Discussion: Marketplace

[Beo]

I'm retarded, says fallen.

 

[Believer]

I can't see in what way the marketplace makes any danger to otland... I don't even enter that board that often, and even if i did it wouldnt bother me, you can't get rid of those people though. They will always be around either you like it or not. What do otland managers say about this?

PS. I wish the best to otland, so if you think its the best then remove it lol

 

[Amoaz]

This shitstorm about marketplace, again. Really? If you dont want to spend money on Open-Tibia in order to make more money on Open-Tibia (which we all know is every developers biggest wish nowadays, dont tell me otherwise bcz its bullshit then). If you dont like it, dont use it. If you feel like your getting scammed alot, stop buying stuff from people with 100 posts and registerd a month ago, without anyone knowing who its. Use your brains and abit of common sense?

Oh and one more thing. If someone spent a great deal of time (like Znote did on his AAC) do you people expect for real that such items will always be released for free? Because please then tell me on wich planet your living on. Someone spent a great deal of time first to learn (in this example) the PHP language. Then he actually coded the whole thing with the skills he had gained from the learning phase. Then you freebies just stand there shouting "GIVE ME GIVE ME FREE PLX", and then ofcours the comments will go on in "SET IT UP FOR ME FREE PLX", and then atlast "GIVE ME FREE UPDATES, FULL AUTO SHOP SYSTEM SO I CAN MAKE MONEY ON YOUR PRODUCT WHILE YOUR MAKING 0$ PLEASE!" Makes sense dosnt it? lol

Remove marketplace and the people that actually have some knowledge will move to another forum. Why? They dont like noobs that wants everything for free. But you should add some restrictions, I can agree to that. Dont allow people with less then X posts and that havnt been registerd for less then X time sell items there. By doing so you will reduce the amount of people that are creating new accounts, buying premium and then just scamms everyone in the marketplace. But I guess that would generate less profit for OtLand so I guess that wouldnt happend either

Nothing is ever for free, and everything is created for $PROFIT$ in one way or another.

 

[Mark]

My two cents;

You all say Open Tibia should be fully free, yet there is a premium board here in which you can download the latest TFS.
You all say Open Tibia is free, yet most people posting here I have seen in the marketplace (I'm always there checking out bargains).
You all say Open Tibia is free, yet Otland makes enough cash through premium subs a month to probably even buy Tibia itself. (exaggeration rlx)

Tibia is not free, Open Tibia is not free, nothing in this world is free. Time is money and you waste time on Tibia, therefore losing money. Your time is precious, it's worth even more than money, contributors see it as "spare time" so you have spare money?
Sellers see it as "money making schemes". They create things, learn things, in order to earn cash to spend on Tibia anyway or even to spend back in the Otserv community. MOST however, sell shit and put it in the banks.

If there is a way to earn money, someone will find it. Marketplace or no marketplace, there will be a way to sell their items.
e.g. Vapus
Alot of people went their to sell their shit, OTLand Marketplace opens, everyone sells their shit at Otland. Which I don't blame the staff for opening it, they stepped up to the competition.

People want to make as much money as possible, whether its to support an existing project or creating a new one. I can guarentee that Shadowcores would not exist if Talaturen made no cash from Otland.

Thats my opinion, take it as you like.

Myself, I enjoy earning the few bucks, it's a nice reward, but I've also contributed since I started Open Tibia (2005) more than I've sold anything.

ShadowCores would have existed either way. Not a single penny OtLand has made has been used to create ShadowCores. Money OtLand receives are donations, it's not going into my pocket and OtLand has a lot of costs (server, colocation, domain, forum software, licenses, CDN, ...). Besides, you don't seem to understand TFS development process or our reasoning to keep the source code private while working on the new versions which are ultimately released for free.

If someone spent a great deal of time (like Znote did on his AAC) do you people expect for real that such items will always be released for free?

Nothing is ever for free

I don't understand your definition of free, it seems to be contradicting. I don't understand how both you and Tyren can say that nothing is free, it is insulting to people who dedicate a lot of time to work on free software. You are also wrong about much you've said, but I see there's no point in arguing with you if you have that attitude ("dont tell me otherwise bcz its bullshit then").

 

[Fallen]

I don't understand your definition of free, it seems to be contradicting. I don't understand how both you and Tyren can say that nothing is free, it is insulting to people who dedicate a lot of time to work on free software. You are also wrong about much you've said, but I see there's no point in arguing with you if you have that attitude ("dont tell me otherwise bcz its bullshit then").

