Tibia Relic - a long-term reversed 7.4 project discussion thread

[infrator123]

People that use tibia sprites and hosting a server based on tibia complaining about people stealing their sprites, thats funny

 

[kay]

People that use tibia sprites and hosting a server based on tibia complaining about people stealing their sprites, thats funny

Again, OTS by definition are fan projects based on Tibia, and no one pretends otherwise. This doesn't mean that we should be stealing from each other within the community.

Or does the fact that we are all into Tibia-based fan projects justify stealing, scamming, treating others like shit, and fucking everyone over in our community? Even those who are trying to be helpful to you without any interest? Is that what you're saying?

OT servers of those ancient versions are like folk parks for a bunch of old-timers, who otherwise wouldn't ever again be able to experience them, since Cip themselves obviously aren't interested in it. We're all fans of that old shit, that's why we're trying to revive it on our own, and Cip clearly don't care (and they haven't for 20 years straight already). How this justifies being a scumbag towards everyone here in this community is beyond me.

 

[Jonathewise]

Well atleast we know that its going to be a good server since its a copy of tibiantis but in NA, if ur not interest in NA region someone will, if hes replying the same then its good news for NA players who awaits a tibiantis version in the area, hopefully this guys knows how to defend against ddos n shit since something its telling me that he might have haters trying to ruined his host

 

[Adposatnr]

if somebody literally copy discord messages/channel descriptions and ToS/houses pictures for website i assume hes hella lazy

and if hes lazy he wont be bothered to deal with cheaters which matters the most on 7.4 x1 servers so this server has no future at all

 

[jeanphilip]

if somebody literally copy discord messages/channel descriptions and ToS/houses pictures for website i assume hes hella lazy

and if hes lazy he wont be bothered to deal with cheaters which matters the most on 7.4 x1 servers so this server has no future at all

is an adric server the most blamer user of otland years doing nothing more than complaint at other hosters devs xd so yeah

 

[kay]

Well atleast we know that its going to be a good server since its a copy of tibiantis but in NA, if ur not interest in NA region someone will, if hes replying the same then its good news for NA players who awaits a tibiantis version in the area, hopefully this guys knows how to defend against ddos n shit since something its telling me that he might have haters trying to ruined his host

Yea, cause copying someone's sprites and messages literally makes your server just as good as theirs. That's how it works, totally.

Not that it shows upfront that you must be a lazy scumbag and liar (and that you probably have no idea how to run that server yourself since you're just copy-pasting). Totally NOT a red flag. It's perfectly reasonable to expect honest and professional attitude and management from such a person.

 

[elao]

Yea, cause copying someone's sprites and messages literally makes your server just as good as theirs. That's how it works, totally.

Not that it shows upfront that you must be a lazy scumbag and liar (and that you probably have no idea how to run that server yourself since you're just copy-pasting). Totally NOT a red flag. It's perfectly reasonable to expect honest and professional attitude and management from such a person.

The same way you started yours by copying original 7.7 .dat e .spr, I used yours as shortcut for 7.4 sprites.
For the third time: Tibiantis' custom sprites are not being used in my server. There might still be some remnants of those sprites in the .spr file that I'll be removing from it. But again, none of them are being used in-game.

You say I have no idea how to run a server, then just chill and let it die

 

[kay]

The same way you started yours by copying original 7.7 .dat e .spr, I used yours as shortcut for 7.4 sprites.
For the third time: Tibiantis' custom sprites are not being used in my server. There might still be some remnants of those sprites in the .spr file that I'll be removing from it. But again, none of them are being used in-game.

No, it's not "the same way". We didn't steal anything from another OT here and then tried to trick players into thinking that it was ours. We took the original 7.4 Tibia dat and spr, everything else was our own work (or our hired artist). We also never tried to make it look like the base sprites were not from Tibia. They are, it's a mix of the original 7.4 and our own custom stuff, and it has always been clear for everyone. Tibiantis is an old Tibia-based fan project, no one pretends otherwise. If you go to our thread, you will see that it literally says that.

You, however, took everything from another OT server and openly said that it was made "exclusively" for yours. Many people won't be able to distinct it, or it won't be that clear to them, so they may be easily tricked into thinking that it really is your work. This means that you lie to your potential players, and that you're highly disrespectful to other people in this community to say the least (or that you literally try to fuck them over, the very same people who had been selflessly helpful to you). So, what does it tell about you as an OT hoster and as a person?

