Your thoughts on Racism

[Frostyy]

I'm an immigrant currently living in the United Kingdom, though I take myself more as a British guy than a Pole. I've spend most of my life in England and to be honest, I'm more familiar with English than Polish, but when somebody offends my family because of their origin, I feel like killing the person.
It's also quite funny how people stereotypically think that "we steal jobs". Most of us are hard working people who are just looking for a roof above our heads and never put our noses in shit that the English want to smell just by themselves.
Muslims though are just very cultural and they need to get used to the standards that are set here in Europe, which I believe is just a matter of time. A small amount of time, hopefully.

 

[walkingdragon]

I just hate the foreigners who come to the UK to stand on street corners waiting to mug people..

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA That's funny shit yo

 

[GhostX]

I'm an immigrant currently living in the United Kingdom, though I take myself more as a British guy than a Pole. I've spend most of my life in England and to be honest, I'm more familiar with English than Polish, but when somebody offends my family because of their origin, I feel like killing the person.
It's also quite funny how people stereotypically think that "we steal jobs". Most of us are hard working people who are just looking for a roof above our heads and never put our noses in shit that the English want to smell just by themselves.
Muslims though are just very cultural and they need to get used to the standards that are set here in Europe, which I believe is just a matter of time. A small amount of time, hopefully.

i agree. The immigrants who "take" jobs generally take the small time jobs BUT they are students jobs. Thing is.. 90% of the reason kids/students don't have jobs is because they don't try hard enough.

I got sacked - a week later i had a new job. It isn't as hard as people make out. Just how hard you look.
I understand in certain areas it is high unemployment and hard but generally there is always a job.

Anyway every polish worker i know of (my dads company employ a lot of polish and lithuanian temps in the factory side) are all hard and dedicated workers. It's just the odd few immigrants who claim benefits, and work cash in hand to get like £50k a year when a hard working family can struggle to come close to that.

I am racist as far as a joke. Since i live in leicester i know a lot of mixed cultured and race people. Some muslims, some jewish, some hindi, some sikh and they all get on. We have racist banter between eachother. I sit there calling them "silvers" (silver spoon - coon), niggers, pakis, etc and they call me "honky" "white trash" "crackhead honky" shit like that.

In modern society racism is becomming a joke. If you can all laugh about it between eachother. It is conquering racism. Just the ignorant few let it down. However the govenment in the uk aren't helping the situation. In fact they instigate it further. There was a thing about not allowed to have the english flag anywhere etc because it is seen as "racist". This makes people like the EDL want to act out on the immigrants.

I know it still goes on and it isn't over. But it is coming to an end. The ignorance of racists are losing numbers and eventually it will only be racists who will be "banned" from places, "don't get hired" etc.

 

[Flatlander]

I just hate the foreigners who come to the UK to reap tons of benefits, take big houses (because they breed like a motherfucker) and stand on street corners waiting to mug people.

Eastern Europeans are making our streets fucking dirty by spitting out Sunflower Seeds all over the fucking floor too - one thing that annoys me the most.

This is why a Free-Market system (like America used to have, but were moving more and more towards socialism which is god-awful) is so great. Free Hand-Outs will always be abused and stupid in my opinion. "If you don't work, you don't eat" should always be a rule in every society.
Also, Racism will always exist, and NEEDS to exist, its part of survival.

For Example: If even 0.05% of white people will slap you across the face with a dead fish for no reason if they see you on the street, then you SHOULD avoid ALL white people on the street. Yes, the 99.05% of white people will complain that everyone avoids them and treats them all like fish slappers. But that doesn't mean you should pretend that it doesn't exist, and get slapped by fish twice a day because you "don't want to be racist".

 

[Beo]

I'm an immigrant currently living in the United Kingdom, though I take myself more as a British guy than a Pole. I've spend most of my life in England and to be honest, I'm more familiar with English than Polish, but when somebody offends my family because of their origin, I feel like killing the person.
It's also quite funny how people stereotypically think that "we steal jobs". Most of us are hard working people who are just looking for a roof above our heads and never put our noses in shit that the English want to smell just by themselves.
Muslims though are just very cultural and they need to get used to the standards that are set here in Europe, which I believe is just a matter of time. A small amount of time, hopefully.

