How does ShadowCores keep up to date?

[Evan]

Where did you hear that? Are you referring to this?: http://otland.net/f14/opentibia-has-moved-github-164012/index2.html#post1586052
He says he'll be done with TFS to work on something much better.

 

[J.Dre]

He told me in Skype, a personal conversation. He assured me he would find the right person to take over, but it may not be enough.

As much time and effort he puts into making ShadowCores a near perfect server, if he did the same to OtLand by improving the community, we'd have a real chance of turning things around.

 

[Printer]

Seems intressting.

 

[J.Dre]

Seems intressting.

He was never meant to be around forever, you all should've known that. We need to address these issues now, head on, or else we'll see another OTFans repeat.

The support team is only the beginning. We cannot stop there. No single person can do this either, it will take everyone - we have to collaborate and work together. I spoke with Don Daniello on Skype for hours, we stayed up chatting about the future of OtLand until 2 AM. We both had some great ideas and plans to turn things around, but we can't do it alone. He sees what I see, and feels how I feel, but no one can do it without you. I'm willing to do it for you and me, for everyone. It will be hard and will take time, but it's very possible. If Talaturen would help, things would go a lot smoother. I mean really help, not just approve something, sitting on the side lines letting someone else handle it.

 

[Printer]

J.Dre, Asfar i see we lose more Programmers or Scripters every year. Everything turns from free to money. This is the problem. People want to start earn money for things they have achive. We lost elf, his not much around the forum, We lost Cykotitan, his not much around the forum either, We lost Stian, We lost Mock (I think). We lost many people, because real life issues or other things.

I remeber before, when i opened servers, it was to have players and for fun. No donates exsisted on those times. Until some basterd invented that s#it. There some servers still free, but they only last serveral weeks then poof dead. I can understand the thing with donation, to pay the bills for dedicate server. But there is people which using that money to not improve the server, instead using it none-tibia releated stuff.

There is project they are starting, but never ever getting finished. I can't lie, my real life isn't perfect, im not rich, im living a normal life with cash which can support me to eat, sleep and school.

But i can't blame people. There is one thing, which is standing in our way to achive better world for open-tibia. Lazy People! Those people which request but never learn. I can understand the requests, but after 100x requests you need to learn how to make things by yourself. So you can help beginners.

Ex. If im the only one which know, how to lua-script. After helping people 100x times and i have to leave otland & those people didnt learn a shi#t. Who will help them now? That's the problem. People have to learn during their requests! Also Br's or Pl's have to stop using a forum only for Br's or Pl's! Start using same forum or start cooperate. Because ive seen many good scripters, programmers, mappers, web-desingers, supporters etc.. On the other forum, but they only speak their own respective language, which makes it difficult for me or others to understand.

Also maybe some people start worring to open own servers, because they think Open-Tibia is illegal. That is bullshit! Open-Tibia is 100% legal to use! The only thing which is illegal, that we are using its the Tibia Client and maybe sprs. We have to start using then OTClient we need really good programmers to work around it and fix some issues! Because asfar i see, OTClient is much better, because we got source access to it.

That's all i had to say.

Sorry for my english.

 

[J.Dre]

No need to apologize, I understand you just fine. I'm glad you feel this way, I'm sure a lot of us do but are too lazy or too afraid to express it. I'm also glad that you've taken the initiative to learn Lua, good for you.

I think we all just need some motivation. Pure, tactic free, scare free motivation. I'm going to speak with Don Daniello again about these issues and hope we can come to some arrangement. I tried with Tala, but he blocked my Skype.

 

[Printer]

You can achive everything, if you keep on working! You work hard to walk, talk, jump, count and more.

If i going to be honest, i wasn't born as a scripter, i took intresst on it. Searched for tutorials and start investigate on other people scripts also. When i made my first scripts, they were failure, but i love that people was supporting me, telling my misstakes and what i could improve, i accept it and put it into my mind.

