Complaint on Don Daniello

HalfAway · Sep 29, 2014

Hello!

I'm writing this because nothing is happening and Don Daniello can just do whatever he want and walk away.

As you might know/seen I have my own thread in Jobs Section "HalfAway's Hosting Service", I'm doing it completly free.
(trying to boost the usage of TFS 1.0 and ZnoteAAC and also custom servers in general)
All they have to do is to apply and show me some information about their server.

I'm trying to get the thread know to people so sometimes I bump the thread, and so does some other users that is happy with my service.

To the point:
Today I got a "Inappropriate Advertising / Spam" conversation from Don Daniello:

Direct Link: http://2.ii.gl/hiJwzRQw.png

This is how my thread looks like now:

hehemidu · Sep 29, 2014

Don Daniello said:
Facts:
- 31 points having "BUMP" as the only content were removed from your post (actually merged with the first one to show you how it looks)
- posts that had other content than "BUMP" were not removed, you can still find them in your thread
- every user who posted a few bumps received 1 warning, not just you
- you (@HalfAway) posted about 5 of those bare-bones "BUMP"s yourself, you did not get punished for others

Intepretatation:
- a "warning" is not a punishment (a banishment is), it serves a purpose of educating you about our standards
- "BUMP" without any valuable content is not allowed, ever. Not even every 24 hours.
- If you post two in a shorter period of time than 24 hours, then you automatically deserve a warning/ban. If you make your thread look like a bunch of bumps, it does not look good, nor does it have any value. The reason your thread was cleaned was that out of 6 pages, 2 were completely useless.

The bottom line is: done bump like crazy. Nobody likes scrolling through pages of bumps. If you do it once or twice, you can probably get away with that. If 20% of your thread is just bumps, it is a problem.

this is total BS really... Never and Never did i hear of this rule, bumping a thread is just a way to show appreciation and hope that someone else with cool ideas and custom servers find the awesome service halfaway is giving. The fact that a lot of people bump it (without Halfaway even asking) shows that a lot of people care and think its a good idea.

Imo u just are afraid of the customers ur losing and thought: lets do something about it. U better use ur mod position to do some good instead of only using it for your own gain.

Good bye
ps. i didnt get warning and i bumped the thread a lot...

Tibiamakers · Sep 29, 2014

http://otland.net/threads/otlist-net-a-revolution-for-creators-players.201378/

Here you got the most bumped thread I have ever seen in all the forums I am/been active, you got some couple hours of work if you have to join all the post saying daily bump and that stuff

poopsiedoodle · Sep 30, 2014

Don Daniello said:
"BUMP" without any valuable content is not allowed, ever. Not even every 24 hours..

Where the fuck are my warnings then? I do that all the time.

Damon · Sep 30, 2014

Oh my, what's happening here again.
This for sure would be a worst case scenario assuming DonDaniello, an Otland Staff member, did really abuse his power in order to promote his hosting service or more rather get rid of HalfAways. Now just having randomly found this discussion i will have to take my time to read into this in order to fully grasp the circumstances and therefor can't give my statement yet. From just shortly reading into HalfAways accusation i have a rough idea what this is about and also DonDaniellos reply is something i will look further into. Though it might seem legit at first glance, it might turn out to be invalid if there exist threads of the same (bumping) matter which have been dealt differently with.
As for now, i can understand HalfAway being upset about this and if the power abuse is true totally side with him, however let's have a further look into this before juding anyone.

The main reason why i posted is just to remind everybody to keep the heads cool, and argue without hatred in order to solve this dispute to both parties satisfaction asap

Kind regards,
Damon

Snooby · Sep 30, 2014

owned said:
This wasn't a literal might i was trusting you could figure that out.

And who trusts we can figure it out? Just you? As far as this situation looks @HalfAway Seems to be the only person that received that warning when many people have bumped threads many times, but hey I'm sure it's coincidence right?

He wrote that he gave warnings to more than just one person.

owned · Sep 30, 2014

Snooby said:
He wrote that he gave warnings to more than just one person.

I'm talking based on more than one thread other than halfaways.

Snooby · Sep 30, 2014

Could someone please explain how he is promoting his own service by cleaning up BUMP posts in Halfaway's thread? Its not like the thread will drop to page 17 if he removes old posts xD

poopsiedoodle · Sep 30, 2014

owned said:
This wasn't a literal might i was trusting you could figure that out.

Summ · Sep 30, 2014

The biggest overreaction I have seen in a long time. He cleaned the thread from BUMP posts and merged them into one.
How is that in any way related to his own service? How did @HalfAway suffer any disadvantage in regards to his service, or @DonDaniello any advantage?

It seems like I tend to give out a warning less often in these cases. It still remains only a warning, also not everybody getting a simple warning creates a thread and thus you can hardly tell how many people get one.