No, I don't blame anyone for taking jobs. If you're here to better your life, well done you done something. But if you came here to scrounge benefits and stand on the street spitting out sunflower seeds making other peoples lives harder (e.g. the road sweepers) then you deserve to go back to poland. Like you said most of you are hard working people but there is still a vast majority of polish who aren't - like english too. English people will sit back and complain there isn't any jobs (which is utter bullshit) but they need to get off their lazy asses and go get them.
English expect £10 an hour jobs otherwise they think "it's not worth working".
Polish don't complain, work their asses off and you can see rewards.

 

[Frostyy]

@GhostX funny enough, but we live quite close to each other. Have you ever heard about Gloucester?

 

[GhostX]

@GhostX funny enough, but we live quite close to each other. Have you ever heard about Gloucester?

@Frostyy yes. Ofc i have. XD

 

[zbizu]

@Frostyy
Well, I'm from Poland and from what I heard only people from our nation are hardcore enough to remove dangerous material from old roofs(termit, but idk how it's called in english, it's material which causes cancer upon inhaling).
I heard from my friend that polish immigrants in Ireland aren't nice, but I don't know how much truth is in it. If someone offends you because of your origin it means that he is about to lose argument(out of things to say so he starts insulting). I don't feel proud or shame of being Pole, but if I could choose my origin I'd not pick Poland. It has great history, but tbh there is too few reasons to be proud of it atm. It's really hard to meet someone who is nice to you.

I accept people regardless of their origin as long as they don't try to force dragging me onto their beliefs and ideas. I treat people as single ones, not as ethnic groups. It's just stupid to rate everyone from certain group if we haven't seen their behavior because of stereotype or one person who acted like an a*****e.

TL;DR
Don't rate someone because of his origin, every ethnic group has good and evil people.

Edit: Why is everyone uploading pandas onto their avatars?

 

[Royal Inferno]

BOGART! lol

 

[Ketada]

People these days mix up prejudice with racism. Everyone has prejudice including me. I'm an arab and I could very often find myself speak degrading of Swedes, but I would say the same about even arabs or any other people. I have prejudice for my own race sometimes even, but when you think of it it's meaningless. People are people, there are good and bad no matter where you are from. Twify gave us a good example of prejudice.

And that child who wrote about islam and immigrants taking over Sweden clearly has no insight in the subject and your numbers are waaay off. Indeed, I will agree that lots of immigrants LATELY have came here doing no good, but this is Swedens own fault. Racism was in Sweden even before the useless immigrants came here. Hard working immigrants. The ones that are here now jobless could be here for a good reason, or maybe not. The reason they don't work or so on is either because they are too afraid to work because of REVA (Swedish law allowing policement to ask anyone that does not look Swedish for ID) or similar reasons. Simply, our society is misshaped and it is not the immigrants fault. Countries smaller than Sweden have many times more citizens. Sure, the poverty rate is higher as well, but it's always the governments fault.

 

[Royal Inferno]

People these days mix up prejudice with racism. Everyone has prejudice including me. I'm an arab and I could very often find myself speak degrading of Swedes, but I would say the same about even arabs or any other people. I have prejudice for my own race sometimes even, but when you think of it it's meaningless. People are people, there are good and bad no matter where you are from. Twify gave us a good example of prejudice.

And that child who wrote about islam and immigrants taking over Sweden clearly has no insight in the subject and your numbers are waaay off. Indeed, I will agree that lots of immigrants LATELY have came here doing no good, but this is Swedens own fault. Racism was in Sweden even before the useless immigrants came here. Hard working immigrants. The ones that are here now jobless could be here for a good reason, or maybe not. The reason they don't work or so on is either because they are too afraid to work because of REVA (Swedish law allowing policement to ask anyone that does not look Swedish for ID) or similar reasons. Simply, our society is misshaped and it is not the immigrants fault. Countries smaller than Sweden have many times more citizens. Sure, the poverty rate is higher as well, but it's always the governments fault.

