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Graphic Designer Spriting service. (items/outfits/nature/grounds/repair)

can someone please block this person from posting in this thread?
I politely asked for private messages if there is still something unclear.
 
Why would be anyone blocking me? You're advertising your service here. And since I've had a "pleasure" of using your service, I have a right to give my review now, so others may know what they're getting into.

If anyone considers service of this guy, please take a look at this:
You are not paying for it to be yours. You are paying for the requested artwork.
Myself and anyone who do any artwork without any agreement (such as this one) can do whatever they want with the thing they made.
Same it goes with not sharing. This is our decision (people you are paying to) to not post it anywhere but just to be for your own use. This is obviously more logical but not legal at all. There isn't any law that says I cannot share the sprite once you paid me. We(spriters or any other artists) just think as humanbeing and think that we should not.
In other words, when you hire him, he will take the money and make the sprites for you, but he will still sell/give them away to others, cause why not. And he doesn't see anything inappropriate in it.
 
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If anyone considers service of this guy, please take a look at this:

In other words, when you hire him for real money, he will make the sprites for you, but he will still sell/give them away to others, cause why not.
Everyone who had the same experience with you probably would do the same, but additionaly do not refund you at all and post the whole spritesheet for free use.
 
Which is a fraud and only tells everyone what kind of person you are.
If someone is clever enough to read with awareness, there is no issue in knowing the situation and the cause of my decisions made with you.
 
If someone is clever enough to read with awareness, there is no issue in knowing the situation and the cause of my decisions made with you.

If you're that clever at "reading with awerness", would you mind reading the below points and telling everyone whether they're true or not?

  • You extended the time from "3-5 days" to over 3 weeks
  • Even after that time you did not deliver the complete subject of our deal (missing dead bodies sprites)
  • You did not send the money back
  • Despite not sending the money back, you posted those sprites in public forum as "free to use" and claim that you can "do whatever you want"
  • Did you verify my payment in advance on your bank account, and now you claim you have no access to that account, hence not sending the money back?

Just simple yes/no would be enough.

Seriously, whatever reason you think you had to do that, taking the money and not doing the job is called a fraud.
 
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If you're that clever at "reading with awerness", would you mind reading the below points and telling everyone whether they're true or not?

  • You extended the time from "3-5 days" to over 3 weeks
  • Even after that time you did not deliver the complete subject of our deal (missing dead bodies sprites)
  • You did not send the money back
  • Despite not sending the money back, you posted those sprites in public forum as "free to use" and claim that you can "do whatever you want"
  • Did you verify my payment in advance on your bank account, and now you claim you have no access to that account, hence not sending the money back?

Just simple yes/no would be enough.

I would also like to know your answer to these @marek12
 
I would also like to know your answer to these @marek12
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quoting my answer to this guy who have also posted under my other thread:

"I will repeat it 100th time- You have asked for a refund after I have sent you a spritesheet within the deadline agreed by both of us on forum and at the same time asked for email to send it over in .png files.

Even though it was extremely disrespectful and not fair from your side, I decided to refund you and clearly stated that I will refund you.

After that been said I have publish 1 out of 19 frames (3 animations=~ 5% of the work).

Once you would not be refunded/said that I won't refund it or once I have never replied after that, you could make this viral feedbacks full of lies to make you a victim and moan.

At the moment you are mental and I would seek for any medical advice.

Ignored at this point. Wish I have a clue if there is any chance to completely erase you from my sight for good."
 
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"I will repeat it 100th time- You have asked for a refund after I have sent you a spritesheet within the deadline agreed by both of us on forum and at the same time asked for email to send it over in .png files.

Even repeating it 100 times won't change the truth. You did not deliver it within the deadline, and the sprites of dead bodies - you did not deliver at all. We got tired of waiting.

Even though it was extremely disrespectful and not fair from your side, I decided to refund you and clearly stated that I will refund you.

After that been said I have publish 1 out of 19 frames (3 animations=~ 5% of the work).

And by that you again broke our agreement, as you said you wouldn't publish any sprites without our permission.

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"Zadnych spritow bez pozwolenia nie wstawiam" = "I don't publish any sprites without [customer's] permission".

Have the money sent back - they are yours again, and do with them whatever you want. But until then, you're not allowed to post them anywhere, not even "5% of the work", as they are still paid and you said you would't publish any sprites.
Besides, you're lying even at those calculations, cause you posted full animation of one side, which equals 50% of the outfit.

Once you would not be refunded/said that I won't refund it or once I have never replied after that, you could make this viral feedbacks full of lies to make you a victim and moan.

