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Moving forward

OTLand is an open-source community, and there is nothing wrong with the people who run servers and make money from that, running a server is not essentially free and takes a lot of effort. The problem is when people use free resources such as The Forgotten Server and don't give anything back to the community -- or even worse, try to sell the resources they create.

We need to start working together to move forward. I've been working on The Forgotten Server for free for over 6 years and I've never asked anyone to pay me for a copy. When I see people fork my project, add something to it and sell their additions it demotivates me from continuing to share my improvements to the engine for free.

I'm not going to be nice and expect people to understand what an open-source community is anymore, as of today, I'm closing down the Marketplace board and making it illegal to sell OpenTibia resources on OTLand. If you're in an open-source community to make money, you're at the wrong place. It is still OK to charge for hosting services, and advertising such services should be done in the Jobs forum. Advertising websites where you can buy or sell OpenTibia resources will not be tolerated.

The best way to move forward is by doing it together, and therefore it is important that we help all the newcomers with their questions in hope that they will learn and contribute to the community. The support team has done a good job with that, but there will always be room for improvement. If you cannot contribute with codes or scripts, at least contribute by helping out the newbies in the community!

To encourage developers and end-users of the OpenTibia software to contribute more, I've also closed down the private subversion in favor of an open GitHub repository. While this may result in less donations to OTLand because many were paying for a premium subscription with the intention to get private subversion access rather than supporting OTLand, I will do my best to keep OTLand ad free.

Watch and fork The Forgotten Server at GitHub! If you have made any changes that you feel should be in the official repository, create a pull request.
 
It's been over 11 years since this statement, has anything changed in the OtLand Admins minds, regarding offering paid scripts etc.?

On many discords it's allowed. Also I don't see difference in offering paid services and offering paid/ready scripts.
yeah after all its 2025 now and creating a marketplace of some sort, i mean .. why is it a bad thing
 
I mean open source is great and all but it does not get us anywhere in reality

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight 🤣

Not like open source has ever gotten anyone anywhere.. ever... especially not in the OPEN tibia community... you are so wise...

Another clown speaking nonsense...

Most the innovation in ALL programming lanugages and in every single place that Computer Science is applied, has all came from open source work... but yeah, no.. what do I know, listen to this genius above me, he knows what he is talking about...

Lets take a moment to reflect on some things that are open source, but like the guy above mentions... "doesn't get us anywhere"


-Linux (and therefore any OS built from linux foundations)
-Apache (So pretty much most the world wide web)
-OpenSSL (so the most commonly used advanced, encrypted, connection protocol)
-GNU/GCC/CLang the compiler everyone uses for their linux applications, and the core of everything on linux
-Android
-Firefox
-Git
-Python
-Lua
-Ruby
-C++
-VSCode
-Blender
-LLVM (so pretty much the reason we have decent text based ai's today)
-OpenEMS
-OpenCAD

The list goes on and on and on... but yeah, I'm sure you guys don't use any of these things... right?

Oh one more for good measure, so you don't forget where tf you are at..

OPEN TIBIA and therefore TFS, and every single open tibia out there, all existing because of open source....

Ok, end rant.

TLDR; Stop spewing pure ignorance, stop hating... stop trolling... and please stop making new accounts just to stir up some shit (idler)
 
yeah thats why resource tab in this forum is really booming meanwhile other forums are not suffering from it its totally not like the people are already creating paywall within community as its main pillar(otacademy) and anybody is not willing to help anyone in support (only few freshers who still have positive attitude towards people while others pile them beside sh*t just for asking a question via discord dm?) I am talking about the real reflection of what the community here has become while we see great collaboration on brasilian sites in europe everything started being ruled by money because everything is expensive and economy is totally not ruined yet huh? can't wait for oil prices after hearing the great recent news of america stepping in for freedom in middleeast. just wait and watch the % in the banks going now that they really need money.


seems like its only gonna hurt some peoples interest if we actually have a free trade here based on crowdfunding or the less known Bounties that we used to do?

Don't really understand what your problem with Idler is exactly you must really have some personal problems you must know him really well in person to have such level of hatred for a person you don't even know it is crazy how emotional this forum became. It's nearly as if that is the only thing that is keeping you all here is emotions of hatred to this game and other people.

what do I even expect from a toxic waste of community that this game created people getting killed over game items mothers beat over electricitiy purges. this game really must have been made by the devil himself honestly if that is the kind of people it is bringing here.
Please stop making accounts and trolling this site. If you hate it so fucking much, then STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT.

