OtLand Please do not bite the newcomers - Newcomers Welcome Policy

Evan

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3. Split the community? Yeah, I can agree. But how come OTland wont make 1 great stable distro that every made script and things will work for? Instead, you make different free versions, different paid versions with different functions aswells as bugs. Thats what I call a split community. Does Apple make like others with their phone? No. They stick with 1 version and update it. Guess what? They rule the market.
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Eldin.
As far as I know, the dev team is working to get the 0.2 branch to be compatible with 0.3 datapacks.
 

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If thats true, I'll be fapping all weekend. ;)

Kind Regards,
Eldin.
 
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Does Apple make like others with their phone? No. They stick with 1 version and update it. Guess what? They rule the market.
If each of you paid ~$500 every year for one, new TFS version I am sure it would just work.

But I don't see how Apple is similar to Otland...
 

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And the people woke up and attacks on whatever small note they can find, congratulations.
Can give ya another example if its to hard to understand my point, feel free to ask. :)

Kind Regards,
Eldin.

Edit: What you just wrote to "put me in place" (rofl) is exactly why this thread is needed and sadly got created.
 
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tibia need to advertise more <_< 13k online right now. On runescape it was 50k.

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If each of you paid ~$500 every year for one, new TFS version I am sure it would just work.

But I don't see how Apple is similar to Otland...
create a massive tfs version and sell it every year :p
 

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Everyone has been so lovely to me so far, I'm still considered a new comer
 

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EldinWorld, +1 for your post one page ago, couldn't agree more.

As I reached the end of Dons post the final nail was slamed into my OT coffin.

I just want to add my 2 cents here, since I'm involved since 2005 with OTs (scripting, mapping, hosting) and this will be my "good bye" post.

8 years ago I was an 18 years old dude who loved to play games and eventually got interested in "how do you build a game?".
That's when I rememberd that I once found a forum called "OT F A N S" where people made those games, they programed and hacked like madmans so people playing the original CipSoft Crapshit didn't have to pay their hard earned money to play a freaking game.

I was so proud and moved by those men and women contributing their time and knowledge to create something for other people to enjoy, !FOR FUCKING FREE! and rise up against those greedy bastards stealing peoples money for nothing. It's the god damn 20th century, the WWW was the limitless fortress where ideas were forged with blood, tears, sweat and hard work.
It was the time when I became interested in LUA, C++, PHP, mapping my own piece and forge something together, for just one sake, to let people enjoy it FOR FREE!
There were also times when I got stuck with my capabilities, my knowledge was too little too less to solve some problems on my own.
That's when those men and women stepped up and guided me into the right direction, helped me out when I was in need of help.
I was so gratefull back then, I admired them for their knowledge but also respected them from the bottom of my heart for their contribution.
That was the time when I realized "I want to become like them!" and I worked my ass off to achieve this goal.
Working, scripting, mapping, sleeping, working, scripting, mapping, sleeping,.... I didn't want to waste any time and rise up to my idols.
I wanted to treat new people discovering the limitless potential of scripting and mapping with their blood and sweat like those men and women treated me, with respect.
They respected me for working as hard as them to keep going towards my goal, they respected me for learning everything I had to know in order take the next step, they respected me for contributing my tiny 20 line action script (it just moved a fucking stone forth and back).


But those men and women grew up. They became parents, moved on with their lifes, switched jobs / games, had to carry more responsibility and by the time "outgrew" Tibia and the OT community.


It was the time, when I stepped up a little bit and tried my best to help everyone who got interested in the OT community.
But as time passed, I found myself confronted with strange threads ... "Donation system!" "How to put a SMS shop up?" "Donation sword help! rep++"
Well, since donations are widely used to cover the expensive renting fees and to make sure that a server was kept up, I couldn't see anything bad happening.... little did I know.

Everything else is an old story.
Greed, money, disrespect, stealing, cracking, DDoSing, flaming, trolling, botting ... BOOM!
What the fuck happend ... simple ... the next generation took over.


Why the hell am I writing this?
Those newcomers, dear Don, you want to put your hopes in and want to treat like maybe you were treated back in the days, politely and respectfull, DO NOT DESERVE IT!
I'll go even further and say that the "next generation" is full of lazy assholes with no respect for each other.
There are, ofcourse, exceptions! I do not want to throw everyone in the same pot, so don't feel offended if you, dear newcomer / old user / what ever, read this.