Thanks

 

[Mark]

I'm not even going to bother responding to J.Dre's absurd posts, I'll just say that he seem to have very little knowledge about what he's talking about and most of the things he wrote about me are simply not true. It's true that I've had a personal conversation with him, but most of it was about him trying to buy map tracker/ShadowCores and then trying to become a GM on ShadowCores. It got so far that I had to block him because he was really annoying. I don't have any plans on leaving OpenTibia at this moment, if I leave in two years that will be something I decide later on, it's definitely not something I've already decided that I will do.

Alternatively use the already created by someone else's map tracker, they just update it.

The software we use is written by Kornholijo, we haven't used anyone elses map tracker or code.

 

[J.Dre]

I got his attention! I'm happy and surprised you're finally listening. I'd love to continue this conversation via Skype if you'd be willing to do so. Don, you, me, and whoever else who wants to, should discuss the future of this community. Yes, we had several conversations, a few of which were about me helping with you ShadowCores. Stating that this is "simply not true," is not true itself, haha. This couldn't be more real if I tried to make it so.

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Let's skip to the acceptance part, shall we? It will only benefit us all.

 

[Printer]

Talaturen, i understand you'r bussy with your server and other stuff. But can you atleast read my long post

 

[Vendeliko]

Talaturen,if you ever stop with shadowcoes please do not release it anywhere as it will kill the community cuz people will have pr0 download & run servers.

 

[Printer]

Vendeliko, i think he should release the engine or some parts. But releasing full server is bad idea. Because Download/Run/Earn Money/Shutdown/Buying a Car/Start New Server/Earn Money/Buying a House, then bye to everything.

I would prefer to make the things by your own hand. Gather a team and start doing it.

 

[sn3ejk]

I do not know why J.Dre prints so strange things. I am a fresh user and do not know how it used to be but you can see with the naked eye that Talaturen engaged in the life of the forum.
Everything is visible in posts that he wrote, and commit that approved.

 

[Mark]

I got his attention! I'm happy and surprised you're finally listening. I'd love to continue this conversation via Skype if you'd be willing to do so. Don, you, me, and whoever else who wants to, should discuss the future of this community. Yes, we had several conversations, a few of which were about me helping with you ShadowCores. Stating that this is "simply not true," is not true itself, haha. This couldn't be more real if I tried to make it so.

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Let's skip to the acceptance part, shall we? It will only benefit us all.

I have no interest in continuing any conversation with you after seeing your posts in this thread, you are in no position to discuss the future of this community with me. How about you start your own community and apply your philophosy there and we'll see how well that goes? I don't think you have anything but jealousy to contribute, yet you keep judging other people. At least my projects don't fail on the recruitment stage.

Talaturen, i understand you'r bussy with your server and other stuff. But can you atleast read my long post

Sorry, I didn't see your post until after I had already replied to the thread but I've read it now and I agree with what you say but there isn't much I can do alone to motivate the community to learn or the developers to be more active. I'm already releasing TFS as an engine, to allow people to create their own scripts, and most of my work on the engine in ShadowCores also go to The Forgotten Server 0.2. Don Daniello has been working on setting up a knowledgebase, which might help users who are new or users who still haven't learned, although I don't know the status on that yet. I simply don't have the time to do everything by myself, the community has to help, and I think the OTClient developers have done a really good job. Remember that no one is stopping you from helping, so don't blame me for lazyness of the community. Unfortunately J.Dre has problems understanding that and that's why he's posting bullshit in this thread expecting me to be the guy who makes everything in OpenTibia happen.

 

[Vendeliko]

I have no interest in continuing any conversation with you after seeing your posts in this thread, you are in no position to discuss the future of this community with me. How about you start your own community and apply your philophosy there and we'll see how well that goes? I don't think you have anything but jealousy to contribute, yet you keep judging other people. At least my projects don't fail on the recruitment stage.

Hes part of the community so hes voice should be heard ^_^.

 

[Hani]

I might be one of the persons who knows Talaturen the best, we've been friends for a long time and I have also been a part of TwifySoft(SoftCores, ShadowCores etc.) for many years, working closely together with him. I think therefore that I am one of the persons that can actually see the entire picture and actually realise how much open tibia means to him.