I think I speak for everyone when I say we are fucking tired of you using this place as a public griefing and troll zone for yourself, and tired of reading your spewed ignorance all over the forums
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idler speaks about himself in third person hahahahahha 😭 😭 😭 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
meanwhile, he has a link to his project in the signature, and is on here spewing ingorant nonsense, as well as using an account with less than 50 posts, as if we are all too dumb to see through his disguise... again...
 
meanwhile, he has a link to his project in the signature, and is on here spewing ingorant nonsense, as well as using an account with less than 50 posts, as if we are all too dumb to see through his disguise... again...
😭 😭 😭 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

It's like im creating a new account and put my archezOt signature on it and saying im not marko
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

He has some serious problems in his rme head for sure
Im suprised he doesn't get tired or creating new accounts over and over

Edit: I hope he doesn't create a new account with my signature now :/
 
😭 😭 😭 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

It's like im creating a new account and put my archezOt signature on it and saying im not marko
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

He has some serious problems in his rme head for sure
Im suprised he doesn't get tired or creating new accounts over and over
What's absolutely next level delusional, is he truly believes he has the intellectual superiority over myself and others who shun him for his trolling behavior.. and why.. because he got a reaction out of me in all caps an curse words? XDDDDDDDDDD


Meanwhile, ban hammer incoming, for yet another idler troll account... will he ever learn? Find out next week, here on otland.net!
 
This Ilder clown somehow managed to top even Samuel’s stupidity and that was already legendary. @samuel157 was slow and clueless, but he at least tried to act normal. This new buffoon can’t even fake it. 😂😂 It's peak levels of troll: like Samuel on steroids with zero common sense, dropped straight into Otland. Same circus, clown with an upgrade of idiocy. 🤡💀
 
i login to check in on otland every now and again and yeah, its been in a null state since like 2015?
not allowing the sale of resources has rendered this website paraplegic, losing to an unorganized mess of discords

the open source philosophy just doesn't work in practice, especially in such a p2w market of a p2w game in a p2w gaming era
incentives do not align with market forces, youre just accepting taking the L

otland will go the way of otfans, at some point.

the solution is to evolve with the times and have a proper, modern opentibia paid resource market
otland would then take a tiny % cut, and you have your free market forces that incentivize quality content and revenue to keep the site going
idk just seems so obvious, but i guess there isn't any will or passion from Mark in this space anymore, 9-5 dev job will give you 100x the revenue of whatever the hell this space could ever hope for
 
losing to an unorganized mess of discords

I'm not sure which discords you are visiting, but just because they have a "high" member count don't mean jack smack... Those discords are pretty well all 10x as dead as this forum... really, it's not about the "forum" or the "discords"... its the member count for the community.. and it's the Canary Community that has any real action to it anymore, and now they are starting to slow down and die off too... and you know why that is??? Because they started pay walling the work they were doing... 🤷‍♂️

Mark had it correct when he said it was a bad thing to make money a priority in this community... this community didn't fucking die off because he failed to allow such a thing, it died off BECAUSE of the money obsession and motivation CAUSED by OTCV8, IT'S HOARD OF BOT USERS, AND ALL THAT MONEY HE (KONDRA) MADE SHIFTING EVERYONE TOWARDS GREED INSTEAD OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

For all you users who have observed or been a part of the OT community for so long, and still think that Mark was wrong, I don't know what world you were living in, honestly... Shame on you! Anyone with half a brain, and was here for it, knows that once the money became the main motivation for creating OT servers, is when the "open source contributions" and "shared scripts" completely slowed down... people stopped helping each other, gatekeeping became the norm, and everyone became focused with "competition" against one another rather than focusing on building good software with each others help.


