@Flatlander
Sorry for misleading, I didnt mean countries that leads the table. I meant countries that are considered as best for living and has much more higher taxes than your theory says. You should check best countries for living table.
https://lifestyle9.org/worlds-best-country-to-live-in-2013/
"You have 10 million people in Sweden with a 60% tax rate." still can't find it even on that source, which is pretty weird
--LGTB, I think you over-react about everything, and are a highly-emotional reactionary group that tries to get insane things done by crying the loudest, so fuck you. No one cares if you are Lesbian, Gay, Trans, or whatever, but don't try to change society to match your fucked up world view.
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First of all, I completely agree with you that people should accept the fact that Donald Trump won, we all have our own opinions, he fought for his and he won.
I personally was rooting for Bernie and I don't agree with alot that Trump is saying. But like you said, he won, and that's it, it's pointless with people being violent now.
However, it's really sad that you have this opinion of LGBTQ people, and that we are all "crybabies". This is a TED Talk video that I believe speaks for us all LGBTQ people, this is what we want, watch it if you want, don't if you don't. I personally recommend it, it's so good:
The PULSE shooting was the (worst mass shooting?) in the US, targeting LGBTQ people. It occured in a place where LGBTQ people was feeling safe, were LGBTQ people harmful in any way? Absolutely not, they were just out there, having fun and celebrating. Was this shooting even classified as a hatecrime? Nope.
Also, you do realize that without gay-marriage etc. LGBTQ people do lose some rights since they're not married? We don't give a fuck if you like it or not, we want our rights.
When these kind of stuff still happends, where LGBTQ people are targeted, expect LGBTQ to be loud and have stuff to say about it.
their parents may not have paid taxes (which i doubt )@Flatlander
The reason I joined the conversation was your sentence where you said "If someone does not use college service, he dont have to pay for them." That shocked me.
So, based on your theory, if child is born to poor family that does not have money for college or even worse, healthcare, the child's future is already written because you can say it won't get college education even if it would be able to.
I have some points that will probably be absolutely out if your theories. I am from Slovakia but I have some friends that study high school or university in Denmark:
- they get everything for free
- some of them are even paid from government of Denmark (mostly for good marks)
- their parents did not pay any taxes in Denmark and will never do
- they are accepted by society as regular danish citizens
- after they finish study, they return home and won't pay anything back
All of them have been given a chance to get an education no matter how many money they had. That's the point. Everyone in EU can apply to any university in EU with no charge.
Yes, you're right .their parents may not have paid taxes (which i doubt )
but someone had to pay for their schooling, not everything is "free"
@Flatlander
The reason I joined the conversation was your sentence where you said "If someone does not use college service, he dont have to pay for them." That shocked me.
So, based on your theory, if child is born to poor family that does not have money for college or even worse, healthcare, the child's future is already written because you can say it won't get college education even if it would be able to.
I have some points that will probably be absolutely out if your theories. I am from Slovakia but I have some friends that study high school or university in Denmark:
- they get everything for free
- some of them are even paid from government of Denmark (mostly for good marks)
- their parents did not pay any taxes in Denmark and will never do
- they are accepted by society as regular danish citizens
- after they finish study, they return home and won't pay anything back
All of them have been given a chance to get an education no matter how many money they had. That's the point. Everyone in EU can apply to any university in EU with no charge.
I would rather have freedom than "High Living for All"
It is heartless, but I believe a better country is built upon making responsible citizens.
Currently we have people having TONS of children when they do not have the income to support it, because they know the government will just pour free money into their pockets.
If they knew "Hey, if I have a child, we may all starve to death" people would be forced to be more responsible.
It is heartless, but my ideas can be simply stated as:
"If you don't work, you don't eat"
We will all watch movies, of some rich white guy being shipwrecked on an island, and he finds a tribe of people, and he tries to take some food and they slap it out of his hands and says "If you don't work, you don't eat." This man then might be a crybaby and not work, sit in a corner, but sooner or later he comes out of hiding and starts working, and becomes part of the community, and people begin to respect him and we all cheer "Yay, great movie, white rich guy learned the value of a hard days work."
But as soon as you put this in context of a family, you all disagree.
Man and woman don't work hard, or are lazy, or are poor, but they can manage and feed themselves.
They then have a child, and can't feed it, and we all say "That is terrible, that child should not starve because of their parents, give them money."
Then that family has 4 kids, quits working, and lives off the welfare of the state, and you have NO WAY OUT. Our choice is, "let them starve, or give them free money."
