OtLand Please do not bite the newcomers - Newcomers Welcome Policy

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+1 for the RTFM and the friends (mostly STFW "search the fucking web" -> "use the search button"), they're overused and should be avoided.
 

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This is no time for OpenTibia to die! Not when so much potential has been opened up by OTClient.


Fuck real map servers. They're like morning glory vines... Killing all the flowers and vegetables in your garden, and ruining your fence.
It feels worse than the cancer that is killing /b/ :(

I know I've been no saint with my treatment of the neophytes and the inept. I'll do my best to foster a more patient and helpful demeanor. I've put in far too many hours hobby coding and helping the noobs here to just sit back and watch the whole community atrophy and decay.

To quote some corny ass 90s movie {Dangerous Minds}, "You have to rage against the dying of the light!"
 

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Im playing real tibia, but i know what OTs are like and OTs WONT DIE NOW!
Especcially not if Lordaeron comes online ^^
 

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I don't think that'll ever happen though, people play 8.6 because they want client with working elfbot.. Sad but true
 

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It's starting to become a reality, real map servers are actually killing open-tibia.

People are becoming more interested into making the same god damn 8.6 real map servers,
while people are being less interested in playing open-tibia because there is nothing but stupid-ass real map servers.
Perhaps if someone like Xinn did away with all the 8.6 real map servers on his server list (let's face it, it's the most widely used) instead of promoting his real maps to hell, they would die real quick.
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It's really sad, these download and run 8.6 real maps are getting a ton of players while custom maps which people work really hard to get done and up running gets barely no players at all and die out quickly all because people seem to LOVE 8.6 real maps. I'm a custom map lover, i love to explore new areas and quests but it's no fun with the low amount of players they usually get :/
 
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Perhaps if someone like Xinn did away with all the 8.6 real map servers on his server list (let's face it, it's the most widely used) instead of promoting his real maps to hell, they would die real quick.
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And lose servers that pay ~$300 per month to adverise? NEVER!
 

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Life is not all about money -.-
Then take those 300$ out of your pocket and pay him to not display those ads. Easy demanding things when it's not you who has to pay...
 

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There is also another problem I would like to discuss and I am sure you are already aware of that. During past few years Tibia has become deeply "commercialised business". Some or most(?) of you are trying to make money on it. There is a difference between getting donations (even for your work if players want to donate more than the cost of running the server) and making money on it, especially in case of Download'n'Run servers. OpenTibia community is supposed to be "open", Otserv and TFS are "free" (both meanings) software and the whole idea was once non-profit. We cannot force you to change it, but it will crash one day... You cannot keep selling pixels (yes, you are not accepting donations, you're just selling virtual stuff) in a 2D, 15 years old game forever! Especially when you don't add any value yourself (Download'n'Run). You have heard "rumours" (confirmed) that we might/will close the Marketplace board (which creation was controversial in the first place). We cannot control what you do but we won't make it easier for you to destroy the initial idea of opennes.
that's hypocrisy coming from who sells private access to private svn
and NO, no are NOT trying to get less problems, you are trying to get money
 
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that's hypocrisy coming from who sells private access to private svn
and NO, no are NOT trying to get less problems, you are trying to get money
if you think that we only allow access to the Private SVN if your a Donator to make money then you are 100% wrong, the Private SVN is used to keep track of the current development of TFS, the reason why it is private is because most of those versions aren't stable, hence not ready to be released to the public, or do you really want your server crashing every now and then?
We allow Donators access to it because we also need testers to see if everything is going ok, but if we open it to the public and everyone uses it, we'll have more threads saying "plz tfs 0.4 doenst work, help fast rep++" then you can count, which will only hurt more then help
 

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if you think that we only allow access to the Private SVN if your a Donator to make money then you are 100% wrong, the Private SVN is used to keep track of the current development of TFS, the reason why it is private is because most of those versions aren't stable, hence not ready to be released to the public, or do you really want your server crashing every now and then?
We allow Donators access to it because we also need testers to see if everything is going ok, but if we open it to the public and everyone uses it, we'll have more threads saying "plz tfs 0.4 doenst work, help fast rep++" then you can count, which will only hurt more then help
if you are really worried about support threads, sell official support, not the complete stuff, as a illegal tibia program did some time ago
and why not to have more "testers"?
 