The truth is, the money completely killed the community... to the point that the only way it could be possibly revived is through exactly that motivation, money... which is sad, so very very sad...
 
its been in a null state since like 2015
What

losing to an unorganized mess of discords
You mean otacademy?
Most people are using it to make money and the only people that help for free there are the same persons always.. its like a handful

the solution is to evolve with the times and have a proper, modern opentibia paid resource market
otland would then take a tiny % cut, and you have your free market forces that incentivize quality content and revenue to keep the site going

That would be the downfall for sure
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Yeah sure the money is the motivation totally not the fact that new games come out people make families and tibia is evolving and killing otservers its all moneys fault! if not for money we would still be with otclientv1 no cool modules UIs or even optimizations what a fun world would that be I only imagine.
Money brings progress quicker. crowdfunding is the answer.

even without the $ people still trade modules /optimizations / improvements in the background. no real market on otland is what ruins the community with people selling and profiting off of stolen work and bugged code that they do not ever revision even after making 50 sales of 100$ each.

Idler u trying to sell chatgpt scripts and then you ask for donations after you help someone that has no clue of scripting at all ( like you ) 😂 keep going 🔥
 
What


You mean otacademy?
Most people are using it to make money and the only people that help for free there are the same persons always.. its like a handful



That would be the downfall for sure
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Idler u trying to sell chatgpt scripts and then you ask for donations after you help someone that has no clue of scripting at all ( like you ) 😂 keep going 🔥
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once the money became the main motivation for creating OT servers
And then they shit on us for selling scripts, that in no way would help this community progress. And for what? Because they want to start their OTS with P2W item shop and make 10x than the cost of our scripts? So instead of investing they just want all the shit for free, claiming it's for the sake of open source community? Ridiculous...
 
And then they shit on us for selling scripts, that in no way would help this community progress. And for what? Because they want to start their OTS with P2W item shop and make 10x than the cost of our scripts? So instead of investing they just want all the shit for free, claiming it's for the sake of open source community? Ridiculous...

I think you misunderstood him :D
First of all...
There will always be greedy people who just want free stuff :D nothing you can really do about that. But calling everyone a "leecher" is meehh..
No one is against selling things, but a lot of people are against those who only sell their stuff and don't contribute anything to the open tibia forum at all
What's the point of having an open tibia ( open source ) forum if you're just going to allow everyone to sell their scripts for crazy prices (which you do as well and other people on discord) ?
If you ask me, there’s still a big difference between selling a donation set for 10 Euro 10x times and selling a simple otc module for 200 Euro 10x times.
What I’ve noticed many times is that people sell bugged scripts and then charge again for fixing those bugs ( I don't mean you ) and that's ridiculous
Just let Otland be as it is, and let OTAcademy remain a paradise for making easy money :D
 
But calling everyone a "leecher" is meehh
Who is calling everyone leechers? Putting words inside peoples mouth is meh.

No one is against selling things, but a lot of people are against those who only sell their stuff and don't contribute anything to the open tibia forum at all
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Because we can code does it mean that we have to do it for free for any open source project ever? Learn how to code yourself and start contributing then. Also tell me how many open source solutions have you supported financially? Because I'm 100% confident that you (and a lot of people, even me) are using at least few of them, daily.

What's the point of having an open tibia ( open source ) forum if you're just going to allow everyone to sell their scripts
Open source this, open source that. What the hell are you losing if we sell scripts and modules without contributing to OT projects? How in the world does this affect you in any way? Or does every sale I make remove some part of TFS code and it's gone forever? Or does one child in the world die? I don't understand this hate towards us.

for crazy prices (which you do as well and other people on discord)
Are you mad because you can't afford something? If the prices are so crazy how come people are buying them constantly? A lot of sellers have lower prices than me and yet they can't sell anything (and if they do, then I only hear about how bad their products are).

If you ask me, there’s still a big difference between selling a donation set for 10 Euro 10x times and selling a simple otc module for 200 Euro 10x times.
Well yeah, the difference would be 1900 euro (lol). But seriously, you think that this is how it works? Servers sell 10 euro sets 10x and that's it? Have you ever talked with a server owner that had more than 10 players online? These people can afford new car and apartment just from the donations. Numbers are way higher than what I make on the side from my modules. You have no idea how many people asked me why the hell I don't have my own server because I would make $$$$ from some custom evo with my modules.

then charge again for fixing those bugs ( I don't mean you )
The issue is not with these devs but with people that don't throw light on them. I've heard numerous complains about known devs that bring bad quality and customer service to the table. But what do their customers do? Nothing. Instead of publicly shaming them and giving negative review, they just sit quietly. Also thanks for pointing out you don't mean me, I'm actually with you and it makes me angry how these devs behave.
 
