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Scamming by ezzz | Why he is allowed to sell ot resources openless?

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Are you aware that I'm from Venezuela? And that literally I was surviving thanks to otland since 10 years ago? I literally do programming for a living, that I sold my server privately outside of otland to customers that were interested is not illegal, illegal is advertising here, it's not illegal to do services and get paid for doing them, that is why I have a 100% positive feedback thread, but this idiot clearly is mad that I do not release my services for free, and I'm already one of the cheapest programmers here unlike others charging 40$ per hour, I roughly make 20$ to 50$ per week on tasks.
Thats why you released your bugged server with your contact email changing even the TFS credits, easy way to get the fixes. Being from venezuela doesn't give you the rights to literally destroy the ot ecosystem by saving fixes or doesn't give you the rights to release a tfsv8
 

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Thats why you released your bugged server with your contact email changing even the TFS credits, easy way to get the fixes. Being from venezuela doesn't give you the rights to literally destroy the ot ecosystem by saving fixes or doesn't give you the rights to release a tfsv8
You're a kid and you should grow up.
 

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I guess that is pretty obvious why im doing this thread but i would like to ask the otland staff, why Ezzz is actually allowed to sell his resources loudly (because everyone knows on otland) based on the effort that the otland community does and has been doing to build a great engine like TFS? I mean, mark or even elf did that? i get the point that the custom things must be keep privately, but why something necessary as FIXES and formulas should be kept and sold?

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Check this, he is admitting that he reproduced a VERSION OF A SERVER THAT YOU CAN ADQUIRE MESSAGING HIM! Why this is allowed Don Daniello, Mark? Why? We could ask those owners of old servers how they done their servers? Paying ezzz should be the way?
So people can't reproduce own content? Looks like he isn't interested on helping but milking like kondra does...

Someone was discussing here not so long, @Night Wolf about the direction of the closed-source things, why the feeling of learning and helping people to build their own childhood dream should have a barrier with scammers like Ezzz selling stuff on otland to every owner? He has friends on the staff? Why he hasn't been warned of doing that and people like kondra that did the same is actually censored? or why even the staff joins randomly discord channels to check if someone is selling stuff but we allow this behaviour here?

I think thats time to join together to destroy the market and recover those old times where you could download tfs 0.3.6 and you had people building their own dreams hiring people to reproduce CUSTOM CONTENT, let's see the example of the br community, they are helping people to keep the lastest versions and they are not selling content to make a server stable.

I'm myself starting to rewrite his bugged distro and if someone wants to give those fixes that he sells for free to HELP OTLAND AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, dm me, isn't too late to recover opentibia from the hole that it is.

this thread is ridiculous .
So you want everything for free? If you want a feature add it yourself, ezzz don't have to share If he chooses not to do it.
What it's not allowed it's to do thread related to selling or buying distros,datapacks but via imbox or out of the box ( otland) you can do whatever you want related with tibia.
 

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People who complain about fixes being hoarded: how much have you contributed to tfs yourself?
You tell that they're hoarding fixes. The fact that you know what was fixed should be enough to know where to look. If you know what needs fixing, why don't you post an issue in tfs repo? The combat system was shit for years, but no one ever paid attention except for critical bugs and crashes it was creating. Server lags from spamming area spells was also known to some degree, yet no one even opened an issue, it was just all complaints that someone has it and we don't.
every single issue that I've created on TFS I was laughed/criticized at.
every single issue that I've created on otclient (post edubart era) was either ignored/closed without resolution.

Before saying people don't contribute, why we don't admit having 200 issues/PRs in waiting queue might be the reason people don't feel tempted to give their 2 cents? I've reported a crash and several "devs" said: "oh, this is intented, you're using the function wrongly".

about @op: you're partly right and I understand your arguments and the root of them, but the way you're arguing doesn't sound like you're interested in the root cause of the problem but rather in the improvements he made.
The root cause is that sharing the bugs found/fixed openly is the best decision to improve them in the long run.