Prejudice, like when they talk about how every immigrant is a thief, is dumb, rapes swedish girls and steals jobs... no no let me correct myself, if you DO work, you steal their jobs, if you do NOT work, you are living for free, doing nothing, sitting at home and just receiving THEIR money.
There's also racism in the Swedish board of Otland.

 

[Ingens]

I couldn't care less if people from other countries comes to sweden to "take our jobs". If they accept our culture and our traditions (you're barely able to play the national anthem of sweden anymore without being called racist). But this is not the case. They are from another culture, a culture which is worse than the one in Sweden. Yes, worse. They (by they I mean the majority, not everyone) are violent and greedy and the worst of them all are the muslims because they are also extremely religious (many of them, not everyone) which is all but positive. If you actually read the koran you'd know why.

Yes, not all swedish people are okey either. But the difference is that the majority of immigrants from these cultures are this way. If only a small portion of them were like this, that'd be a different story. But that's not the case.

 

[Royal Inferno]

I couldn't care less if people from other countries comes to sweden to "take our jobs". If they accept our culture and our traditions (you're barely able to play the national anthem of sweden anymore without being called racist). But this is not the case. They are from another culture, a culture which is worse than the one in Sweden. Yes, worse. They (by they I mean the majority, not everyone) are violent and greedy and the worst of them all are the muslims because they are also extremely religious (many of them, not everyone) which is all but positive. If you actually read the koran you'd know why.

Yes, not all swedish people are okey either. But the difference is that the majority of immigrants from these cultures are this way. If only a small portion of them were like this, that'd be a different story. But that's not the case.

National Anthem things, so not true. And you're trying to make it looks like swedes are being called racists for nothing, but that's not what I meant.
I live in a pretty small town close to Gothenburg and here I have barely ever encountered any kind of racism, although when I go on any kind of forums where you can find swedes, there's so much racism. And I literally didn't notice the amount of racism until like a few months ago.

I was born in Sweden, though my parents were not. They were raised differently and so am I, and no it's not some religious crap, as I'm as far away from religious as you can possibly get, but I still don't really look at myself as an immigrant, because I don't feel any super-strong connection to my home country, but I can't say I'm a swede, as that would just be denying my origin, I see myself as a neutral person.
I have never done anything against any swede, because of where they come from, that's like the worst thing you could possibly do; live in someone's country then not respect them.

Still, according to all racists I'm just like any other stinking, thief immigrant who rapes swedish girls (and yes this is basically how they define immigrants) and I deserve to be thrown out of Sweden.

And I can basically see myself voting for SD in the future, not because I am a racist, but because the more immigrants that come to Sweden, the worse our reputation gets, and also because I hate seeing badly raised immigrants.

 

[Ingens]

National Anthem things, so not true. And you're trying to make it looks like swedes are being called racists for nothing, but that's not what I meant.
I live in a pretty small town close to Gothenburg and here I have barely ever encountered any kind of racism, although when I go on any kind of forums where you can find swedes, there's so much racism. And I literally didn't notice the amount of racism until like a few months ago.

I was born in Sweden, though my parents were not. They were raised differently and so am I, and no it's not some religious crap, as I'm as far away from religious as you can possibly get, but I still don't really look at myself as an immigrant, because I don't feel any super-strong connection to my home country, but I can't say I'm a swede, as that would just be denying my origin, I see myself as a neutral person.
I have never done anything against any swede, because of where they come from, that's like the worst thing you could possibly do; live in someone's country then not respect them.

Still, according to all racists I'm just like any other stinking, thief immigrant who rapes swedish girls (and yes this is basically how they define immigrants) and I deserve to be thrown out of Sweden.