Who is calling everyone leechers? Putting words inside peoples mouth is meh.

Yeah, my bad

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Because we can code does it mean that we have to do it for free for any open source project ever? Learn how to code yourself and start contributing then. Also tell me how many open source solutions have you supported financially? Because I'm 100% confident that you (and a lot of people, even me) are using at least few of them, daily.

Im not saying everything should be released for free, but Otland has turned into something really weird and honestly just cringe. People ask for a simple solution, and instead of helping, scripter just keep charging them for it and this happend when money became a thing?
( maybe im just dumb and can't see that we just grow up and everything has changed )

Are you mad because you can't afford something? If the prices are so crazy how come people are buying them constantly? A lot of sellers have lower prices than me and yet they can't sell anything (and if they do, then I only hear about how bad their products are).

If someone makes money from something and it makes you mad, you're probably doing something wrong in your own life :D
Im happy if people can do good money
( I just tried to say in my opinion the prices are to high but w/e )

Well yeah, the difference would be 1900 euro (lol). But seriously, you think that this is how it works? Servers sell 10 euro sets 10x and that's it? Have you ever talked with a server owner that had more than 10 players online? These people can afford new car and apartment just from the donations. Numbers are way higher than what I make on the side from my modules. You have no idea how many people asked me why the hell I don't have my own server because I would make $$$$ from some custom evo with my modules.

Yeah you right I've used a bad example

The issue is not with these devs but with people that don't throw light on them. I've heard numerous complains about known devs that bring bad quality and customer service to the table. But what do their customers do? Nothing. Instead of publicly shaming them and giving negative review, they just sit quietly. Also thanks for pointing out you don't mean me, I'm actually with you and it makes me angry how these devs behave.

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I don't understand this hate towards us.

To be clear, I harbor no hatred, nor discontent, or any other malicious feelings towards users who are "selling code".
I don't blame individuals who seek monetary value for their work, for the state of this community.
I merely stood up to defend the outlandish statement that "open source never got anyone anywhere", and the attacks on Talaturen for his decision to have kept otland as a place separate from the "market" side of this open tibia world.

Admittedly, kondra caught a stray in that line of defense, but that was because he was THE man who changed the community immensely and permanently, and his influence directly correlates to my defense of the attacks aimed at Talaturen.


To be very clear, my stance is this:
There is nothing wrong with seeking monetary value for one's own work, and they shouldn't be shunned for doing so...
However, that being said, with the mindset of the developers (speaking on the OT server END USERS), being that of a purely profit mindset, is what killed the old "sharing" and "building each others work up", spirit, which used to embody this OPEN tibia community.

I think a few people have taken my words and stance to the extreme, and have been believing I just hate anyone who sells OT scripts, modules, or codes... this is not at all true, in fact, with how competitive as this scene has become, people are honestly truly lucky to even have any devs offering to sell anything, let alone do the work on installing it and supporting it... I just wished it was how it used to be, where the devs were competing for views on their shared script systems, or source edits.... but those days are long passed.

** please note: I also used the word "dev" to refer to a person who is developing a server, but also for a person who just writes code for the server, be that frontend or backend, in addtion and after, where I specifically clarified dev to mean end user of a server.
 
Nah guys, the perspective on people not helping enough exists only because tibia is old enough to remember times when everything was free and had a lot of active people. Right now times changed forever and community isn't large enough to have multiple people coding complex shit for fun for free.

Worst of all i hate when someone forces it upon you and thinks you're the problem meanwhile they just share some random paint sprites thinking they help. Most of people doing stuff for money also shared the most for the community.
Look at Oen: custom upgrade system, teleports, cursed chests, minor otc changes, mostly helping if you ask nicely on discord, and definitely helping on otland.

Im relatively new to coding but still with oskar we literally made zone system, i uploaded radio module, he uploaded his store module for free and various learning materials if you looked closely on discord.

We can afford sharing some code because we are constantly coding and not everything is meant to be monetized. Also we who sell the code also help on otland with random questions.

Times changed, code is still shared, community is smaller thats why it seems like everyone only sells stuff, but thats not true we are all here building this community.
 
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