@Ezzz the arguing here is completely wrong. Ideally everyone should have the same base engine so:
1) We can identify issues more easily.
2) We can fix issues and already see their impact live to dozens of live servers with thousands of people.
3) Any improvements can be easily shared/implemented/merged

Making your own game should be about CONTENT and not about CORE ENGINE or even "LESS BUGS". That's why many people don't want to start investing, the bases are all mixed up and their quality is pretty low. The consequence of being greedy is actually more work and less pay for it, because there are more people trying to milk otadmins than there are people willing to start a server or invest in one. They also use all this money in making the core stable and optimized that the games are all copycats of each other because the money ends before people can actually invest IN CONTENT. The result is a bunch of bad servers opening and closing every day, less players and less servers, which then again results in less demand for services and less money being paid by amount of work. If you're from Venezuela, you should know this because you LITERALLY LIVES THIS.

On this note, a huge shoutout to the OpenTibiaBR project/community. The openess people have there and the sustainability of the development there is quite formidable, better than I've seen in several other open source initiatives and what naturally brought me closer to them.
It's a shame that people try to fight egos instead of focusing on what to improve for the whole open tibia.
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I have no problem is content selling, I do have a problem with trying to profit over fixing/core improvements/stability adjustments.
The whole community exists because of the repositories we have available, is simply STUPIDITY to try and get money out of something that is common to everyone, and that you have done based on open source code.
 
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about @op: you're partly right and I understand your arguments and the root of them, but the way you're arguing doesn't sound like you're interested in the root cause of the problem but rather in the improvements he made.
The root cause is that sharing the bugs found/fixed openly is the best decision to improve them in the long run.
My point isn't related to the fixes itself, im not interested on them but i would like to make the people know and understand what those bugs can be reported and that a lot of devs can join together to prevent having a market based on a unstable bugged distro that this guy is trying to commerce based on the job of thousand developers that hasn't been credited by ezzz (he even changed the credits on the source files)

I've already started together with some partners a isolated distro (with the leaked code) that would have most bugs fixed for the community including a lot of improvements that are missing (events system, cast, revscripts and the new lua api protocol), my problem is also with the otland staff and the way and how they allow ezzz selling content inside the community with stuff that should have been released LONG ago to attack the closed-source issue thats around right now
 
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every single issue that I've created on TFS I was laughed/criticized at.
every single issue that I've created on otclient (post edubart era) was either ignored/closed without resolution.

Before saying people don't contribute, why we don't admit having 200 issues/PRs in waiting queue might be the reason people don't feel tempted to give their 2 cents? I've reported a crash and several "devs" said: "oh, this is intented, you're using the function wrongly".

about @op: you're partly right and I understand your arguments and the root of them, but the way you're arguing doesn't sound like you're interested in the root cause of the problem but rather in the improvements he made.
The root cause is that sharing the bugs found/fixed openly is the best decision to improve them in the long run.


@Ezzz the arguing here is completely wrong. Ideally everyone should have the same base engine so:
1) We can identify issues more easily.
2) We can fix issues and already see their impact live to dozens of live servers with thousands of people.
3) Any improvements can be easily shared/implemented/merged

Making your own game should be about CONTENT and not about CORE ENGINE or even "LESS BUGS". That's why many people don't want to start investing, the bases are all mixed up and their quality is pretty low. The consequence of being greedy is actually more work and less pay for it, because there are more people trying to milk otadmins than there are people willing to start a server or invest in one. They also use all this money in making the core stable and optimized that the games are all copycats of each other because the money ends before people can actually invest IN CONTENT. The result is a bunch of bad servers opening and closing every day, less players and less servers, which then again results in less demand for services and less money being paid by amount of work. If you're from Venezuela, you should know this because you LITERALLY LIVES THIS.

On this note, a huge shoutout to the OpenTibiaBR project/community. The openess people have there and the sustainability of the development there is quite formidable, better than I've seen in several other open source initiatives and what naturally brought me closer to them.
It's a shame that people try to fight egos instead of focusing on what to improve for the whole open tibia.
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I have no problem is content selling, I do have a problem with trying to profit over fixing/core improvements/stability adjustments.
The whole community exists because of the repositories we have available, is simply STUPIDITY to try and get money out of something that is common to everyone, and that you have done based on open source code.
Sure, that's really beautiful to say when you are not the one who has to release everything for free. It's always easy to make charity out of strangers' pockets.