And yes, some of our sprites you do use in game, which I have seen in the pictures that you uploaded. So you even keep lying right now. That's on top of the fact, that you also shamelessly copied all the text from our website (basically every subpage of yours is ctrl+c ctrl+v mode), copied our discord messages, pictures, and other stuff - claiming that it was all "exclusively" your work or trying to trick everyone into thinking that.

Whatever you say, that's NOT "the same way".

You say I have no idea how to run a server, then just chill and let it die

That wasn't the point. I only wanted to express my disapointment for the fact that you chose to be a total asshole towards us for your own (potential) benefit, just after we had been helpful to you without any interest for us whatsoever.

You know what's the funniest (or the saddest)? That if you had simply asked if you could use some of those sprites, we would have probably been like yea, whatever. Since we can't stop you from stealing them anyway, I'd at least appreciate the fact that you wanted to be fair with us and asked. But no, you decided to be a scumbag, even though we talked before and I was always kind to you.

 

[undefined]

Wait again!
@elao so @kay just helped you with resolving your issues, even asked his friend to help you, then you copied his sprites and a lot of website content 1:1 XD, then you complain about him also being an thief (of cipsoft content)???

well propably we have an nomination to the biggest retard of 2025 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

[elao]

No, it's not "the same way". We didn't steal anything from another OT here and then tried to trick players into thinking that it was ours. We took the original 7.4 Tibia dat and spr, everything else was our own work (or our hired artist). We also never tried to make it look like the base sprites were not from Tibia. They are, it's a mix of the original 7.4 and our own custom stuff, and it has always been clear for everyone. Tibiantis is an old Tibia-based fan project, no one pretends otherwise. If you go to our thread, you will see that it literally says that.

You, however, took everything from another OT server and openly said that it was made "exclusively" for yours. Many people won't be able to distinct it, or it won't be that clear to them, so they may be easily tricked into thinking that it really is your work. This means that you lie to your potential players, and that you're highly disrespectful to other people in this community to say the least (or that you literally try to fuck them over, the very same people who had been selflessly helpful to you). So, what does it tell about you as an OT hoster and as a person?

And yes, some of our sprites you do use in game, which I have seen in the pictures that you uploaded. So you even keep lying right now. That's on top of the fact, that you also shamelessly copied all the text from our website (basically every subpage of yours is ctrl+c ctrl+v mode), copied our discord messages, pictures, and other stuff - claiming that it was all "exclusively" your work or trying to trick everyone into thinking that.

Whatever you say, that's NOT "the same way".

That wasn't the point. I only wanted to express my disapointment for the fact that you chose to be a total asshole towards us for your own (potential) benefit, just after we had been helpful to you without any interest for us whatsoever.

You know what's the funniest? That if you had just asked if you could use some of those sprites, we would have probably been like yea, whatever. Since we can't stop you from stealing them anyway, I'd at least appreciate the fact that you wanted to be fair with us and asked. But no, you decided to be a scumbag, even though we talked before and I was always kind to you.

For the fourth and last time: this server is not using any of Tibiantis' custom sprite. You are complaining about a recolour of original sprite.

I really don't know what else to say to you. I understand you like to have the last word on every discussion, so this will be my last reply to you.

 

[kay]

For the fourth and last time: this server is not using any of Tibiantis' custom sprite.

4 times said, only 996 left to make it true

 

[Firemac]

OTS by definition are fan projects based on Tibia, and no one pretends otherwise. This doesn't mean that we should be stealing from each other within the community. Your "argument" is plain retarded. But above all, if someone dedicates their time to help you seflessly (even if it's minor thing), you should at least be a little more respectful to them than that. If you still decide to straight copy-paste their work, without a word, it only speaks for your lack of dignity and self-esteem. But honestly, I don't expect any of you to understand what dignity even means. If you could, you'd scam each other out of 10$ the first chance you got, and then tell yourself that it's right because "eVeRyOnE sTeaLs frOm cIpsOft".