This and left shift it with a 65535.

 

[Deleted member 154984]

Talaturen GOES HARD!

I don't understand your definition of free, it seems to be contradicting. I don't understand how both you and Tyren can say that nothing is free, it is insulting to people who dedicate a lot of time to work on free software. You are also wrong about much you've said, but I see there's no point in arguing with you if you have that attitude ("dont tell me otherwise bcz its bullshit then").

 

[Deleted member 92788]

http://otland.net/f19/spellcreator-graphical-spell-creation-enviroment-160371/
http://otland.net/f18/9-60-9-61-forgotten-server-v0-2-14-mystic-spirit-166619/
http://otland.net/f118/modern-aac-wow-style-recoded-82488/
yeye free stuff
these are stuff you can download and use to make your ot server and earn money(not saying you should but im just posting these to prove my point)
so there are actually free stuff where the only thing you have to do is register somethings are free in this corrupted world ^_^

 

[Amoaz]

ShadowCores would have existed either way. Not a single penny OtLand has made has been used to create ShadowCores. Money OtLand receives are donations, it's not going into my pocket and OtLand has a lot of costs (server, colocation, domain, forum software, licenses, CDN, ...). Besides, you don't seem to understand TFS development process or our reasoning to keep the source code private while working on the new versions which are ultimately released for free.



I don't understand your definition of free, it seems to be contradicting. I don't understand how both you and Tyren can say that nothing is free, it is insulting to people who dedicate a lot of time to work on free software. You are also wrong about much you've said, but I see there's no point in arguing with you if you have that attitude ("dont tell me otherwise bcz its bullshit then").

So why didnt you remove marketplace yet? I Think I got an idea...
Also to gain access to your "free" software you have to buy premium. (Latest and most stable revs)
Yes TFS is free, but only outdated and buggy versions. Correct me if im wrong.

@Late, ye someone made a layout and released it, point? Dont you think theres another purpose aswell? To showoff work and prove that your actually good in what your doing. By doing so people get their eyes opened on you, and when you then next time sell a layout in the marketplace (which is ofcours even better) people will recognize the creator and his product will be easier to sell. Not to mention the extra rep he gets for doing so.
There are two MAIN categorys of people here on OtLand
1. People who do ANYTHING for a rep++
2. People who take a payment for their products.
Guess you belived in the whole Kony story aswell? My point is you have to look beneath the surface, everything is not as it seems at a first glimse

inb4 shitstorm.

 

[Mark]

So why didnt you remove marketplace yet? I Think I got an idea...

Really? Let me hear your idea, because I'm not using the marketplace at all so it doesn't benefit me to keep it, but there are things being sold there that I don't mind (such as tibia characters and hosting services). There are plans on restricting it further, to not allow selling OpenTibia scripts/maps/codes.

Also to gain access to your "free" software you have to buy premium. (Latest and most stable revs)
Yes TFS is free, but only outdated and buggy versions. Correct me if im wrong.

Latest are not most stable. Once the software is in a stable state, it is released. 0.2.14 was released yesterday. "Latest and unstable revs" would be better words for what you get with a premium subscription, because there is no one who is actively maintaining TFS trunk and it's full of bugs (over 80 active bug reports affecting it in the project tracker).

 

[OTLandAward]

So why didnt you remove marketplace yet? I Think I got an idea...
Also to gain access to your "free" software you have to buy premium. (Latest and most stable revs)
Yes TFS is free, but only outdated and buggy versions. Correct me if im wrong.

Congratulations! You are hereby nominated for the title "OTLand's biggest retard 2012".

 

[J.Dre]

Talaturen, you've made your point. Close the thread already! They won't stop. ^_^

 

[Fallen]

So why didnt you remove marketplace yet? I Think I got an idea...
Also to gain access to your "free" software you have to buy premium. (Latest and most stable revs)
Yes TFS is free, but only outdated and buggy versions. Correct me if im wrong.
inb4 shitstorm.

your posts are all full of shitstorm of fail

 

[Zisly]

So why didnt you remove marketplace yet? I Think I got an idea...
Also to gain access to your "free" software you have to buy premium. (Latest and most stable revs)
Yes TFS is free, but only outdated and buggy versions. Correct me if im wrong.

Look at this way instead: the server is a building. The private svn offers access to the construction site, the building is not completely ready for the public and you'll have to tread at own risk, you might get a brick in your head. When the construction work has a reached a point where it's deemed kinda safe and working, the building will be opened up for the rest of the masses, for free.