And, nowadays, almost every single piece of software out there is based off of something. Apple's XNU is a fork of BSD, and its vast majority is propietary software. Tibia itself is based on Ultima Online and MUD games, but it's also propietary software. The almighty UNIX is based on MINIX, and it was kept as propietary a LONG time by AT&T and friends. If you take a piece of software and make it better, you are entitled to keep those changes for yourself for as long as you like, or as long as the license doesn't forbid you from doing so.

Everyone asking devs to release something for the sake of "the community" to make it better, are not even coders themselves. The "community" which they believe they speak on behalf of, is nothing more than a bunch of script kiddies wanting easy money because they either can't/dont want to get a job, and just want to leech $ out of anything they see. That is called unjustified enrichment, and it's disgusting. The real community died long ago imo, or is just too disgusted to return here anymore.

Why people want free real 7.4/7.7/7.72 sources and distro? to host shitty otservers with shitty real-money shops to make wealth out of something that didn't cost them. Why people want free otclient optimized and fully free of bugs? because they don't want to invest on it (be it money, be it time, doesn't matter).

Just look at the few devs releasing stuff for free. They are constantly bombarded by noobies wanting to "hozt for me and zome friendz" asking for free antibot, free anticheat, free sources, free clients, free systems, free optimizations, free bug-solving, free etc.... It would definitely not make a few of us want to throw up, if everyone's only goal was not unjustified enrichment.

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Just look at the few devs releasing stuff from free. They are constantly bombarded by noobies wanting to "hozt for me and zome friendz" asking for free antibot, free anticheat, free sources, free clients, free systems, free optimizations, free bug-solving, free etc.... It would definitely not make a few of us want to throw up, if everyone's only goal was not unjustified enrichment.
Completely agree, it's easy to throw dust at people's faces. I literally don't go around spoiling to everyone to all the newbies that come to my DMs and Discord asking for help related my leak of Nostalrius, on how to compile, on certain issues, and on how certain stuff work, and I literally help those that I'm able to, free of charge and I've also helped some with a couple hours for free when I'm feeling good.

You have to be a programmer to understand the stress and sleepless nights we spend trying to make a piece of code work.
I have no problem is content selling, I do have a problem with trying to profit over fixing/core improvements/stability adjustments.
The whole community exists because of the repositories we have available, is simply STUPIDITY to try and get money out of something that is common to everyone, and that you have done based on open source code.
IF that is the case, then I suppose you would know that the leak of Nostalrius that was published does not have "optimizations" / "stability" / "fixes" at TFS's core, but rather changes for feature and behavioural changes related to oldschool itself, stuff that does not "help" the OpenSource community, TFS itself is rather amazing, and I've helped build OpenTibia back in the days of otfans as well, I used to develop daily for free on it's sourceforge tree, but today, and at this age, time is money, and I do have released stuff for the community to use, e.g; OTHire, and plenty of tool software.

It's not like I'll make 7.4 Monsters Behavioral Changes, and you expect me to make these changes free for everyone at Github because people want and need 7.4 Behavioral Changes and because TFS monsters A.I is not as good as the real thing, does not make sense, I might not be comprehending your point if my statement is incorrect.
 
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IF that is the case, then I suppose you would know that the leak of Nostalrius that was published does not have "optimizations" / "stability" / "fixes" at TFS's core, but rather changes for feature and behavioural changes related to oldschool itself, stuff that does not "help" the OpenSource community, TFS itself is rather amazing, and I've helped build OpenTibia back in the days of otfans as well, I used to develop daily for free on it's sourceforge tree, but today, and at this age, time is money, and I do have released stuff for the community to use, e.g; OTHire, and plenty of tool software.

It's not like I'll make 7.4 Monsters Behavioral Changes, and you expect me to make these changes free for everyone at Github because people want and need 7.4 Behavioral Changes and because TFS monsters A.I is not as good as the real thing, does not make sense, I might not be comprehending your point if my statement is incorrect.
Opensource community isn't based at all on your distro Ezzz, we got ongoing projects like the nekiro TFS 1.4 downport to 8.0/7.4/etc and we aren't your personal workplace to make money off the people needs.