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we are not here to sell anything...
too many testers will lead to repeated bug reports and if we open it to the public, 95% of the people would be more interested in just running it on their server instead of being worried about reporting bugs, hence why it was left closed for donators only
 
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if you are really worried about support threads, sell official support, not the complete stuff, as a illegal tibia program did some time ago
and why not to have more "testers"?
Can you rephrase that?
 

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Had a hard time understanding it too, I think he means that we should have paid official support for TFS
or smthing like that, not really sure either o_O
that's it

we are not here to sell anything...
too many testers will lead to repeated bug reports and if we open it to the public, 95% of the people would be more interested in just running it on their server instead of being worried about reporting bugs, hence why it was left closed for donators only
well, I'm not sure but people may be interested in reporting bugs as they will want (or need) them fixed
 

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that's it
well, I'm not sure but people may be interested in reporting bugs as they will want (or need) them fixed
The term donation, have you heard of it? Donations are given without return consideration, OtLand isn't forcing anyone to buy donator. In return you just so happen to get private svn access and other benefits to say thank you. Well that's how I see it anyway.
 

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Well, for people who don't know too much about OT or programming at all access to prv svn can do only more harm I guess
0.2 is intended to be able to clone Cipbia right? So all the realmappers should be able to "achieve" everything with it anyway. And if someone whants more he can simply add missing features if he can.
It is sooooo annoying that they "donate" just to grab latest development rev and then cry that it is somehow unstable
And they do it on Polish Board or in support using language worse than spitted out by google translate.

But lets return back to the main topic:
I don't want to harm newcomers, but if I can see that his question was answered few times in his topic and he still cries that means that he just want to earn money without even trying to learn anything. And I would preffer to perma ignore people like that.
But if someone shows at least a bit of will to learn then we should somehow reward him, not really by doing everything for him or sth, but explaining things he have problems with the way he will be able to handle them but still need to learn is probably the best way.

And we should find a way to teach people that solving too common problems takes less time while them use google and brain than just post on forum
 

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Really...?

Without reading all the answers, I will answer upon the first post and not try to rage.

OTland is the leading community for open tibia and if you'd stop, open tibia would stop. Atleast in its best ways.
All credits for that and we all are thankfull for that. However, do not speak about us only when you, the moderators, are a problem aswell.

I do respect you all, but I also get frustrated when you write in the way you do. I canno't speak for the mass banishments that I have seen as I don't know the reasons even if it feels wrong that main characters of open tibia are being banned. What I can speak for are 3 things:

1. OTland is not perfect in the way the forum are built, therefor alot of new people doesn't know where to write and look, Ikea and iPhone is a perfect example to see that easy and simple is the best way. I can as for example improve alot, so could others. But if im gonna spend the time, I wanna know that it might be worth it. Some people are ofcourse stupid or children, we canno't count those for these facts.

2. You are speaking about other communities that wont succed, would you like to know why? Your name/forum will get banished and OTland will work against you if you make anything small that OTland doesn't like. OTland wont even try to speak to the owners, they will just act. I got a request and I created a new great open tibia forum, and guess what? OTland did what it could to stop me instead of talking to me. The forum was about to become to great I guess? Some big OTland people joined and loved the new nice personal community. The hosters computer crashed and Right now, I don't like to have a war between communities and spend my time on that. My guess is that OTland mods doesn't understand why we need other communities and that new communities will simply split open tibia. If so, then your right and wrong, however, no other forum would stand a chance if OTland was perfect. Kinda simple.

3. Split the community? Yeah, I can agree. But how come OTland wont make 1 great stable distro that every made script and things will work for? Instead, you make different free versions, different paid versions with different functions aswells as bugs. Thats what I call a split community. Does Apple make like others with their phone? No. They stick with 1 version and update it. Guess what? They rule the market.

In other words, cut the damn BS, except that, keep up the other good works and the rule/policy will hopefully be something in the right direction. Feel free to correct me where im wrong.

Kind Regards,
Eldin.
 
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