". And that's probably what many people think.
But they very likely do not have sources of such old versions anymore. And even if they had, it's long time outdated, and they would end up rewriting it from scratch anyway. So from their perspective it's not worth the effort at this point already. And then, they'd also have to again deal with issues they once faced and failed to fix in a proper way. So why even assume it would be any different this time?
We may all wish for it, but for cipsoft it's a hundred times easier to not give a fuck, but just keep hosting their modern tibia with a full store etc.
 

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Such server definitely could earn alot of cash, if it only was as easy as pressing "run". And that's probably what many people think.
But they very likely do not have sources of such old versions anymore. And even if they had, it's long time outdated, and they would end up rewriting it from scratch anyway. So from their perspective it's not worth the effort at this point already. And then, they'd also have to again deal with issues they once faced and failed to fix in a proper way. So why even assume it would be any different this time?
We may all wish for it, but for cipsoft it's a hundred times easier to not give a fuck, but just keep hosting their modern tibia with a full store etc.
How would you earn more money with just premium account than with current tibia store?
 

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I nowhere said "more". If you ask, however, such servers could possibly bring many more people back to the game, than any of the current new servers, so that means way more premium accounts.
But it's only if we consider it as simple announce&run with no additional costs, which it is not, so the story ends anyway.
 

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Because they wouldn't be able to:
"-sell mounts"
Doesn't effect what 7.4 was, so yes, they could sell them.

-sell runes and fluids and potion casks, and blessings
Agree, but this isn't where the bulk of their profit comes from, this is only a boost during the start of a server, which wouldn't be a bother if they had it missing from a 7.4- you're also & I think a lot of people get this confused, it's not like releasing a 7.4 suddenly STOPs them from releasing new servers, like I don't know where that notion comes from but it's not like they couldn't do 7.4, and then ALSO afterwards release new servers as well as tournaments world.
The biggest loss would be training weapons- this is huge income for CIP, especially during double, but again we're talking about 1 server, not everyone is going to leave their server to play a 7.4, people will still purchase things on other servers, the notion that 7.4 is the DOOM of all other servers is the real fucking myth.

-sell anything else other than premium account
They can sell Mounts, Outfits and all the decorative items because none of these had absolutely any effect on the overall/grand scheme of how 7.4 was, or how it was played, it wouldn't be hard to take the +10 speed off of the mounts if people were to bitch over something like that.

Now this is getting off from the original point to who I originally directed my comment towards but we can deviate from that.
People have this weird notion that if they were to make 7.4, it'd have to be an authentic 1 to 1 replica, but it never would be- You realize how much people know now compared to then, how much the Wiki helps, how much knowing how to hunt & where to hunt helped? It was a struggle then because people just didn't know, that's no longer an issue- knowledge will break any perception of how you think 7.4 was & used to be.
It will take long to still make level 100, due to the rune creating system but don't think for a second that it'd take as long as it did before.
The majority of players also didn't have Premium, premium is not only borderline mandatory nowadays but people just have better access to purchasing for things online & are more receptive to doing so, this along changes how 7.4 was.

-Besides i think such a project could be possible if cipsoft literally took their time and effort to rewrite&remake tibia 7.4 from scratch, but i don't believe the payoff for doing so would be that huge.
They wouldn't need too rewrite it, use the new client, keep the analyzers etc, the biggest thing about 7.4 was the rune making & the rune aiming, everything else in my opinion could be re-balanced and added in, I see no reason why not as this is EXACTLY what Medivia and most OTs are currently doing, because stagnant 7.4 is just that, stagnant & thus boring. What people enjoyed was "HOW" it played, that's the fundamental difference that people are missing when they think 7.4, aiming runes- creating your runes, you'd never get a 1 to 1 authentic experience because everyone has premium nowdays, barely anyone had it back in the day, getting a 1 to 1 is an absolute pipe dream. Wiki alone changes things, people are older, they are more keen to not only understanding but taking in knowledge they receive, as well as searching for it- these are the real reasons why 7.4 wouldn't be the "SAME", but it's not why it couldn't still exist.

-That there WILL be people bitching about everything when they lose their stuff and their will to play as a result, there will be people that demand new servers because they're hunted on the initial one, there'll be people that'll complain about "incorrect 7. 4 mechanics".
Wouldn't matter because that's not who they'd be doing it for, there's bitching regardless of what people do, it's not really an argument for not doing something.

