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TVP 7.4 Develop & TVP 7.7 Stable Full Distribution

I won't take anyone's side in this fight. I've worked with Ezz in the past, other than needing to be patient and wait longer than expected, I had no problems at all.
That said, I understand why you and others are frustrated with him. TVP is indeed not nearly as close to a 1:1 clone as he advertised.

Regarding the map on TVP, it's the same as on Nostalrius (the only difference being that TVP uses serverIDs instead of clientIDs). So I guess he started with that from the get-go, rather than modifying it later on, since it was already done in Nostalrius years before he started TVP.
Where was TVP advertised as a 1:1 clone? That has never been the case, it is the best clone available? Definitely.
Also, I'd like to thank Evil Mark and Marcin, boys have made me get over 3k euro since this was posted here, like literally no joke, bunch of tasks, bug fixing, etc ...

Nostalrius map is sector files from leaked tarball, and so is TVP, that's why they are the same, difference in TVP being that it works with TFS item IDs unlike Nostalrius which works with CipSoft Item IDs.
 
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no offence to any of you guys but tfs was special and I doubt you will manage to create any project in tibia that will gain as much love as tfs did.
it was extremely easy to use even as a noob and it provided so much fun for so many for over a decade.
these days you developers just get a team of people together and you build your own project without the community in mind just to make money.
back in the days this forum was made for sharing and developing, now its just for profit like the rest of the world.

We need Mark to come back here and lead a 7.4 server project. OTLand was at its peak when TFS was being developed and played on everywhere. I agree 100% that all recent projects (in the last 10+ years) have been for-profit exclusively.

Mark moved on to work on other projects. He is now developing "Esplay", which is co-founded by him and another guy called Samuel. And a bit of interesting recent news; Samuel (the other co-founder) was the guy who created the largest internet café in the world called "Inferno Online". He was a pioneer in the gaming industry in Europe. He later sold that company ("Inferno Online") in 2017 to a company called "Esportal" (not to be confused with "Esplay"). Yesterday it seems to have been revealed "Inferno Online" (run by Esportal) is shutting down, due to using the premises to store and distribute drugs (cocaine, marijuana, etc). Crazy!



Not that this has anything to do with Mark, but I just saw a few posts about it on the news. I'm sure Samuel (his friend) shed a few tears today as he saw his baby, Inferno Online, shut its doors forever.
 
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It's true, you've never said 1:1 clone, but it could be easily interpreted as so with statements like:
as I'm sure happened to some.
I gotcha, completely, for the vast majority of players it truly is, look at Project Fibula for instance.
It's like saying OTCv8 is not the best client out there because it still not entirely optimized and even though was advertised as-is, still if you see, it's the best out there for the people that use it, same thing happens to TVP.
We need Mark to come back here and lead a 7.4 server project. OTLand was at its peak when TFS was being developed and played on everywhere. I agree 100% that all recent projects (in the last 10+ years) have been for-profit exclusively.
And I thought you were a smarter guy, sad.
Edit; he's talking about Mark, otland owner.
 
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I gotcha, completely, for the vast majority of players it truly is, look at Project Fibula for instance.
It's like saying OTCv8 is not the best client out there because it still not entirely optimized and even though was advertised as-is, still if you see, it's the best out there for the people that use it, same thing happens to TVP.

And I thought you were a smarter guy, sad.

Do you not think it's a shame all projects on OTLand are for-profit these days?
 
Do you not think it's a shame all projects on OTLand are for-profit these days?
Have you not seen Project Fibula? It's TVP and is also free to play...
But look, we're over 30 years of age, we don't have time available, and hosting takes time and money, also taking care of bots and mcs...

Btw; I thought you meant Evil Mark, you were actually talking about TFS' Mark, in that case yeah, you're as smart as I always thought you were 🥰
 
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Have you not seen Project Fibula? It's TVP and is also free to play...
But look, we're over 30 years of age, we don't have time available, and hosting takes time and money, also taking care of bots and mcs...

Btw; I thought you meant Evil Mark, you were actually talking about TFS' Mark, in that case yeah, you're as smart as I always thought you were 🥰

But that's not what I'm talking about. Project Fibula is just a live game server that uses a paid product. What I mean is the product (engine) it uses. OTLand doesn't have much open source engines anymore. And I think it's a shame. TP Forums, OTFans and OTLand thrived because people were sharing code for free with others. It made people feel welcome and everyone was learning from each others, and collaborating on stuff.