Btw, What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)

 

[Beo]

Really? Let me hear your idea, because I'm not using the marketplace at all so it doesn't benefit me to keep it, but there are things being sold there that I don't mind (such as tibia characters and hosting services). There are plans on restricting it further, to not allow selling OpenTibia scripts/maps/codes.

This is what everyone is waiting for, but why are they plans? This can be done in under an hour.

The point I'm trying to make is that your purchasing for access to the subversion. Therefore, it is not a donation. It is purchasing. You become Premium, not Donator (like it used to be). Therefore you are paying for extra privileges.

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Look at this way instead: the server is a building. The private svn offers access to the construction site, the building is not completely ready for the public and you'll have to tread at own risk, you might get a brick in your head. When the construction work has a reached a point where it's deemed kinda safe and working, the building will be opened up for the rest of the masses, for free.

Btw, What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)

But people have to pay to have a risk?
To access the subversion, you have to pay to become a premium member, therefore you are purchasing the subversion.

IF IT IS LEAKED FOR FREE; You get banned.


So tell me, how is it free?

 

[Deleted member 92788]

This is what everyone is waiting for, but why are they plans? This can be done in under an hour.

The point I'm trying to make is that your purchasing for access to the subversion. Therefore, it is not a donation. It is purchasing. You become Premium, not Donator (like it used to be). Therefore you are paying for extra privileges.

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But people have to pay to have a risk?
To access the subversion, you have to pay to become a premium member, therefore you are purchasing the subversion.

IF IT IS LEAKED FOR FREE; You get banned.


So tell me, how is it free?

Not rly, you're donating to otland, because of your donation they give you accsess to the newest but unstable tfs

 

[J.Dre]

The final, finished work is free. Access to the private subversion is an incentive for donations - it's not a product. Therefor, you're not buying a damn thing. :wub:

Tyren, donations can be morally correct or not. What do you think Churches do? They accept "donations" to avoid taxes, at least here in the U.S.A. It's an imperfect world, get over it.

 

[Pandarohoo]

This is what everyone is waiting for, but why are they plans? This can be done in under an hour.

The point I'm trying to make is that your purchasing for access to the subversion. Therefore, it is not a donation. It is purchasing. You become Premium, not Donator (like it used to be). Therefore you are paying for extra privileges.

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But people have to pay to have a risk?
To access the subversion, you have to pay to become a premium member, therefore you are purchasing the subversion.

IF IT IS LEAKED FOR FREE; You get banned.


So tell me, how is it free?

If you don't think Zislys explanation is good enough, then just forget about the private SVN and think that all the donations towards OTLand is to keep OTLand itself alive.

 

[Beo]

Not rly, you're donating to otland, because of your donation they give you accsess to the newest but unstable tfs

Donating?
Last time I "donated" it was called "Premium" therefore you are purchasing a product.

Do you "donate" to cipsoft and get "Premium" for free because you donated?
No, it is a product.

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The final, finished work is free. Access to the private subversion is an incentive for donations - it's not a product. Therefor, you're not buying a damn thing. :wub:

I guess TFS 0.4 was never completed then?


& Premium is a product, not a donation.


DONATE = Giving something for free, nothing in return.
PREMIUM = Extra access to something / more privileges.

Google.

 

[Deleted member 92788]

Donating?
Last time I "donated" it was called "Premium" therefore you are purchasing a product.

Do you "donate" to cipsoft and get "Premium" for free because you donated?
No, it is a product.

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I guess TFS 0.4 was never completed then?


& Premium is a product, not a donation.


DONATE = Giving something for free, nothing in return.
PREMIUM = Extra access to something / more privileges.

Google.

'The money received from premium subscriptions are seen as donations, and by donating you understand that a donation is a gift to support OtLand where you cannot expect anything back in return! However, as stated there are some benefits which MAY BE CHANGED at ANYTIME to fit the standards of OtLand. You understand that you will lose the benefits as soon as your Premium subscription has expired. You also understand that we, the administrators of OtLand, reserve the rights to remove your benefits at any time for any reason. By ordering a Premium Subscription you agree to these terms.'
???

 

[J.Dre]

I guess TFS 0.4 was never completed then?


& Premium is a product, not a donation.

No, it was never finished. It has actually been altered. Everyone who says "I need help with 0.4" is actually referring to what is now known as "0.3.7" - which was released in 9.54 (I believe). The 0.4 version isn't in development at this time (as far as I know).