Taking a quote of your own answer;
- "because people want and need 7.4 Behavioral Changes and because TFS monsters A.I is not as good as the real thing, does not make sense", yes, there are a lot of bugged stuff that you got on your nostalrius source working and thats one of the ones that can be added into the TFS repo, or the formulas that you are always blamming are actually incorrect?

What about helping the people that has the issues on your distro? or you're rather interested on helping them for ca$h? Looking at few answers of your partner we can clearly see that nothing has changed on you after the first or this second leak, you're just looking a chance to still milk cash, offering fake optimized datapacks and change the credits from the original TFS developers, but yeah, as infernum said, otland doesn't care.

Better change the name of your distro to TFSv8 gold edition
 

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Opensource community isn't based at all on your distro Ezzz, we got ongoing projects like the nekiro TFS 1.4 downport to 8.0/7.4/etc and we aren't your personal workplace to make money off the people needs.

Taking a quote of your own answer;
- "because people want and need 7.4 Behavioral Changes and because TFS monsters A.I is not as good as the real thing, does not make sense", yes, there are a lot of bugged stuff that you got on your nostalrius source working and thats one of the ones that can be added into the TFS repo, or the formulas that you are always blamming are actually incorrect?

What about helping the people that has the issues on your distro? or you're rather interested on helping them for ca$h? Looking at few answers of your partner we can clearly see that nothing has changed on you after the first or this second leak, you're just looking a chance to still milk cash, offering fake optimized datapacks and change the credits from the original TFS developers, but yeah, as infernum said, otland doesn't care.

Better change the name of your distro to TFSv8 gold edition

You're so full of beautiful flowers, it's hilarious, do you really expect people to give free support out of something they got their hands on for free when in the beginning they weren't supposed to? I'm ignoring your user and your alt accounts too.
 

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Sure, that's really beautiful to say when you are not the one who has to release everything for free. It's always easy to make charity out of strangers' pockets.
a lot of words thrown at the wrong person hahaha my whole life is open source already.

And, nowadays, almost every single piece of software out there is based off of something. Apple's XNU is a fork of BSD, and its vast majority is propietary software. Tibia itself is based on Ultima Online and MUD games, but it's also propietary software. The almighty UNIX is based on MINIX, and it was kept as propietary a LONG time by AT&T and friends. If you take a piece of software and make it better, you are entitled to keep those changes for yourself for as long as you like, or as long as the license doesn't forbid you from doing so.
You found some cool examples, but you're ignoring all the others:
  • Nvidia: Open Source
  • Google: Open Source
  • Facebook: Open Source
  • Microsoft: Open Source
  • Linux: Open Source
  • AMD: Open Source
Those that aren't fully open source, endorse the idea or have specific projects targeting open source communities. MS fucking bought github, and even before that it was the company that most contributed to open source projects (statistics from Github). Do you think our community is moving on the oppositive direction because we are smarter than they?


Everyone asking devs to release something for the sake of "the community" to make it better, are not even coders themselves. The "community" which they believe they speak on behalf of, is nothing more than a bunch of script kiddies wanting easy money because they either can't/dont want to get a job, and just want to leech $ out of anything they see. That is called unjustified enrichment, and it's disgusting. The real community died long ago imo, or is just too disgusted to return here anymore.

The only reason to have things open source is for the knowledge to be shared among coders, and to facilitate their life. End users don't read code...

Why people want free real 7.4/7.7/7.72 sources and distro? to host shitty otservers with shitty real-money shops to make wealth out of something that didn't cost them. Why people want free otclient optimized and fully free of bugs? because they don't want to invest on it (be it money, be it time, doesn't matter).
That's the only part were we agree, there's not a single reason to continue developing Nostalrius/leaked original cip files/old versions.
Honestly, if we could erase all pre tfs 1.x content the community would be better. Forking it too much is exactly what divided people/content/users.

We need to have a 'back to standard' movement, and try to have the people out there focused on a common ground. With OTC and TFS we should have the game feature based and you could turn a 10.98 client into a 7.4 one just activating/deactivating a config.