These types of forums were a meeting place for people to come and help build amazing projects together on their spare time. If you were lucky you would get a few donations every now and then. But the goal was to create an awesome project, no matter what it was. Now it's the complete opposite; we have many more projects, but of lower quality. It's usually 1-2 people behind every project. And if one of them quits, then there is no one else to develop and fix bugs. It's not sustainable, which is why this forum has slowly died off.

People are good at different things. Some are good at low level stuff, some are great at maps, some are good at UI/UX, some are good at scripting. TFS was a result because it had so many people who knew all of that stuff. It wouldn't have been possible if only 1-2 people worked on it and decided to make some quick money.
 
But that's not what I'm talking about. Project Fibula is just a live game server that uses a paid product. What I mean is the product (engine) it uses. OTLand doesn't have much open source engines anymore. And I think it's a shame. TP Forums, OTFans and OTLand thrived because people were sharing code for free with others. It made people feel welcome and everyone was learning from each others, and collaborating on stuff.

These types of forums were a meeting place for people to come and help build amazing projects together on their spare time. If you were lucky you would get a few donations every now and then. But the goal was to create an awesome project, no matter what it was. Now it's the complete opposite; we have many more projects, but of lower quality. It's usually 1-2 people behind every project. And if one of them quits, then there is no one else to develop and fix bugs. It's not sustainable, which is why this forum has slowly died off.

People are good at different things. Some are good at low level stuff, some are great at maps, some are good at UI/UX, some are good at scripting. TFS was a result because it had so many people who knew all of that stuff. It wouldn't have been possible if only 1-2 people worked on it and decided to make some quick money.
A thing you have to learn to understand nowadays, there is no point in giving stuff for free because there will always be a set of people who use it to make money by the work of others, such projects take time, and time is nonrefundable.

OpenTibia will never be what it was back in 2007~2012, everyone has grown older, have debts to pay, have short time availability.
 
A thing you have to learn to understand nowadays, there is no point in giving stuff for free because there will always be a set of people who use it to make money by the work of others, such projects take time, and time is nonrefundable.

OpenTibia will never be what it was back in 2007~2012, everyone has grown older, have debts to pay, have short time availability.

I could not disagree more. Linux community is thriving and we're seeing more adaption than ever before due to the increase in free open source projects. If you're discouraged from collaborating in open source projects because "someone might make money" then, respectfully, choose another forum. It's not about making "OpenTibia like it was in 2007-2012". It's about creating a sustainable future for this community. You're talking about OpenTibia like it's a billion dollar business. Relax. Someone might indeed make a few EUR here and there. But it's not the end of the world.

I'm glad that very few people on this planet think like you. If everyone got discouraged from open source, then the entire internet would be controlled by a handful of companies with subscriptions models everywhere, including your browser.

What you're doing is chasing chump change. Just a few posts ago you were bragging about getting 3000 EUR to resolve bug fixes. That's great! But you have to realize that the vast majority of people here, especially those who have been around for 15-20 years, are not here to chase a little bit of money. They already have well established careers and earn 10-100 times more money per year anyways. What discourages them from coming here to collaborate in their spare time, is that all projects are closed source and run by 1-2 people.

And who cares if someone else use your code to earn money? That's good! That means someone put use of that tool, which is exactly what this community needs. I can't believe you're out here chasing a few hundred or thousand EUR. It's chump change in the grand scheme of things.

It's hypocritical of you to say things like that, considering you're using someone elses tools and code as base to sell your code. Don't you realize how incredibly stupid that comment is? You are shortsighted and it's clear that you have no intention if seeing the Open Tibia community thrive. Longevity is not a word in your dictionary. All you think about is pocketing some quick chump change before you go on to the next thing.

Buying from someone like you would be a horrible business decision. You are 1 person and if you choose to leave, get sick, die, or just block people - they would be left with no support and would be back to square one. I can see Eric is having immense amount of trouble with Project Fibula. It's been crashing and resetting almost every week. He's probably spamming your private messages as we speak. And you refuse to bring in more people to collab with. It makes no sense. This whole community is such a mess these days. It would literally be better off if Mark came here and just shutdown the entire forum once and for all. The forum is full of scams, gatekeepers and unreliable business partners. It's a mess.
 