And I can basically see myself voting for SD in the future, not because I am a racist, but because the more immigrants that come to Sweden, the worse our reputation gets, and also because I hate seeing badly raised immigrants.

Royal inferno, please note that I often mention many (or most) but not everyone when I talk about this. There are bad people in every culture, just like there are good people in every culture (so to say). And most "racists" <- which is basically everyone who doesn't want more immigrants into sweden -> know this aswell. However, if your experience with immigrants is that 70% of them disrespects you purely for being swedish, that person may logically think "This person is most likely just like the others" speaking from experience. What I'm trying to say is that I bet it'd be hard being (half immigrant, whatever you call some1 born in sweden but origins from another country) since swedish people might mistake you for being something you are not. And thus the circle continues, because then that person might get offended by many swedes for thinking this way and will eventually turn against swedes himself.

It's all a big circle which starts with a big fking ball of different cultures. It doesn't work. I'm a vegan for god's science sake. I believe in equality between all. Even animals. Aslong as you can feel mental and physical pain aswell as want to be alive, being able to enjoy life, you have just as much right to life as everyone else. But that doesn't mean we can just put 2 different packs of wild lions in the same area/country, so to say.

 

[Flatlander]

Royal inferno, please note that I often mention many (or most) but not everyone when I talk about this. There are bad people in every culture, just like there are good people in every culture (so to say). And most "racists" <- which is basically everyone who doesn't want more immigrants into sweden -> know this aswell. However, if your experience with immigrants is that 70% of them disrespects you purely for being swedish, that person may logically think "This person is most likely just like the others" speaking from experience. What I'm trying to say is that I bet it'd be hard being (half immigrant, whatever you call some1 born in sweden but origins from another country) since swedish people might mistake you for being something you are not. And thus the circle continues, because then that person might get offended by many swedes for thinking this way and will eventually turn against swedes himself.

It's all a big circle which starts with a big fking ball of different cultures. It doesn't work. I'm a vegan for god's science sake. I believe in equality between all. Even animals. Aslong as you can feel mental and physical pain aswell as want to be alive, being able to enjoy life, you have just as much right to life as everyone else. But that doesn't mean we can just put 2 different packs of wild lions in the same area/country, so to say.

If you put 2 packs of wild lions in the same area they will slaughter each other. Every semi-intelligent species on this planet builds social circles and when someone disrupts this they will defend it.

 

[Ketada]

I couldn't care less if people from other countries comes to sweden to "take our jobs". If they accept our culture and our traditions (you're barely able to play the national anthem of sweden anymore without being called racist). But this is not the case. They are from another culture, a culture which is worse than the one in Sweden. Yes, worse. They (by they I mean the majority, not everyone) are violent and greedy and the worst of them all are the muslims because they are also extremely religious (many of them, not everyone) which is all but positive. If you actually read the koran you'd know why.

Yes, not all swedish people are okey either. But the difference is that the majority of immigrants from these cultures are this way. If only a small portion of them were like this, that'd be a different story. But that's not the case.

That's the funny part. I live in a place where it's basically only immigrants (not all muslims, but immigrants. polacks and whatsoever). I don't know ANYONE who has anything against the national anthem and very few that fits into your description of how they act. GREEDY? Whoa... You need to actually start meeting these people before you throw blatant accusements. Also there's not many muslims who actually practice islam and you mention that people need to read the quran? As if you've read it? Perhaps you should read it.

You'll be surprised how nice these people are if you actually meet them or get to know them. Tell me though, do you live in the north?

 

[Royal Inferno]

That's the funny part. I live in a place where it's basically only immigrants (not all muslims, but immigrants. polacks and whatsoever). I don't know ANYONE who has anything against the national anthem and very few that fits into your description of how they act. GREEDY? Whoa... You need to actually start meeting these people before you throw blatant accusements. Also there's not many muslims who actually practise islam and you mention that people need to read the quran? As if you've read it? Perhaps you should read it.

You'll be surprised how nice these people are if you actually meet them or get to know them. Tell me though, do you live in the north?