I'm not here to "make it", show "coding skills", or to be "innovative". I am an old Tibia fan and I'm running a project for other old Tibia fans. That's what this forum exists for, you dolt. It's called otland - not gamedevland, or imamakeitland - for a reason, and your rant is totally irrelevant here.

Again, miskeen. I never defended this guys actions. What I see is a thief stealing from another thief. The respect you talk about is none to be had in this god forsaken community. You talk about dignity and that "we're somekind of community" trying to create some dishonest harmony when I've personally seen you attack other creators attempting what Tibiantis has done but on a higher level, for no reason at all. Don't come here and try to win some sympathy, you're a 5 exp rat, the same as the creator you now are exposing for stealing your "work". Great work btw, must have been extremely hard to create these sprites or to write some text on a website.

We all live and play in a world made by hackers and leaked/stolen files. There is no moral highground here, there is only hypocrisy. To pretend otherwise only reflects your own delusion. Now if we're done here, go back to your project and focus on your work instead of playing victim on Otland.

 

[kay]

You talk about dignity and that "we're somekind of community" trying to create some dishonest harmony when I've personally seen you attack other creators attempting what Tibiantis has done but on a higher level, for no reason at all.

I've never "attacked" here (if exposing the facts is even an attack) any other OT that has not stolen anything from us, or whose admin was not unnecessarily talking bullshit about us in the first place. There are plenty of servers who don't do that (at least not to us) and I don't comment on them at all.

In fact, I did not comment on many servers that also copied that "extremely hard to write some text", cause I already got used to it, and was like w/e. This time, however, I was very disappointed for the fact, that we had been helpful to that guy, and he still chose to be an asshole afterwards. That was the main point, not just the copying itself.

Go find an example of those "attacks for no reason" of mine, if you wish. But I know you won't, just like you couldn't back it up, when you claimed that I allgedly refused to ban cheaters whom you had allegedly reported. You literally made that story up just to slander, but people called you out then, so now you came up with another one, just because you apparently hold some personal grudge (?) against me. You're nothing but a troll and bullshitter at this point.

As for the rest, I honestly pity you for your "I have to be a scumbag cause everyone else is bad" mentality.

 

[Firemac]

I've never "attacked" here (if exposing the facts is even an attack) any other OT that has not stolen anything from us, or whose admin was not unnecessarily talking bullshit about us in the first place. There are plenty of servers who don't do that (at least not to us) and I don't comment on them at all.

In fact, I did not comment on many servers that also copied that "extremely hard to write some text", cause I already got used to it, and was like w/e. This time, however, I was very disappointed for the fact, that we had been helpful to that guy, and he still chose to be an asshole afterwards. That was the main point, not just the copying itself.

Go find an example of those "attacks for no reason" of mine, if you wish. But I know you won't, just like you couldn't back it up, when you claimed that I allgedly refused to ban cheaters whom you had reported. You literally made that story up and people called you out then, so now you came up with another one, just because you apparently hold some personal grudge (?) against me. You're nothing but a troll and bullshitter at this point.

As for the rest, I honestly pity you for your "I have to be a scumbag cause everyone else is bad" mentality.

I find it irrelevant that you are defending yourself by stating you never "attacked" someone here. I wasn't even refering to hear and I do not understand how you can misunderstand something trivial as such. What I was refering to was another incident where the owners did nothing but praise your work with Tibiantis when you attacked them for no apparent reason other than showing extreme ill intent due to jealousy or some other hidden factor.

Again, really, I don't give a shit about your past or how "credible and glorious" you are by not commenting servers who have copied you in the past. Miskeen your server literary copied Cipsofts game Tibia, stop acting like a victim. I understand you are personally invested in this matter, but it doesn't change the fact that everyone starting a pirated version of Tibia is a hypocrit so lets not pretend any of us are better than others.

"You literally made that story up, people called you out then" - You called me out, not people. Stop trying to manufacture consensus to invoke some shit social pressure, it doesn't work with me. Take your ruler techniques and shove them up ur ape ass. I don't have evidence to back it up since I didn't save it, and it was my fault to even bring it up without evidence since it would be your word against mine. But I don't care about that really, you know and I know and that is enough for me.

Pity me all you want, I'm not the washed up server owner crying about someone stealing some text or sprites when your whole legacy is literary built upon stealing.