If you want to be treated with respect then treat others the same way.


To you, dear newcomer, if you ever happen to read this,

OpenTibia was created to free the world from those pay to play bastards.
If you want to earn money then get a fucking job!


BUT DO NOT TOUCH THE SACRED WORK OF THOSE HONORED MEN AND WOMEN WHO PUT THEIR ALL AND EVERYTHING IN, TO MAKE THIS WORLD A LITTLE BIT BETTER!


I cannot accept your new rule, OTLand, therefor I'll take my leave.

Just one last thing...
I'm aware that nothing will change with this rule, dear moderators, ... are you?
 
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@Zyntax
I agree with what you wrote, but I don't understand what you do now...
You decided to leave because I wanted to encourage you (all of you) to be more helpful towards newcomers? And I of course meant those "good guys" that you distinguish from the "greedy ones". I didn't force you to do anything.
 

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@Zyntax
I agree with what you wrote, but I don't understand what you do now...
You decided to leave because I wanted to encourage you (all of you) to be more helpful towards newcomers? And I of course meant those "good guys" that you distinguish from the "greedy ones". I didn't force you to do anything.
I lean back, take a nip of my beer and start to focus on new goals in my life, if you want to know it exactly ;)

Those good guys you're talking about, you can count them with one of your hands.
God be my witness, the ~5 guys/girls are in very good hands, they know how to play the game and already have their tutors, mentors and friends, experienced and respected members from OTLand.

The other 12.948,... let's call them "Leechers", got what they deserved, flames, trolls and disrespect.

I'd really like to start a revolte against that rule of yours and "fight" against MODs, Admins and the banishment system, but my time is over and I don't want to cause you any troubles, you're a nice guy after all ;)

If you still have something to say then let's take that to PMs.
 

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With all due respect zyntax.. It's ppl like you that indirectly encourage leechers. No1 has the patience to get them through the transition of being spoonfed to learning. It may take a hell of a lot of time but 1 by 1 the community will begin to improve.

Nothing better than to begin at the top. They are not the problem it is us who lack the patience to help them properly that are the problem.
 

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We all have lives, more important things to do and a lot of other 'adult stuff' that sucks. But it's pretty sad to just completely throw away what you have done, what gave you fun etc. Even if 'some' people are just immature brats that care only about money. My goal is to show that you can achieve something. That server can be great, give a lot of fun to players without need to milk them. Or their parents. Solving algorithmic problems is one of last things that give me happiness and let me forget about cruel reality. I have decided to leave this community behind few times already, but it attracts me anyway. Even if most of people can just spam, there are some guys that simply have to be respected. And they are many. Old ones, new ones...
 

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Most of the OT community was formed few years ago, staying in the game till now. At the start everyone did everything for free, because they still had their hands in their pants watching internet porn and doing maths homework - today people grew up and their responsibilities grew up too leading to the need of money. And this is why most of the servers are based on cash. Simple as that, if there won't be new young people coming most of the servers are just gonna be money-makers, not fun-makers.

@down - possibly

#kos
 
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not really
new people, about 13 yo are coming into OT
and THEY want to make money
and they want to make money by downloading and hosting ready servers

and thats the problem

spotting a unicorn.
oh, you made my day
 
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Most of the OT community was formed few years ago, staying in the game till now. At the start everyone did everything for free, because they still had their hands in their pants watching internet porn and doing maths homework - today people grew up and their responsibilities grew up too leading to the need of money. And this is why most of the servers are based on cash. Simple as that, if there won't be new young people coming most of the servers are just gonna be money-makers, not fun-makers.

#kos
Lol I'm still doing everything for people for free, I'm in this community since day when they updated tibia to 7.6
Even if I release something awesome nobody would really care till they notice how much money they can make on that data, what makes me sad.
I still remember times when only 20% of servers or less had dedicated server and 100% uptime, finding a server with sms shop was like spotting a unicorn.
Today it's impossible to find good classic fun server as these ones between 7.6 and 8.2 without all these shitty events, because everyone who is still in otservers wants money

I'm not even sure if players still would appreciate server with "classic fun" as in beginning. 11 years changed this community.
 

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No one plays servers with less than 99% uptime anymore. Most servers were home hosted during after school til morning times.. That's what's changed, everyone wants dedicated, no one wants a half hosted server anymore
 
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