^ this too

 

[Ingens]

That's the funny part. I live in a place where it's basically only immigrants (not all muslims, but immigrants. polacks and whatsoever). I don't know ANYONE who has anything against the national anthem and very few that fits into your description of how they act. GREEDY? Whoa... You need to actually start meeting these people before you throw blatant accusements. Also there's not many muslims who actually practise islam and you mention that people need to read the quran? As if you've read it? Perhaps you should read it.

You'll be surprised how nice these people are if you actually meet them or get to know them. Tell me though, do you live in the north?

I live in the south. I'm friends with some "immigrants" which I discussed this with before. We share the same thoughts upon this subject and it's not a coincident that the only little kids which ever tried to throw sticks and shit on the dogs and other animals in our area are from another culture. It's no coincident that the most violent place here is where a bunch of cultures have been smashed together. Damnit, a month ago I even witnessed one of the kids taking a crap in the bush next to the playground. Just because you live in your perfect little place doesn't mean the rest of sweden is.

In my own experience about 10-20% of the people from the cultures we're talking about aren't assholes. In fact, those who aren't assholes are normally kinder than the average swede. Regarding the quran as it's spelled, my bad; obviously I haven't read the complete book, but I have read parts of it. Sure, things can be taken out of context but not such large parts. I'm not talking about sentences here. I also asked an "imam" alot of question regarding islam and how he sees the world from "the eyes of the quran" so to say. I did not like a single answer he gave me, so excuse me if I'm against islam. I'm against all evil in the world and religion sure is one of them. Cmon, can anything good come out from people thoughts, whose cultures were 10x worse in those times they all lived in?

Also think about this. People become as they're made by their evironment (if you understand that statement) Humans are "sheep" and they like to follow the majority. So if the first group of immigrants were to be of the kinder "kind" where you live, the ones coming after them will most likely adapt as they did. The same logic goes if immigrants get localized at a place where most immigrants dislikes swedes. And the more immigrants dislikes swedes the more swedes will dislike immigrants. It's a big evil pattern which is created by our politicans letting in so many people at a time. They should spread them out (not separate families, obviously) to disable the possibility of this evil circle I'm talking about.

This is my opinion from my experiences. If you come with statements like

You need to actually start meeting these people before you throw blatant accusements.

again just because we disagree upon something, this debate will lose it's rational thinking and I'll simply not reply.

 

[Ketada]

I live in the south. I'm friends with some "immigrants" which I discussed this with before. We share the same thoughts upon this subject and it's not a coincident that the only little kids which ever tried to throw sticks and shit on the dogs and other animals in our area are from another culture. It's no coincident that the most violent place here is where a bunch of cultures have been smashed together. Damnit, a month ago I even witnessed one of the kids taking a crap in the bush next to the playground. Just because you live in your perfect little place doesn't mean the rest of sweden is.

In my own experience about 10-20% of the people from the cultures we're talking about aren't assholes. In fact, those who aren't assholes are normally kinder than the average swede. Regarding the quran as it's spelled, my bad; obviously I haven't read the complete book, but I have read parts of it. Sure, things can be taken out of context but not such large parts. I'm not talking about sentences here. I also asked an "imam" alot of question regarding islam and how he sees the world from "the eyes of the quran" so to say. I did not like a single answer he gave me, so excuse me if I'm against islam. I'm against all evil in the world and religion sure is one of them. Cmon, can anything good come out from people thoughts, whose cultures were 10x worse in those times they all lived in?

Also think about this. People become as they're made by their evironment (if you understand that statement) Humans are "sheep" and they like to follow the majority. So if the first group of immigrants were to be of the kinder "kind" where you live, the ones coming after them will most likely adapt as they did. The same logic goes if immigrants get localized at a place where most immigrants dislikes swedes. And the more immigrants dislikes swedes the more swedes will dislike immigrants. It's a big evil pattern which is created by our politicans letting in so many people at a time. They should spread them out (not separate families, obviously) to disable the possibility of this evil circle I'm talking about.