It could be like:
Old layout = true
block_aim = true
hotkey = false
spear drop = true

done, you have a 7.7 server. Want old formulas?

multiply heal = 1.5
multiply damage physical= 1.8
multiple damage magic = 1.5

The rest can be adjusted direct on the spells formulas.
 

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You found some cool examples, but you're ignoring all the others:
  • Nvidia: Open Source
  • Google: Open Source
  • Facebook: Open Source
  • Microsoft: Open Source
  • Linux: Open Source
  • AMD: Open Source
Those that aren't fully open source, endorse the idea or have specific projects targeting open source communities. MS fucking bought github, and even before that it was the company that most contributed to open source projects (stastics from Github). Do you think our community is moving on the oppositive direction because we are smarter than they?
Those are f*cking big-ass companies. Do you think Microsoft CEO freaking cares about open source philosophy more than he cares about making money? he LITERALLY is paid to increase MS' patrimony, so I don't know what the heck GitHub has anything to do with this. Same applies for every single example you posted, except for Linux, because of its license. RHEL knew this very well, as they sold support service and not a Linux distro.

All Nvidia, Google, Facebook, Microsoft and AMD sell you a product, and will find the way to get as much $ as possible from their customers. I wish you the best luck reaching out Microsoft for full NT kernel source code so that you can make your own windows, license it, and sell it. Shame on them greedy fckers for not distributing their full code for free, so that everyone can learn!!! That's how stupid you sound. Maybe SONY or Nintendo are stupid too, for not open sourcing their software...
The only reason to have things open source is for the knowledge to be shared among coders, and to facilitate their life. End users don't read code...
There you are right. Otland end users just download for free, edit the IP address and host it. I didn't mention adding a shitty shop with ingame overpowered items because most script kiddies are too plainly stupid to even do that, so they come crying to the devs because "ZHOP ZYZTEM DOEZ NOT WORK1!1!!", and they can't make $ for free without zhop zyztem.
That's the only part were we agree, there's not a single reason to continue developing Nostalrius/leaked original cip files/old versions.
Honestly, if we could erase all pre tfs 1.x content the community would be better. Forking it too much is exactly what divided people/content/users.
And there you prove how little you know about server architectures. TFS is slow and heavy and hard to understand. Personally, I'm not touching OpenTibia ever again. Even Shadowcores had to edit their core so that the server could lift more than a certain number of players.

We need to have a 'back to standard' movement, and try to have the people out there focused on a common ground. With OTC and TFS we should have the game feature based and you could turn a 10.98 client into a 7.4 one just activating/deactivating a config.
And give a bunch of snooty assholes the monopoly over the entire OT ecosystem, so that only they can decide what is or is not acceptable for "the community engine". Fuck that shit. Having more than one codebase is what keeps the scene growing. How on earth would having 2 separate, distinct engines be worse than having only one?
 
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And give a bunch of snooty assholes the monopoly over the entire OT ecosystem, so that only they can decide what is or is not acceptable for "the community engine". Fuck that shit. Having more than one codebase is what keeps the scene growing. How on earth would having 2 separate, distinct engines be worse than having only one?
Exactly. Just look at what otland, otservlist, twitch and youtube became. Even though they don't even have a true monopoly, they can afford behaving as if they had due to how big they already are.

Also agreed on the companies you mentioned. They have a business in teaching you how to code because they're looking for programmers - MS needs .net people for their apps, Google needs programmers because they have hundreds of projects they actively work on, AMD needs programmers to stay relevant in cpu, gpu and game engine areas.
 

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Scamming by ezzz | Why he is allowed to sell ot resources openless?​

Answer: He's not. No one is. I've yet seen a proper report of a post from Ezzz that contained commerce of a resource.
It feels like you are just trying to attack him due to some personal grudge. Your friend Aurelion was openly selling resources, and also implicitly implying so in his services thread. If you preach a moral value, then be sure you actually believe in what you are preaching. Only trying to enforce it on specific users of your choice, just makes you look desperate for dramatic conversations.

There you have your answer, if you find that someone is selling/buying resources on OTLand then be sure to report them and we will look into it.
If you want to continue discussing the other topics that are not relevant to this thread then you may open up a new thread.
 
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