 

[kay]

I find it irrelevant that you are defending yourself by stating you never "attacked" someone here. I wasn't even refering to hear and I do not understand how you can misunderstand something trivial as such. What I was refering to was another incident where the owners did nothing but praise your work with Tibiantis when you attacked them for no apparent reason other than showing extreme ill intent due to jealousy or some other hidden factor.

Again, really, I don't give a shit about your past or how "credible and glorious" you are by not commenting servers who have copied you in the past. Miskeen your server literary copied Cipsofts game Tibia, stop acting like a victim. I understand you are personally invested in this matter, but it doesn't change the fact that everyone starting a pirated version of Tibia is a hypocrit so lets not pretend any of us are better than others.

"You literally made that story up, people called you out then" - You called me out, not people. Stop trying to manufacture consensus to invoke some shit social pressure, it doesn't work with me. Take your ruler techniques and shove them up ur ape ass. I don't have evidence to back it up since I didn't save it, and it was my fault to even bring it up without evidence since it would be your word against mine. But I don't care about that really, you know and I know and that is enough for me.

Pity me all you want, I'm not the washed up server owner crying about someone stealing some text or sprites when your whole legacy is literary built upon stealing.

You claimed that I "attacked" other OT hosters "for no reason". So I just said that I didn't "attack" any other OT that didn't either steal from us or talk bullshit about us in the first place, cause normally I don't comment on other OT servers at all (if you claim otherwise, then show it maybe?).
Now you're saying that "it's irrelevant and you misunderstand it, cause I meant that you attacked other OT hosters for no reason, and bla bla I don't care that you don't comment on them". Makes so much sense.

Go find an example of those "attacks for no reason" of mine, if you wish. But I know you won't, just like you couldn't back it up, when...

And of course you didn't find it, though you were engaged enough to produce another wall of bullshit. Who would've thought?

 

[Firemac]

You claimed that I "attacked" other OT hosters "for no reason". So I just said that I didn't "attack" any other OT that didn't either steal from us or didn't talk bullshit about us in the first place, cause normally I don't comment on other OT servers at all (if you claim otherwise, then show it maybe).
And now you're saying that "it's irrelevant, you misunderstand it, cause I meant that you attacked other OT hosters for no reason, and bla bla I don't care that you don't comment on them."

And of course you didn't. Who would've thought?

I've never "attacked" here (if exposing the facts is even an attack) <- I guess I misunderstood your meaning here then, case closed. Should be understandable that you struggle with making your point when you even chose to send some polish meme to someone non-polish. I advise you to use AI, your text would be easier to comprehend. It's not like its anything new to you, I really liked your Ho Ho Ho post. 100% authentic! You've got a server with 200 people online right now, you should focus more on them instead of acting like a keyboard warrior on Otland.

For the sake of sparing people of drama I've promised not to bring in other people in our little debate. I actually like those people, and I wouldn't like the idea of them having to deal with you.

 

[kay]

Still unable to back your accusation up, but arsed enough to produce yet more personal shit, how surprising. Keep it going, you're totally not proving my point right now.

 

[Firemac]

Still unable to back your accusation up, but arsed enough to produce yet more personal shit, how surprising. Keep it going, you're totally not proving my point right now.

No but you don't seem to understand Kay. Except for your henchmen, I've talked to various people working with their servers and the general consensus is that people do not like you. I've had people reading this argument between you and me and they are begging me not to bring them in because they do not want to deal with your bullshit.

But I guess that is impossible to be true because who would dislike the mighty, honorable and glorious Kay who didn't comment on several servers stealing your so-called hard work XD. Pathetic.

 

[kay]

I don't care if your imaginary friends, or whoever that was, like me or not, cause that was never the point. Just to remind: we were talking about whether I did or did not attack someone for no reason, not whether everyone likes me like I'm tomato soup. You're still unable to show at least one of those ungrounded attacks of mine, just like I called it upfront.

 

[Firemac]

I don't care if your imaginary friends, or whoever that was, like me or not, cause that was never the point. Just to remind: we were talking about whether I did or did not attack someone for no reason, not whether everyone likes me like I'm tomato soup. You're still unable to show at least one of those ungrounded attacks of mine, just like I called upfront.

Imaginary friends yes, sure. People have servers to run, lives to care about. They do not want to waste time arguing with someone like you on Otland.