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I could not disagree more. Linux community is thriving and we're seeing more adaption than ever before due to the increase in free open source projects. If you're discouraged from collaborating in open source projects because "someone might make money" then, respectfully, choose another forum. It's not about making "OpenTibia like it was in 2007-2012". It's about creating a sustainable future for this community. You're talking about OpenTibia like it's a billion dollar business. Relax. Someone might indeed make a few EUR here and there. But it's not the end of the world.

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You’re mixing ideology, assumptions, and personal attacks, so let’s separate things.

First: closed source != scam. That’s a lazy and dishonest shortcut. Plenty of legitimate, long-lived software is closed source, especially when it’s actively maintained by a small team or individual. Open source is a model, not a moral high ground.

Second: I’m not “discouraged” by open source. I simply chose a different model. That’s allowed. The Linux comparison is irrelevant here. OpenTibia is not the Linux kernel, it’s a niche hobby ecosystem with a long history of forks, abandonware, and zero accountability. Pretending otherwise is romantic, not pragmatic.

Third: money. Calling it “chump change” while obsessing over it for several paragraphs is ironic. I charge for my work because it takes time, responsibility, and long-term commitment. If someone paid 3000 EUR for bug fixes, that’s because they valued the work. That’s not bragging, that’s a market signal. If others don’t care about money, great. No one is forcing them to buy anything.

Fourth: “you’re using other people’s code”. aka, TFS, Yes, legally, transparently, and within license terms. That’s how software works. The difference is that I also take responsibility for maintenance, support, and outcomes. Something many “community” projects conveniently avoid.

Fifth: the bus-factor argument. You’re describing a risk that exists in every small software vendor, open or closed. Open source doesn’t magically solve abandonment, the OpenTibia graveyard is full of dead repos that prove that point. Support and continuity come from incentives and accountability, not GitHub stars.

Finally, the emotional rant about shutting down the forum says more about your frustration than my intentions. I’m not here to “save” the community, and I’m not obligated to align with your ideology to participate in it. I build things, people choose whether they want them, and that’s it.

If you prefer open source projects run by committees, contribute to those.
If you don’t see value in what I offer, don’t buy it.
But calling something a scam because it doesn’t match your worldview is just noise.

I’m done engaging with this line of argument, go make your own community.
 
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You’re mixing ideology, assumptions, and personal attacks, so let’s separate things.

First: closed source != scam. That’s a lazy and dishonest shortcut. Plenty of legitimate, long-lived software is closed source, especially when it’s actively maintained by a small team or individual. Open source is a model, not a moral high ground.

Second: I’m not “discouraged” by open source. I simply chose a different model. That’s allowed. The Linux comparison is irrelevant here. OpenTibia is not the Linux kernel, it’s a niche hobby ecosystem with a long history of forks, abandonware, and zero accountability. Pretending otherwise is romantic, not pragmatic.

Third: money. Calling it “chump change” while obsessing over it for several paragraphs is ironic. I charge for my work because it takes time, responsibility, and long-term commitment. If someone paid 3000 EUR for bug fixes, that’s because they valued the work. That’s not bragging — that’s a market signal. If others don’t care about money, great. No one is forcing them to buy anything.

Fourth: “you’re using other people’s code”. aka, TFS, Yes, legally, transparently, and within license terms. That’s how software works. The difference is that I also take responsibility for maintenance, support, and outcomes. Something many “community” projects conveniently avoid.

Fifth: the bus-factor argument. You’re describing a risk that exists in every small software vendor, open or closed. Open source doesn’t magically solve abandonment, the OpenTibia graveyard is full of dead repos that prove that point. Support and continuity come from incentives and accountability, not GitHub stars.

Finally, the emotional rant about shutting down the forum says more about your frustration than my intentions. I’m not here to “save” the community, and I’m not obligated to align with your ideology to participate in it. I build things, people choose whether they want them, and that’s it.

If you prefer open source projects run by committees, contribute to those.
If you don’t see value in what I offer, don’t buy it.
But calling something a scam because it doesn’t match your worldview is just noise.

I’m done engaging with this line of argument, go make your own community.