-venezuelan bot farms that would plague the servers and their economy and so on.
We'd have to hope that battleye does it's job, still not a reason not to do it.

-Thirdly, they'd have to release a multitude of updates to at least try to make their "revamped 7.4"
Most of the new content as I said, could be revamped for 7.4, there wouldn't even be much "change" required, and the investment would only even need to be necessary if the servers happened to be popular, so if they failed they'd have lost nothing more but the time investment on the initial revamp, they wouldn't need to add the whole of current Tibia, but instead in increments, see where things lead- This is how Runescape developers are currenctly doing it by the way, they're currently adding in new content all the time, and doing so based on player feedback, it's not like CIP couldn't do this..
I also personally feel the re-subs would most likely pay up as well as store purchases for outfits & mounts on these 7.4 servers as I bet you people would be advertising the crap out of it but this is just conjecture.. With what CIP makes it's really just a matter of- do they want to, not can they.

I think it gets a little be weird for them if people start & purchase things & then the whole thing ultimately becomes a huge failure, in that case what do you do with all the characters and TC invested? Would it be easy for a transfer? I doubt it, would a TC refund cover it? That's where the real issue is.

-But as you all can see it's not as easy as it seems
I disagree, I think you over thinking what would actually need to be done to make it a reality and are over complicating aspects that have simple solutions, you haven't convinced me at all.

-CipSoft has long lost their touch with the game, hence why I believe it won't ever happen.
This I agree with lol.

The biggest reason for not doing it is the team required & the initial time invested into creating it for a "maybe", but it's not like they haven't done this before & it's also not like they don't have the resource, check their income- they're making bank from Tibia.
I believe they can do it, runescape is a better example of the success possible than WoW is, as runescape in my opinion is a lot similar to Tibia than WoW.

Would they make money? I still think they would- The original post of "They wouldn't", is still a stupid fucking post.
 
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@Amusement

I never said that they wouldn't make money from it, what I said was that it would be far less profitable for them rather than, lets say, releasing a new tournament world. You don't include how much time and resources they'd have to use to release an acceptable 7.4 server before even thinking about their profits. While I agree, they could sell all the cosmetic stuff (as Medivia does), but as you yourself said they make the most money out of training weapons (which wouldn't be passable on a 7.4 ot for obvious reasons).


However, when I think of "cipsoft 7.4 server" of course I don't think about vanilla 7.4 cause its boring as fuck and limited. I just don't think that Cipsoft as they are now could release a coherent update for their 7.4 servers without breaking the delicate balance the game had back then, since, as you admitted yourself they have lost their touch with the game.


OSRS is different because the players get to decide what content gets added by voting from poll booths present in the game, and the content is often presented in dev blogs. Devs do stuff for players, and players appreciate it, because Jagex isn't as retarded in their approach to players as Cipsoft is and they can admit to mistakes and fix them.

I just don't think that Cipsoft will ever do such a thing since they distanced themselves from their own playerbase and wouldn't ever let them decide what content to add, instead they'd rather shove it in our faces. They won't ever admit that the golden version should return, even if community wants it badly. That's why I genuinely believe that if cipsoft 7.4 ever came to be, it would never surpass any other prominent 7. 4 OT. But it won't ever happen.
 

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I never said that they wouldn't make money from it, what I said was that it would be far less profitable for them rather than, lets say, releasing a new tournament world. You don't include how much time and resources they'd have to use to release an acceptable 7.4 server before even thinking about their profits. While I agree, they could sell all the cosmetic stuff (as Medivia does), but as you yourself said they make the most money out of training weapons (which wouldn't be passable on a 7.4 ot for obvious reasons).
No you didn't but it was what I was originally commenting on, that said even if it was far less profitable- that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't worth it as long as it's still profitable.

I don't disagree with anything else you wrote- other than I do believe it would surpass any prominent 7.4 OT, just purely for the soul reason I myself don't play many OTs- In a years time I know it'll likely still be there.
 

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@Recreant I waiting for a 7.4 to farm all year, and destroy the cipsoft economy, why? because im Venezuelan guy. ;)
 

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i mean blizzard said they would never do wow classic and now look it has more players than regular wow

dont give up on your dreams
 
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