They hold us hostage by our morals. It's basically a hunger strike. "I refuse to be responsible, and I will put myself in a bad situation, and if you don't feed me I will die and you will feel bad."
Well sorry, I might feel bad, but I won't enable your reckless and immoral ideals of forcing me to pay for your survival.
The past already showed it doesnt work. I am sure if you would spend like 1 year in Denmark or similiar country you would change your mind.
Excuse me? Did you actually call socialist countries lazy?It doesn't work, right.
Other than the fact that America is built upon the idea of the "American Dream" which is the idea that if you come here, work hard, you can be successful.
The idea of Denmark is "If you come here, and do nothing, you can live a cushy mediocre life."
Sorry I don't like that, I want the best, and brightest people of the world to move to my country because they know that we reward hard work, good ideas, and success, and we punish bad ideas, and lazy people.
Lazy people can all move to Denmark and other socialist countries. I'd rather have a country of hard working, smart, and inventive people.
If you want free colleges? Make a charity and have people voluntarily donate towards that idea.
Want free healthcare for the poor? Make a charity and have people voluntarily donate towards healthcare.
But, you should not send people with guns to everyone's house to FORCE them to donate to causes you think are justified. That to me, is immoral behavior.
Now, a country is generally a place of like-minded people. The citizens of Denmark agreed upon the idea of Free College and Free Healthcare and they agree that it should be taken out of Taxes. But that does not mean it would be a moral, and good thing, to force all other countries to do the same.
Very well put.I do not like Trump, I don't care if you like him or not.
But, in a democracy, we use the freedom of speech to voice our opinions and work out issues.
To anyone who thinks being violent is a good solution, or are proud that they assault people who support Trump, this message is for you.
If you are in the US, this is a democracy. We use the freedom of speech, and voting, along with the constitution and bill of rights to help make laws and elect our representatives.
Even if you didn't like Hillary, you could have still voted for your House Representatives and Senators to support your ideals and help with Checks and Balances. But, PEOPLE (not republicans) voted in a Majority Republican House, Majority Republican Senate, and President-Elect Trump.
You can protest, you can voice your concerns, but being violent about this is immoral. We don't live in a Dictatorship, you aren't going to stage a coup d'état and put someone else into the White House. You are protected by our laws and you have the rights of free speech and freedom to protest. You do not have the right to be violent. You also don't have the right to "get what you want" when it is against the law.
Trump will be the president for the next 4 years. Figure out what went wrong, make changes, and try again next election.
Why was your candidate a very corrupt woman? Why didn't more people vote 3rd party so they had a platform? (You need 15% and they get on stage, then they can start taking an effect).
Imagine if instead of Hilary, Michelle Obama was the candidate? She'd have beaten trump no problem. Bernie probably could have beaten Trump as well (even though I don't agree with his Policies)
Instead of throwing a violent tantrum now, work to fix yourselves for the next election.
Also, to anyone who thinks Trump is going to start deporting legal citizens, you are an idiot.
--Muslims, you are fine, he doesn't want to deport you or care that you are in the US, he wants rational background checks on new muslims (such as Refugees) entering the country to avoid the rampant issues and terrorism happening in European countries.
--Mexicans, you are fine, he doesn't care about you unless you got here illegally, and even then he doesn't have the means to deport you unless you are doing illegal activities inside the US.
--LGTB, I think you over-react about everything, and are a highly-emotional reactionary group that tries to get insane things done by crying the loudest, so fuck you. No one cares if you are Lesbian, Gay, Trans, or whatever, but don't try to change society to match your fucked up world view.
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Excuse me? Did you actually call socialist countries lazy?
And you claim that smart people go to the US because their hard work is valued?
Give me a break, ignorance really is bliss.
Socialist systems themselves allow lazy people to get free stuff by definition.
That is BUILT IN to the system.
You have a bunch of amazing citizens, working hard and doing their best to be successful. And then they are taxed, and a large percentage of their income is given to people that did not work for that money.
That is the entire "Idea" of a socialist system. It is Forced Charity.
This is true, happens in Sweden..--If you have a system that gives out free welfare, you will have people migrate to take advantage of that system.
@Flatlander
You mean american dream that:
- produce biggest amount of homeless people
- produce the same pollution as China (which is almost 4-times more population)
- produce 2.5x more pollution than Europe with same population and same quality of life (or even worse) than Europe
- the half of parlament say the global warming is not a problem, even new elected president say that - everything for business