Nice LLM response. Anyways:

1. I did not say "Closed Source = Scam". Now you're both misinterpreting my comment and making things up. I genuinely don't know how you came to that conclusion.

2. I'm not speaking about the Linux kernel, but the Linux community as a whole. It's highly relevant, as it's an enormous community that consists of hundreds of thousands open source developers working on thousands of projects - for free. You argued that there is no point in contributing to open source projects for free because someone else will make money from it. My counter-argument is that if that were the case, then the Linux community as a whole wouldn't even exist.

3. You're selling incomplete and bugged software - this is a fact. When someone has already paid thousands of dollars for the project - without any sort of business agreement or consumer rights - they naturally feel obliged to continue paying you for "bug fixes". Who else is going to know where to troubleshoot? That's an unethical business practice from your end. Many months after you started selling TVP we still see projects using it that require dozens of server resets per year. It's evident you are aware of this and it might even be your business idea; to sell bugged and incomplete software and then hook the buyer into paying for "bug fixes" that never ends.

4. I don't understand the reasoning behind your reply, but okay. It seems you haven't understood my initial response. What I'm saying is that you argue there's no point in providing free and open source software, while you yourself use that in order to create and sell stuff. Anything from scripts, to map editors, to other tools. Don't you see the irony in that? My point is that if nobody had published those things for free, you wouldn't be where you are today. In other words, you're a hypocrite. And just to be clear, last time I checked it's not legal by any means to reverse engineer the original Tibia game server for commercial purposes. So let's not talk about the legality of things here.

5. I will not even bother writing a response to that LLM response.

I don't know what I should call you. I can't call you a businessman because you do all your business on the black market with no registered company. But it is clear you're here to sell half-finished products and to gatekeep as much as possible from others while talking negatively about open source contributions. You talk about doing stuff legally, but fail to do so on many things. I don't understand what has gotten into your mind. And you can't even bother reading or writing a response without the use of ChatGPT, which is a major red flag. Don't you understand potential customers of yours will read this and see how you behave?

Anyways... soon there will be no OpenTibia community left because of all the gatekeepers and chump change chasers. OTLand has turned into Fiverr it seems.
 
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We need Mark to come back here and lead a 7.4 server project. OTLand was at its peak when TFS was being developed and played on everywhere. I agree 100% that all recent projects (in the last 10+ years) have been for-profit exclusively.

Mark moved on to work on other projects. He is now developing "Esplay", which is co-founded by him and another guy called Samuel. And a bit of interesting recent news; Samuel (the other co-founder) was the guy who created the largest internet café in the world called "Inferno Online". He was a pioneer in the gaming industry in Europe. He later sold that company ("Inferno Online") in 2017 to a company called "Esportal" (not to be confused with "Esplay"). Yesterday it seems to have been revealed "Inferno Online" (run by Esportal) is shutting down, due to using the premises to store and distribute drugs (cocaine, marijuana, etc). Crazy!



Not that this has anything to do with Mark, but I just saw a few posts about it on the news. I'm sure Samuel (his friend) shed a few tears today as he saw his baby, Inferno Online, shut its doors forever.
It would have been best if it had been that way earlier, but unfortunately it isn’t,Things have changed significantly on all fronts. I clearly remember when people first started with OTS everything you needed to start an OT was available on the forum, and you could get help with absolutely everything. What you’re saying is completely true, @TibiCAM.

As the years go by, people get older. You start to realize that constantly giving and giving, only to get shit back in return, eventually wears you down. There comes a point where you give up and things end up the way they are today. People will do anything to make money and throw shit on every other OTS just to make their own server look like the best one out there.

If you start a server today and don’t have any donations, no one will play on the OT, because that’s just not what people want anymore. People want to pay to make things progress faster, since time is limited. I can even see myself putting some money into an OT to make things easier for me now that I have a family, a job, and other responsibilities. I simply don’t have the same amount of time that I did when I was 10–20 years old. It’s sad to have to say it, but that’s the truth of it all.
 
It's true, you've never said 1:1 clone, but it could be easily interpreted as so with statements like:
as I'm sure happened to some.
I decided to come forward and get the business screenshots I had with Evil Mark and I will share them here;
Clarification in how accurate TVP is before time of purchase, also Mark admitting that the many issues his TibiaBase shit server had were due to his own changes, hence why over 30 people in my Discord server have not complained a thing due to this very reason, also I always have given support to my people.

