Ah well, took some time to read every post in this thread and everyone seem indeed to state the same thing (not OP's.); and not a 50/50 split thou, and therefore i'll ignore the OP's recent replies as they doesnt even make sense.
First of all i'd like to get my thoughts right; a download&run user is someone who downloads a distro, runs it... and manages it however they want... It's often pretty basic with a few additions with time..
We don't like that... or what?
I can't really find any GOD's to dislike (i will now call any server owner "GOD") but then again i havent played that many OT's all these years i've been around, just seen them around forums and reading their posts etc. My personal preferences will say survivalOT/ChaosOT > TDA/TLM (i see both quite similar). The first one could anyone host, just download and run.. I don't care if they add 200 spawns a week or never add/change anything.. I switch servers depending on what kind of people playing with and against me! (just sharing random stuff about me:>)
As for now what I think brings down the community is threads like these and those who puts hate on someone or something, or just public dislike.
But I will participate in threads that discusses the past and future of the community, i will not try to change it(no promise thou) or hope for it to change... 8 years ago we had the exact same jargong, these so called(by you) "problems".
Aseki is quite spot-on @ page 4.... and YES it is VERY related to the topic.
Someone mentioned somewhere in the "old" days (no need to put a date on it but he probably meant a year ago or so) you had 100 servers and like 100ppl playing on each and now it's 1000 servers and only 10 ppl playing on each.. (i think i got it right..) and another bunch of servers with 40 ppl online.. and then a few("the cool ones") with 300 players online 24/7 and "we want more of those servers" ... The solution isnt that we should group in the same team and develop EPIC servers, it will still be this kind of distribution of players, I don't think it's players demanding more epic servers.. I think its the creators of those 40 player servers that want those servers with 10ppl each to shut down. (not with direct intention but in general THAT IS HOW YOU WANT IT)... I hope i kept on the subject and managed to explain everything i wanted to get explained.
Big note: the numbers are made up, they're just there to help me make my point.
So what is the solution? To make people JOIN projects instead of creating them? Then I guess OP's point is that the project manager should teach the new guy how the OT'ing works... And the new guy will find his call somewhere else and create his own stuff.. (THIS IS HOW THE REAL LIFE WORKS) But is it how the OT world works? I'd say it's hard to create your own company and it takes guts and money you dont have(trust me.). But creating your own server to goof around is easy.. it wont budge the community... unless you want it to(now im referring to OP).
Hmm I think i had some other stuff to say about this but .. ill get there with time
Enjoy!
EDIT: My solution to a better community is to stop hating OR loving GOD's.. Help them, ignore them but for gods sake dont bash on them... And what also brings down the community is GREED, which i state in an earlier thread (
http://otland.net/f251/development-servers-90862/). Not greed on servers, but greed in the development section.
OP's point is to discourage ppl to make any attempt on a 100% HARDCORE RPG Server(or well you catch my drift) by telling them its hard and most will fail (YES I DO UNDERSTAND THAT..) Instead they should browse the forum and join up .. who?
--We can try to prove who's right or wrong (oh and this topic has already been broken, OP can't just see it)... But it is these threads and OP's that will bring the community down. As for now stubborness aint the way to approach nor shouting IM RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG ... I will stay and discuss whatever topic that's thrown out there.. (PS. this last part is just about calling OP immature and noob, im sorry for that but it has to be said.. and i REFRAIN anyone to reply on this part) u mad bro? yes i am, the level of discussion is dropping for every post that includes "GTFO" "i understand everything, but i still think im right" .. which aint even related to the topic--