Peroxide · Sep 30, 2014

Don Daniello said:
Facts:
- 31 posts having "BUMP" as the only content were removed from your post (actually merged with the first one to show you how it looks)
- posts that had other content than "BUMP" were not removed, you can still find them in your thread
- every user who posted a few bumps received 1 warning, not just you
- you (@HalfAway) posted about 5 of those bare-bones "BUMP"s yourself, you did not get punished for others

Intepretatation:
- a "warning" is not a punishment (a banishment is), it serves a purpose of educating you about our standards
- "BUMP" without any valuable content is not allowed, ever. Not even every 24 hours.
- If you post two in a shorter period of time than 24 hours, then you automatically deserve a warning/ban. If you make your thread look like a bunch of bumps, it does not look good, nor does it have any value. The reason your thread was cleaned was that out of 6 pages, 2 were completely useless.

The bottom line is: done bump like crazy. Nobody likes scrolling through pages of bumps. If you do it once or twice, you can probably get away with that. If 20% of your thread is just bumps, it is a problem.

You should be warning a lot of people then, most people just post "bump". I'm glad you didn't completely overreact, I agree on your point that no one likes scrolling through pages of bumps. If that's the case for your reason, just delete the bumps and no warning required. OtLand could very well find a 'bump button' though I doubt it will happen..

From what I recall though people are allowed to bump regardless of what is being mentioned, the only rule I ever heard of was 1x every 24 hours.

Evan · Sep 30, 2014

Summ said:
The biggest overreaction I have seen in a long time. He cleaned the thread from BUMP posts and merged them into one.
How is that in any way related to his own service? How did @HalfAway suffer any disadvantage in regards to his service, or @DonDaniello any advantage?

It seems like I tend to give out a warning less often in these cases. It still remains only a warning, also not everybody getting a simple warning creates a thread and thus you can hardly tell how many people get one.

In addition to this, it's not like @HalfAway's thread fell off the first page of the Jobs board. Anyone can go to the Jobs board and still see the thread on the first page even if nothing has been posted for a few days. So, it may be totally unnecessary to consistently "BUMP" your thread if it hasn't really moved anywhere.

7804364 · Sep 30, 2014

Don Danielle Is corrupt, he changed the thread board jobs to have his hosting service right on the top, he does not care about this community only to suck the money out of it to support his company and if you get into it, he will FLEX his E-Bicep.

Evil Puncker · Sep 30, 2014

@Mark @kornholi

just add to rules:

- No bumping if thread is still in the first page

AND FOR THE F*CKING SAKE, ADD THE MERGE THING THAT VBULLETIN HAD THAT WOULD MERGE POSTS IF LESS THAN 24 HOURS SINCE LAST POST!!!1111!!1!br

Eldin · Sep 30, 2014

People react by the situation itself, some overreact and some not, to even put all the Bumps in HalfAways well orginazed first post (the thread itself) would make most people angry (or atleast me) as its more of an insult. Even if the intention might have been to nicely not delete and remove all the posts, and instead putting them into the first one, its still not a nice move, HalfAways thread now looks like a joke.

Again, if the intention was nice and Don feels that it was rightfully done, then I suggest him to to exactly the same in his own thread as its nothing bad about it. Right?
Clearing out pure bumps is great in my oppinion, just not the way it was done this time.

The reason why people also react is the way it looks, everyone can see that two people are having their hosting services while one is a moderator and one is not. The one without the Power that gives the Community great free services might not have been kicked yet, but pointed at, that is a fact. Love to you all folks.

Kind Regards,
Eldin.

Peroxide · Sep 30, 2014

EldinWorld said:
HalfAways thread now looks like a joke.

Again, if the intention was nice and Don feels that it was rightfully done, then I suggest him to to exactly the same in his own thread as its nothing bad about it. Right?
Clearing out pure bumps is great in my opinion, just not the way it was done this time.

Don can put it back to the way it was, by selecting the posts older bb code in post history. Would be good.
Also agreed on the second point

poopsiedoodle · Sep 30, 2014

Maybe a delete button would be nice for people to have so that we could avoid this sort of situation completely. Just maybe.

Cornex · Sep 30, 2014

Don Daniello said:
- "BUMP" without any valuable content is not allowed, ever. Not even every 24 hours.

It is only me that never heard of this "rule" before? Then Don, please clean up all threads in advs etc. (You'll have a lot of work to do)

MadMOOK · Sep 30, 2014

Don Daniello said:
Might or is? Did you read the whole thread?

No, it's not written anywhere. We trust you can figure it out yourself.

If there is no RULE ANYWHERE ON THE SUBJECT then you can't just go around POWER ABUSING. Your just selfish that's all Don. Its ugly to be that way.

Limos · Sep 30, 2014

To avoid some misunderstandings about personal reasons for Don Daniello to remove the bumps in that thread, this is a post he made a while ago.

Don Daniello said:
Bumping with a "bump" is never allowed. You can "refresh" the thread by adding more info if it carries substantial information to validate a new post instead of an edit.

I think it might be good to have clear rules around this to avoid this kind of situations.

Peroxide · Sep 30, 2014

Limos said:
To avoid some misunderstandings about personal reasons for Don Daniello to remove the bumps in that thread, this is a post he made a while ago.

I think it might be good to have clear rules around this to avoid this kind of situations.

This quote from Don could be from anywhere (I assume it's on staff/premium board as I cannot view it) but regardless there's nothing here
> http://otland.net/help/terms

Before XenForo we had a complete page full of rules, would be good to get them up again so the staff can actually refer to something.

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