If you won't elaborate then you shouldn't really be saying anything at all then, same goes for asking me to search for my own evidence. You can't make claims and then ask people to research them, that's your job since you're making the claim. Don't make claims if you aren't going to back them up.
If you don't want people to rely on "some random guy on the internet" then you should stop being that guy and stop making statements "on the internet".
What? I gave you a good reason why I won't ^^
You have to understand that making specific claims and not backing them up with references is stupid in general and on a website with the same owner... yeah...
So I don't go into specifics in public. You are right, I shouldn't make any claims at all then. But do I need to list sources for why right now cuddling with 50 random people might not be the best idea? Or will you just take it and look up yourself why? Then again, maybe you will attack me on this and just do it.
Also, I simply don't want to put in the effort. I'm sorry but my life is not OTLand ^^
As for "some random guy on the internet". I put myself in the argument to show that I am not excluding myself. You should always do your own research and use your brain. You act as if it was my job to do this for you. To be fair, we gotta be careful as
@Night Wolf said. But then again if you do your research right wrong information should not convince you.
many people in OT community live in third world contries, most of players are from South America and with the economy going down spending even 10$ to test a VPN might be too much.
I totally agree, which is why OVH is not a good option here ^^
And honestly, for anyone still in education that might even be a bit much.
But there are a bit more than 4~5 providers. A lot more actually. And there is also colocation.
Unfortunately there's no such thing as "hosting for non professional services", unless you're hosting at your own house. Every hosting company treats it seriously, I don't follow your rationale.
Yeah there isn't the way you phrase it right now. Of course, they all treat you seriously and professionally. It would be a problem if they wouldn't. But there is a difference between offering a service like Reddit and OTLand. Small difference here. Very small.
unless Don Danielo itself puts all his machines to attack you.
But that was one of my points, DDoS nowadays is not just hammering a server anymore. But yeah in those terms (and Don is not a good example here because this is still small shit) there are better and worse systems. Of course. Some put you behind the protection faster, some slower. It is for their own protection as well though. And of course, some are gonna have more consequences than others. I cannot say for sure what is better and what is worse. Though maybe there are tests for this out there, but I don't care enough to look it up tbh
(Making me attackable here again, I bet someone is gonna pick up on this and say "why do you say anything then" because there are lines i draw... it's irrational, so?)
Anyway, you won't be behind protection all the time. And the problem is that you aren't immune just because you are with OVH. There are enough ways to still DDoS you and I have heard of bigger OT servers (no, not stating names) that had to implement their own (very expensive) solution to deal with it while being at OVH.
I agree when you say it's users responsability, but most of people setting up a server are layman to the subject. Considering this opting for an alternative that already gives you basic ground checked on protection is still a best alternative.
Very true, but does a beginner really need such a strong and expensive service? I see the conflict there. No experience so should get support wheels. But at any price? And does a small bike need support wheels the size of a truck? I don't think so. It's not like you can't upgrade later. You can move even if it is a hassle and you will need to put a few hours into it. If you do it right, you only have a downtime of about 5-15min though.
I knew a guy that was able to take down several sites, including otland and others sites. He even took down a porn site in Brazil which is very famous. He took my server down in a couple of seconds, even with my firewall rules, iptables and so on. He especifically told me as of this point THE ONLY SERVERS HE COULDN'T TAKE DOWN are the OVH, because of their load balancer.
That is kind of out of context and I would love to know the whole story, all "numbers" and how they got to be. But It may very well be for him. I am very curious if he could take down our infrastructure (not with OVH). Firewall rules, iptables, and so on will only protect you from small script kiddies though. As soon as the kiddie has advanced knowledge, this will be much less effective.
Load balancers are normal with all providers. But see above for the rest. There are better and worse, you just need to find the correct balance.
I think by the end you are misunderstanding the echo you have been hearing, when people say "Go to OVH" they are simply repeating a good and reliable option for end users who doesn't have that much background.
I totally agree with you here. But it is still not a rational opinion and not based on numbers ^^
And I am sure the service is great. I just don't see the price being justified for OTservers.
OVH is good, it gives you a fair price and offers free DDOs protection for low-mid attacks which I haven't seen ANY other host offers so far. Many people have avoided attacks simply by moving to it.
It definitely is a good service and a fair price if you use all the options included. But are you sure they couldn't have avoided attacks otherwise? And if so, how do you know?
I think in the end we just have a very different view of expensive. For me 6€ for a 1 core, 2GB RAM server is very expensive as I can get a much better offer for twice the resources. Maybe that's also because the resources I require are not "a few GB of RAM and some processing power" but rather (currently) 8 servers, each with at least 32GB RAM and 6-10 cores. And all of them are root servers since vServers have one specific disadvantage (shared resources) you cannot really effort from a certain size on anymore. So it adds up fast.
I don't even know why I bother. Probably because I don't like one service being praised as the only true one and the only real option. I mean... It's bullshit. And anytime I say "why not consider this or that" I am being attaked with "NO, ONLY OVH. YOU ARE WRONG. THERE ARE NO OTHERS."
Ok fine