This is my opinion from my experiences. If you come with statements like

again just because we disagree upon something, this debate will lose it's rational thinking and I'll simply not reply.

Trust me, I don't live in a perfect place. We are formed by our environment. I live in a suburb and the worst people here actually have a nordic background. Either Swedish or Finnish It's not about which country you are from, it's about in which circumstances you are raised with. Society forms you, the suburbs were bad from the start, whatever caused it. And now anyone that goes there will be affected. Although some may try not to follow the crowd... I can agree that people are a bit more criminal and so in suburban areas (immigrants if you please, not but solely) but it's nowhere near the way you describe it and it's mostly limited to stealing. We are probably more alert to fights but it's not like fighting is an every day thing to us. I haven't seen a fight for some time around here. I don't know how old you are either, it could affect alot. You might be surrounded by young and immature people simply that are constantly under peer pressure. Around my neighborhoods though people are getting way calmer etc, surprisingly to you because they are getting more faithful and those who used to be involved with criminal activities or general negative behavior are now calm and also pressuring others to be the way they are. And now, I don't mean that they are trying to tell anyone to be faithful, but they are telling them to start act like people and get a grip of their lives. These people approach Swedes in a very nice manner, they are not the muslims you see on TV (the mass media manipulation). Maybe stop believing in all you read or see on TV. I could write all day but I'm getting tired....


Edit:
I apologize, I didn't read your last paragraph. But as I read it now; we almost had the same reasoning there, the first ones are affecting the rest. During the time immigrants first came here there was a high level of racism coming from the Swedes, which created this hate and tension to the immigrants.

 

[Royal Inferno]

Trust me, I don't live in a perfect place. We are formed by our environment. I live in a suburb and the worst people here actually have a nordic background. Either Swedish or Finland. It's not about which country you are from, it's about in which circumstances you are raised with. Society forms you, the suburbs were bad from the start, whatever caused it. And now anyone that goes there will be affected. Although some may try not to follow the crowd... I can agree that people are a bit more criminal and so in suburban areans (immigrants if you please, not but solely) but it's nowhere near the way you describe it and it's mostly limited to stealing. We are probably more alert to fights but it's not like fighting is an every day thing to us. I haven't seen a fight for some time around here. I don't know how old you are either, it could affect alot. You might be surrounded by young and immature people simply that are constantly under peer pressure. Around my neighborhoods though people are getting way calmer etc, surprisingly to you because they are getting more faithful and those who used to be involved with criminal activities or general negative behavior are now calm and also pressuring others to be the way they are. And now, I don't mean that they are trying to tell anyone to be faithful, but they are telling them to start act like people and get a grip of their lives. These people approach Swedes in a very nice manner, they are not the muslims you see on TV (the mass media manipulation). Maybe stop believing in all you read or see on TV. I could write all day but I'm getting tired....

I agree with Ketada, exactly what I was referring to. It's not only 10-20% immigrants that are "kind", it's at least 50% and even if it isn't, it's not that they don't like you because you're a swede, but maybe because of how they got treated. I can almost guarantee you that there are just as many kind immigrants as there are kind swedes, only reason you're thinking the other way around is because you live in a place where you seem to hate (most) immigrants, the more one swede hates, the more can the others hate and that creates a bond, because you're doing it all together, but the immigrants have to take your shit. You're talking about it from your point of view, from where you live and how you see it.

I don't know any immigrant that hates swedes because they're swedes (obviously)
I don't know any immigrant that thinks every swede is racist, in fact here are almost no racists, not that I know of and swedes and immigrants are friends.

In other words, here people don't make any difference between immigrants and swedes and that's why it's so good for both swedes and immigrants here, swedes because they can see that not every immigrant is and idiot and immigrants because they get to live with really good people.
Then again I can't make sure every immigrant in Sweden behaves like you want them to, neither can you decide how every swede should act.

In other words an immigrants acts after the way he is treated, treat him badly and he'll be bad and vice versa.
And I live in southern Sweden too, what town do you live in?