I gave support for months to this guy for issues that were never from TVP (like 99% of them) but due to the useless shit he kept pushing in to TVP constantly, hence why every single of his launches was a bug-fest and a crash-fest unlike every other TVP engine being ran which has been smooth.

Now, if you like to bring up Project Fibula, it has only crashed 1 time due to TVP itself, which we take care of and it has been stable since December 14th, 2025.

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In these two screenshots, I've right the history where he kept complaining of bugs with its dates, and the left side the chat where he admitted that none of the issues were from TVP - this is why the repository he has posted even though DOES have many issues, is not getting any of the "many" issues he promised for the community, just like Marcin, this is just for the community to see with the type of people, us, programmers have to deal with, leechers.

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Oh, and one more, there is a lot in this chat.
So if anyone's is as intrigued, you can msg Eric if you like, see if he's happy or not, or ask anyone else from my community.
I am open to answer any questions in DM or Discord and share even further proof and screenshots from this lovely chat.

TL;DR
Evil Mark is a troubled person, who sticks to scammers in the community, literal people that have no human decency who have scammed plenty of people in otland and in OTA and have been banned in there with actual PROOF of scams, but he did not care to work with them.
 

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Where was TVP advertised as a 1:1 clone? That has never been the case, it is the best clone available? Definitely.
Also, I'd like to thank Evil Mark and Marcin, boys have made me get over 3k euro since this was posted here, like literally no joke, bunch of tasks, bug fixing, etc ...

Nostalrius map is sector files from leaked tarball, and so is TVP, that's why they are the same, difference in TVP being that it works with TFS item IDs unlike Nostalrius which works with CipSoft Item IDs.
In this thread there's an image of you saying its a 1:1 99.9% clone. But now when the public has it. You've changed your mind 😆
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I decided to come forward and get the business screenshots I had with Evil Mark and I will share them here;
Clarification in how accurate TVP is before time of purchase, also Mark admitting that the many issues his TibiaBase shit server had were due to his own changes, hence why over 30 people in my Discord server have not complained a thing due to this very reason, also I always have given support to my people.

I gave support for months to this guy for issues that were never from TVP (like 99% of them) but due to the useless shit he kept pushing in to TVP constantly, hence why every single of his launches was a bug-fest and a crash-fest unlike every other TVP engine being ran which has been smooth.

Now, if you like to bring up Project Fibula, it has only crashed 1 time due to TVP itself, which we take care of and it has been stable since December 14th, 2025.

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In these two screenshots, I've right the history where he kept complaining of bugs with its dates, and the left side the chat where he admitted that none of the issues were from TVP - this is why the repository he has posted even though DOES have many issues, is not getting any of the "many" issues he promised for the community, just like Marcin, this is just for the community to see with the type of people, us, programmers have to deal with, leechers.

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Oh, and one more, there is a lot in this chat.
So if anyone's is as intrigued, you can msg Eric if you like, see if he's happy or not, or ask anyone else from my community.
I am open to answer any questions in DM or Discord and share even further proof and screenshots from this lovely chat.

TL;DR
Evil Mark is a troubled person, who sticks to scammers in the community, literal people that have no human decency who have scammed plenty of people in otland and in OTA and have been banned in there with actual PROOF of scams, but he did not care to work with them.

This is completely out of context. He made bugs and issues but you also had a ton of bugs and stock issues you were to proud to solve. Always saying it was a perfect product. We've already reported several issues and started fixing them in my public repo. People can have them for free its an open repo. No need to pay you shit anymore for taking things out of context in a chat.

Dreamweaver was a scammer, many can attest to it. But so are you Ezzz.

This specific conversation was about one feature that you were both working on. It wasnt even a stock issue but another bug created by both you and him.

Also I think we can all agree its more than game beat and lava effects. The entire monster AI is made up out of thin air to seem realistic but its not close to accurate. How monster cast spells, defense, penetration of arrows, even some spells are bugged, skills is completely inaccurate and alot more. You call this half assed 10% product a 97% replica when nothing but the files are accurate when the logic behind the files is completely inaccurate? Hahaha..

The fact that you yourself uploaded a photo of selling an edited open source on a forum that does not allow it and that its been proven to be a total scam lets see what @Don Daniello does about this.
 
