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Yes. You do underestimate power of cheaters. It's 2020, not 2006. They don't use simple bots that bind to some RAM addresses and call some functions in your client. They use neural-networks and image analysis to read information from your client. They move mouse and press keyboard 'like real human'.
You can't block all bots, after long fight on Kasteria (new client, new packets in client, statistical analysis of 'game' of every player based on movies), we gave up and decided to ban 2 kinds of bots: exp bots and war bots (auto ssa, auto energy ring, but that bot is hard to detect as players just bind mouse move to hotkey to make 'auto equip').
If you are talking about 7.4 style.. my friend had UH maker on real tibia that was 2nd HIGHEST magic level on world Secura.. and you want to ban UH makers to make it 'real'?
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I forgot most important thing: you will spend 2000 hours to prepare that all and 5 minutes after start some faggot will DDoS you with 820gb/s UDP, 50k IPs that pass reCaptcha and CloudFlare and few others 'common attacks in tibia community'
That's how it ends ALWAYS on Kasteria. We work hard to make some new content, fix most important bugs and after start we got 2-3 days on constant DDoS attacks. Every start - from 3 years - we get new kind of attack, which means that someone spends much time or pay a lot to prepare these attacks.
People say that 'kasteria attacked me'. You may belive me or not, but we NEVER attacked any other server.
Excuse the question, but what is your post even supposed to mean? "Hello, we are Kasteria and we gave up on banning botters, cause we couldn't handle it" or "Hey, don't even bother trying because your server will be brought down by DDoS (PS it's not us!!!)"?
Just to point out:
1. You don't even know us, so how can you tell what we do or do not underestimate? I mean where exactly did you read that from? Did you see me claim we could completly BLOCK all kind of cheats? If you actually read this thread carefully, or atleast the first two pages, you'd see I've never claimed preventing all cheating is even possible by ANYONE. Since the very beginning I was always saying it's a constant never-ending armaments race in which you need to fight ACTIVELY and never stop. Not just blindly believe that you already have some fancy system or airy-fairy "anti-bot client" that will do the job. So if you ever thought your system WOULD do the job (your post kinda implies that), you were the ignorant one who underestimated cheaters, not us.
We will have several independent things to prevent and/or detect some kind of cheating - to start with - but many times I openly said there are always ways to bypass and new bots will be created, that's why there must be a human on the last layer. Harsh punishment (deletion of all accounts, not just the character that was cheated on) is also absolutely indispensable, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Kasteria used to give 7 days bans?
We are willing to take part in such race and spend our time on, that's what I'm saying. Since you admit to have given up - you apparently were not willing. So which of these sentences actually show WE underestimated cheaters?
And as I said, you don't know our team, but you might atleast know Lord. Then you should also know he's not the first random guy, since a few years ago Kasteria itself (Eloth back then) used to hire him as a programmer for some anti-cheating stuff, didn't it?
2. So what that your friend had an uhmaker back in the days? Many people did, still doesn't mean it's a game feature lol. It's only that Cip had nothing to fight cheaters with. Just GMs that were way too few and lacked any tools to even work effectively. Nowhere we said we intended to copy that.
3. As for DDoS - firstly, we are aware of the issue and expect to be heavily attacked. It was one of the very first things we've been discussing. We're willing to try and let them waste that money, whoever does it. Secondly, we're not going to accuse anyone, so there's no need to come here and announce it's not you. Neither did we attack anyone or intend to, but we just take it as an obviousness that every server gets attacked. Somehow many of them are still running though. If our server is to be taken down, then so be it. But so far no DDoS happened and no one in the thread said a single word about "Kasteria DDoSing", so I honestly have no idea why you are here already defending yourself?
PS which Kasteria bot is based on neural-networks? the one that Kasteria's owner used to put a hundred fake chars on?
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