I guess here lies the clue you fail to understand: I was NOT refunded, and I wasn't told when I could expect to be. Saying you'd send the money [in unknown future] does not equal actually sending the money. Got it?
You said you'd refund it, but then you began to send us off with that stupid excuse of "sorry, no password to bank account and I don't know when I can recover it, bye".

And you're still not answering my points from the previous post. E.g. I'm still wondering, how did you verify my payment in advance (you demanded it before starting the work) on your bank account, but later when you're supposed to transfer it back from the very same account, it suddenly turns out you have no access to it, cause you "forgot password" 😂

Anyway, enough said. I'm now quoting the part where you've just said you'd refund it and will wait those 4 days more (that's atleast one concrete at the very last...) - just in case you'd want to edit it. Whether you return it or not - it will determine whether you're "only" extremely unprofessional or simply a scammer. Either way, I do not recommend this service.
I will be refunding the full amount as I mentioned before and I will message you and also post it in here once the transfer went trough.
It should not take more than 4days and depending on the delay you will receive the money regardless. (in case I cannot retrieve my password I will send the money from my original bank account, any fees will be deducted from the amount).
 
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I can confirm the translation from the screen.
I also would like to stand that I (online) "know" kay for a bit now (few years is it?), he is not a friend of mine (actually we rather argue with each other rather than having friendly talks, no hard feeling tho from both sides), but as far as can tell he is a rather reliable and wordy person. I can't see him profit from giving out negative feedback.

That being said, I never made any business with him, never bought anything from him, and so on. On the other hand, marek12 committed a bit into this forum on a few topics, he tried to resurrect the spriting section, and so on.
For me, it looks like marek12 was just simple unprofessional, but I truly believe it wasn't fully on purpose, he just happened to be in a new situation that he could not handle.

I would suggest for @marek12 to give money back to @kay and forget about this case - or better yet - learn from it.
 
I can confirm the translation from the screen.
I also would like to stand that I (online) "know" kay for a bit now (few years is it?), he is not a friend of mine (actually we rather argue with each other rather than having friendly talks, no hard feeling tho from both sides), but as far as can tell he is a rather reliable and wordy person. I can't see him profit from giving out negative feedback.

That being said, I never made any business with him, never bought anything from him, and so on. On the other hand, marek12 committed a bit into this forum on a few topics, he tried to resurrect the spriting section, and so on.
For me, it looks like marek12 was just simple unprofessional, but I truly believe it wasn't fully on purpose, he just happened to be in a new situation that he could not handle.

I would suggest for @marek12 to give money back to @kay and forget about this case - or better yet - learn from it.
Well. You are right. Situation like this one did not happen to me very often, in fact it is first time that I meet such a disrespectful person like Kay.
It's hard to stay professional while having my image trying to be shattered by some lies that have no reason for it.

The main point is, I have completely no idea why would he do that?

The best part of it, we were in the middle of conversation about the refunding(he did not even tried to sort it out before leaving such a feedback), he replied to me and straight away placed the negative feedback without even trying to explain the whole situation in full with me first.

Back to the point: I have never said to him I will not refund it, although I clearly mentioned it is completely unfair refund which I explained why in my answers to his feedback. Just tried to make it clear to him that he should not do what ia he doing now. It is more unprofessional and you can think of it.

There is 0 interest for me in having him scammed by myself. Why would I risk such a feedback and why would I scam on something I do as a hobby I truly love?
Answering his question why would I have accepted and confirmed the payment but not being able to refund from the same account at this time?-
I have an mobile banking app still installed on my old phone with fingerprint login set up, so I can access the account but to send the payment I have to type my password(for payments) manually which I do not remember. Due to my busy situation now and that I am working night shifts 5 nights in a week, I have said I will refund him but I cannot specify precise date and time that I do that. Straight after this message I had a reply from him along with his negative feedback. Most of the time I reply from my mobile on the forum.

This is unusual situation due to me accepting first time different type of payment than PayPal.

I have seen from the very first message that Kay sent me it is not worth arguing and I thought I will refund it just for peace of mind and we just never meat each other again as we both obviously won't work together anymore.


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Thanks for some real thoughts @Ochman about both of us.
 
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I agree with what Ochman said, I think you just accepted a kind of job u couldnt handle.
But there's no excuses for being disrespectfull.

You posted a paid job, didnt refund and gave so many fake excuses ( why not just refund the guy and settle this??)

I dont know kay, but I find quite unlikely a veteran would scam someone for no reason

Careful with that , this can damage your reputation in a way u can't even imagine
 
Would just like to say without reading too much of the above criticisms that Marek has done several animated sprites for me & my team now and I haven't had a single issue. Every sprite delivered was accurately detailed and working to spec. I will continue to use his services and others should understand ANY one with any sort of business receives both positive and negative feedback; it is simply impossible to please everyone. Marek does a lot of free work for my server without us even asking.. just as a courtesy. To me that's a quality of someone who really aims to please the customer and keep them coming back.
 