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OTLand has become a mess with sociopathic opportunists and gatekeepers. I can't find a single trade made by @Ezzz that does not involve a 10+ page thread full of drama and screenshots of various Discord chat messages. What the actual fuck is happening? He's either the biggest scammer this forum has ever had, or it turns out everyone he's dealing with is a 12 year old ADHD kid.

We need @Mark to come have a look and make his own judgement. He's the owner of OTLand.

His contact details:

 
OTLand has become a mess with sociopathic opportunists and gatekeepers. I can't find a single trade made by @Ezzz that does not involve a 10+ page thread full of drama and screenshots of various Discord chat messages. What the actual fuck is happening? He's either the biggest scammer this forum has ever had, or it turns out everyone he's dealing with is a 12 year old ADHD kid.
Are you crazy?
You're talking about THIS thread, and Nostalrius leak, posted by Amiroo, a Sweden scammer who got a police report on him, and I did scam Amiroo back in 2018 for leaking my stuff and also because he had been stealing from elderly people around Sweden, so go and check that thread again, get your facts straight, but looks like you're just a leecher yourself as well, go get some Omega3, it's vitamin for the brain.

I insist, go check that thread, you will find that it was a favor I did for the community, and in fact; I have never scammed anyone in my life, my own reputation speaks for itself, hence why I am a success, I can smell the envy from back here, coming from someone who hasn't done anything in the community, what else can we expect?
 
Are you crazy?
You're talking about THIS thread, and Nostalrius leak, posted by Amiroo, a Sweden scammer who got a police report on him, and I did scam Amiroo back in 2018 for leaking my stuff and also because he had been stealing from elderly people around Sweden, so go and check that thread again, get your facts straight, but looks like you're just a leecher yourself as well, go get some Omega3, it's vitamin for the brain.

I insist, go check that thread, you will find that it was a favor I did for the community, and in fact; I have never scammed anyone in my life, my own reputation speaks for itself, hence why I am a success, I can smell the envy from back here, coming from someone who hasn't done anything in the community, what else can we expect?

Ezzz, respectfully, stop pointing fingers elsewhere and be more mature. I have no idea who Amiroo or the other people you talk about are. And let's not do some "whataboutism". This thread is about you selling unfinished software and lying about having a close to 1:1 replica of 7.4, everyone has seen your posts about it. It's exhausting to have to continue seeing threads about you, and your insane replies.

Now you even admit to scamming some person back in 2018 and call it "doing a favor for the community". A mature person wouldn't scam them, they would report them if they treated you badly and then ignore them. So now it is obvious you're only here to chase some money. You let your emotions control your entire behavior, which is a huge red flag for anyone making business with you. I literally have no interest in seeing more of your drama. I literally couldn't care less about what someone else did to you back in 2018. I don't know who Amiroo is or what thread you're ever referring to, and it doesn't matter. It's not relevant to this topic.

If everyone you're dealing with ends up making a 10+ pages long thread full of posts and screenshots, then did it ever occur to you that you might be the problem? I don't know what it is you're doing wrong, but you're definitely not doing things right. Perhaps it's the way you talk and say things. You maybe make it unclear to the buyer what it is you're actually selling. Or something else. You need to figure that out.

Any time you write something it's like a 12 year old child wrote it. I can't go 1 day on OTLand without seeing a thread about some of your trades going bad. And it's exhausting. I just want to come here and meet other people who are interested in OpenTibia and open source projects. Nobody wants to see some drama that involves scams and fraud.

I have never seen someone be involved in so much drama.

Serious question: are you on drugs? I'm legit asking, because every reply I get from you is more insane than the previous one. You're talking about something someone did to you 8 years ago, as if it justifies you selling bogus software in 2025/2026? Am I understanding that correctly? It's among the most insane things I've ever read on this forum.

Enough, Ezzz.
 
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Ezzz comes here, blatantly insults everyone while mods and admins do nothing. He even posts proof of selling open source and nothing happens. We make one bump to many and get sent to banera. What's going on?
 
Ezzz comes here, blatantly insults everyone while mods and admins do nothing. He even posts proof of selling open source and nothing happens. We make one bump to many and get sent to banera. What's going on?

Reporting always helps
 
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