Talaturen cares extremely much about this community and keeping open tibia alive, more than the most of you could ever imagine. Not only did he actually donate money to OTFans in an attempt to keep them alive, he also succeeded to get other developers active again, among other things he was a contributing factor to Remere updating his mapeditor again and that OT was moved to github. Things that has helped the entire community to move on. He have done loads of things that probably none ever would have the motivation to do, simply because he cares. And as some of you have mentioned, no, the motivation isn't money. If it all would have been about money, there is a lot of other things that would give you more money, if you look at the work versus money exchange. So please, J.dre, take your bullshit and go somewhere else.

 

[Printer]

I have no interest in continuing any conversation with you after seeing your posts in this thread, you are in no position to discuss the future of this community with me. How about you start your own community and apply your philophosy there and we'll see how well that goes? I don't think you have anything but jealousy to contribute, yet you keep judging other people. At least my projects don't fail on the recruitment stage.



Sorry, I didn't see your post until after I had already replied to the thread but I've read it now and I agree with what you say but there isn't much I can do alone to motivate the community to learn or the developers to be more active. I'm already releasing TFS as an engine, to allow people to create their own scripts, and most of my work on the engine in ShadowCores also go to The Forgotten Server 0.2. Don Daniello has been working on setting up a knowledgebase, which might help users who are new or users who still haven't learned, although I don't know the status on that yet. I simply don't have the time to do everything by myself, the community has to help, and I think the OTClient developers have done a really good job. Remember that no one is stopping you from helping, so don't blame me for lazyness of the community. Unfortunately J.Dre has problems understanding that and that's why he's posting bullshit in this thread expecting me to be the guy who makes everything in OpenTibia happen.

Thanks for reply, but im not blaming you, you have done great work! You still working on tfs and i admire that and helping people! I Admire that

 

[Fairywintah]

1. They have a paid job, every member of Shadowcores gets paid if I ain't wrong.
2. Talaturen and most of the member of Shadowcores have some experince in open tibia.
3. They want this server to be succes without failing (like myself, but I ain't got any experince :/)

 

[Prest]

You don't see the fact that Talaturen is only concerned with himself, do you? He doesn't care about this forum. He dedicates 98% of his time to TFS and his server because he personally benefits from it, not because the people of this community do. I've never once seen Talaturen take time out of his day to assist people in the support board with issues, nor have I ever seen him release anything except TFS and an IP Changer when he is capable of doing so much more. He's a smart guy, but couldn't give two shits about the people of this community. I've been around for 7 years, it's pretty obvious. He may claim he does and he's got a lot of supporters, so he can argue it, but deep down, he doesn't give a shit. Or at least it seems this way. Unless he directly benefits (financially, reputably) from his actions, he doesn't do it. "Meh, I'll give these guys a little push and let them figure it out...good luck boys." OT has been on a shit path for years and he hasn't attempted to do jack shit about it. "I'll host one last OT and go out in style!" - that's his mentality, or so it seems by his actions. If you don't see it, you're lying to yourself.

He could do so much more, but chooses not to. That's not someone you should look up to. (I'm only saying this because you told people they should try to be like him, which is ridiculous. They should try to be better than him.)

P.S. I realize I may have just initiated one of the largest debates in the history of OtLand. It's worth a discussion in my opinion. Let the games begin.

The reason why he isn't in the support board helping newbs with simple issues is because he knows lots of other members in this community know how to solve that issue, and they will help that person, which brings the community closer, and he noticed the amount of help needed in the support board thus why he created the support team, the support team basically represents him, if none of them know how to solve such issue, odds are Talaturen will show up to explain how its solved. Yes he can do so much more, but he chooses not to, because this is just a game, it's taken a huge part of his life and if he doesn't feel comfortable with working more and more for just a game, let him be, it's his life, be glad for what he has already done for you, if it weren't for him, you wouldn't even be here right now. He opened the gates to Open-Tibia, he is a pioneer.

 

[Printer]

1. They have a paid job, every member of Shadowcores gets paid if I ain't wrong.
2. Talaturen and most of the member of Shadowcores have some experince in open tibia.
3. They want this server to be succes without failing (like myself, but I ain't got any experince :/)

Err, they are one of the creator's of TFS! xD They have alot of exprience