I agree with what Ochman said, I think you just accepted a kind of job u couldnt handle.
But there's no excuses for being disrespectfull.

You posted a paid job, didnt refund and gave so many fake excuses ( why not just refund the guy and settle this??)

I dont know kay, but I find quite unlikely a veteran would scam someone for no reason

Careful with that , this can damage your reputation in a way u can't even imagine

Well. People don't understands that Kay tried to scam me, not the opposite ...
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Would just like to say without reading too much of the above criticisms that Marek has done several animated sprites for me & my team now and I haven't had a single issue. Every sprite delivered was accurately detailed and working to spec. I will continue to use his services and others should understand ANY one with any sort of business receives both positive and negative feedback; it is simply impossible to please everyone. Marek does a lot of free work for my server without us even asking.. just as a courtesy. To me that's a quality of someone who really aims to please the customer and keep them coming back.
Pleasure to work with you guys. Honestly. :)
 
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Well. People don't understands that Kay tried to scam me, not the opposite ...

I think you've lost your mind completly. Just to remind:
  • I paid in advance
  • I wasn't delivered the finished subject of our deal after 3 weeks, when you said it'd be 3-5 days at worst slightly delayed due to overload of work
  • You were delaying the work forever, "cuz no time", meanwhile posting your new sprites in various threads daily.
  • You were not responding to messages right away, despite being active at forums.
  • You were posting those paid sprites at forum (though you said you wouldn't do that)
  • Lately you said I didn't even buy the sprites, but only paid you to draw them (sic!) hence I have no rights to them at all! Despite, you never warned us about that before the deal. And it's pretty obvious no one would be paying you just to draw something, but not for the graphic itself.
  • I'm asking for refund only because I wasn't given the finished work and I got tired of your awfully unprofessional attitude. Plus eventually you published it at open forum and it turned out I wasn't paying for what I thought I was (the sprites).
  • You're saying you cannot return the money, "cuz no password to bank account". Excuse of the year.
And to sum it up: after 4 weeks now I have no money and no sprites. And yet you were the one scammed? Like I set it all up and waited 3 weeks to potentially scam you for fucking 40 euro? 😂 But how could I even know you wouldn't finish your work? 😂 How is it going with recovering your bank password, by the way?

Seriously, there are only three facts that actually matter here: 1. you did not deliver finished work at all (after more than 3 weeks); 2. you posted some of those paid sprites at forum; 3. you still keep the money. Those 3 together define who was scammed here.
"Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from evil." - Matthew 5:37
 
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I have hired spriting artists from otland several times.
Without even reading or agreeing on anything, the terms have always been clear.
I as a buyer pay x amount of cash. To recive a sprite that NONE else has the rights for. Hence I am the buyer.

How would you feel like when hiring a carpenter to lay a floor in your apartment/house. You pay up front and the carpenter completes the floor, but only YOU may walk on it, you and that carpenter. None of ur guests that visit you may walk into that room. Nope, carpenter doesn't allow it..
 
I have hired spriting artists from otland several times.
Without even reading or agreeing on anything, the terms have always been clear.
I as a buyer pay x amount of cash. To recive a sprite that NONE else has the rights for. Hence I am the buyer.

Obviously, nobody would be paying someone just to draw the sprites, and not to gain rights to it. It's a common sense. We made a deal via private messages and he never mentioned otherwise to us, nor referred to that at all.
Just a reminder, to everyone who considers paying him:

You are not paying for it to be yours. You are paying for the requested artwork.
Myself and anyone who do any artwork without any agreement (such as this one) can do whatever they want with the thing they made.

Besides, he's also lying about lack of agreement here, as we did have an agreement on which we paid the money. lul
 
The thing I'm confused of here is how would he know he received the money in the first place if he couldn't access his bank? And to reset it, it's a case of either phoning them and doing it over the phone and/or waiting for a letter to be received from the bank.

This just doesn't add up.

The rest of this thread however, is unclear but I would usually expect that if someone were to commission you to do a specific sprite, that sprite would become theirs. Similar to a design company paying a designer to make a logo. They then can't resell that logo as it belongs to the company that hired them (albeit, this is usually indicated within a contract). Yet in this scenario, it hasn't been outlined as such and therefore I can understand the confusion. It would just be expected that it would be this way.

It also shows an edit around the time of you saying it was "written in the thread that you retain the rights" as Nekiro identified. So... The whole behaviour seems sketchy to say the least. You also argue he has received the sprite but so have everyone else on the forum now, since you released it.
 
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