I think this is a big problem in the US. You guys think you have the best of everything.
About Anti-Trump people turning violent
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--EDIT FOR DETAILS OF HOW I THINK THINGS SHOULD WORK AND NOT WORK--
Group A: - People who own businesses.
Group B: - People who work for Group A.
Group C: - People who work entry-level low-paid jobs.
Group A gets Cancer - They have the money, they pay for treatment. Problem solved.
Group B gets Cancer - They may not have the money on-hand, they get loans from Group A, and cure cancer, then pay back the loans over the years.
Group C gets Cancer - This is where we split.
Socialism Group C gets Cancer - Group A and B are forced by people with guns to pay for Group C's Cancer. (The government is always people with Guns, because at the end of the day every law is enforced with violence and removal of freedom)
Capitalism Group C gets Cancer - They may be able to leverage their houses for loans, or start a charity to pay for their cancer treatment, but group A and B are not FORCED to pay for Group C against their will.
Socialism is fine if Group A and B outnumber group C by a large amount.
But what if group C starts growing... people keep moving into your country and they are all Group C people.
Sooner or later Group A and Group B people will not enjoy being taken advantage of by Group C people, and maybe they try to stop paying for their cancer.
Then the government comes and puts the Group A and B people in jail, and now all you have left is group C people. Good luck with your country.
thats what im doing thank you skattebetalare. me and my family came to sweden a dark night in our rowing boatThis is true, happens in Sweden..
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I have legitimate reasons to believe the idea of freedom is better than the idea of socialism.
And I am fully ready with logic and reason to defend my ideals.
I have a lot of freedom as well as free hospitals
plx come with your guns and your bald eagle to deprive me of my freedom.
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I dont know what are you talking about freedom. NSA spy almlst every move of every citizen in US. US want to jail snowden, EU parlament gave him asylum as human rights protector. Also EU said it is illrgal for spy agencies to collect metadata.
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Like I said, America isn't perfect.
No country is, and being the most powerful, also means we have the ability to be one of the most corrupt. (Power Corrupts)
But imagine if you switch America with Saudi Arabia.
Or switch America with North Korea.
Make America have the population and defense budget of another country, and put some other country in possession of this much power. There are much worse outcomes than us.
America is at least TRYING to be good. We may fail sometimes, we are made up of 300 million people all with their own goals and dreams.
And 1% of the human population are said to be Psychopaths.
So we have 3 million Psychos running around and studies show Psychopaths are more likely to be successful. Which means most likely a large amount of CEOs and maybe some Politicians are Psychopaths.
Knowing this, were doing at least a SOMEWHAT decent job at trying to be a "good force" in the world.
man @Flatlander what heavy shit are you on
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I am a realist.
I look at logic, and the best data we have, and make a decision on what is best based on that.
I simply responded to someone asking "what Bernie policies did you not like?"
Then when I said "His Socialist policies" I was met with "These policies work in Sweden."
So I gave my reasoning why I don't agree that it would work here, and why I prefer capitalism over socialism.
Then people started bashing America for bad things it has done/is doing. So I admitted America isn't perfect and I agree the things they said were bad, but I still stand by my ideal that Capitalism is the way to go.
You're not doing anything that can be a good force. You're fucking delusional.
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Anyways, The original post was to tell people who think the solution to not getting their way is violence, that they are not "in the right". They are being immoral and idiotic.
I'm done arguing on whether or not socialism is the best or America is evil. Social services CAN be good, but it has it's flaws. Capitalism can be good, but it has it's flaws. Neither system is perfect.
Anyways, The original post was to tell people who think the solution to not getting their way is violence, that they are not "in the right". They are being immoral and idiotic.
I'm done arguing on whether or not socialism is the best or America is evil. Social services CAN be good, but it has it's flaws. Capitalism can be good, but it has it's flaws. Neither system is perfect.
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You keep forgetting that most left organizations (those from before 1991/1992) are product of soviet intelligence propaganda and funding. Those people doesn’t believe in freedom, democracy or even tolerance. They believe in marxist political warfare and getting power to destroy any opposition. And by destroy I mean any "necessary" way of doing so.
I honestly doubt it. Bernie is communist. To be honest some of his ideas sounds like one of many speeches of Bolesław Bierut, Władysław Gomułka or Wojciech Jaruzelski. Google who those people were xD
Are you sure? Can You present any data on trends of your economy (stuff like purchasing power of your currency, etc.) and demography? Japan was also paradise some time ago with USA funding high taxes and state interventionism. But now this his hellhole with major demographic disaster which will drag them into collapse within few generations.
Talking about tax rates is useless without talking about stuff like regulations. You can impose high taxes, but if those taxes are relatively simple(in terms of calculating/paying them) and there aren't many regulations to limit market, then it could work fine. The problem starts when State impose high taxes and then goes full-mental on regulations.
You're are not cry-babies. You're almost anti-democracy fascists xD You always try to impose your ridiculous ideology on everyone.
You're also anti-scientific backward propagandists who uses "homophobia" and that whole "you choose your gender" very loosely without any respect to science.
X-PHOBIA is medical term used to describe someone with mental people and who are unreasonably afraid of something. And you just label everyone who doesn’t like you with term “homophobe”. Not liking you is not equal to being afraid of you. I would find few people who don’t like You but are not afraid of You.
Transgender stuff is just unscientific bullshit which totally ignores that sex-chromosomes XX/XY are responsible for producing proper chemical compound like sex hormones or different proteins which later influences development of brain. If some male(XY) thinks that he is female(XX), then there is serious mental problem and his brain cannot receive proper signals from the rest of his body.
Maybe problem lies with receptors of sex-related molecules on neuron’s cell membrane. It wasn’t never research properly by anyone with real academic degree in biochemistry, because of that bullshit political correctness, You promoting so much..
First of all, your rights depend on humor of 51% of voters. If you wanna “your rights” then be nice to them, pay them and lobby them.
Secondly, please do not mistake “your rights” with “equality”. So called “gay marriage rights” are not equal to “marriage rights”. Legally speaking those are two different sets of laws which are not equal to each other.
There isn’t any inequality when there aren’t any gay rights laws, because all people are still equal in the eyes of the law. Any female or any male cannot do something and this is equality. The fact that female can marriages male is not related to female-female/male-male marriages.
This system works for thousands of years and generated progress until XX century. Socialists ideas generated two major world wars, minor conflicts and bloody Russian civil war that created USSR.
Also the same people who talk about poor people, created ideas of “racial trash” and mass-killing of people to “manage” populations. I’m talking about mr. Engels who came up with fancy worlds like “volkerabfelle” and “weltsturm” in many of his “brilliant” works like “The Magyar Struggle”
You really should learn the history of ideology You want to support, before you jump into it…
Slovakia is part of European Union. Which means that You guys are paying heavy taxes and are forced to impose heavy EU’s regulation of your market. It’s not like You don’t pay for that
So what? Real and stable economy is based on heavy industry factories, on shops, on physical services. Most of European universities included in that idiotic Erasmus projects are either humanist bullshit or slightly sell bullshitty economic universities.
I do. But I’m to lazy to look for data that will for example show socialist countries patenting less than none-socialist countries.
Also basics of their their ideology is anti-human. Humans are animals and animals are greedy. We are smart, because when I’m smart then I can get much more than everyone else. And this is why Europe dominated world with our progress between 14th and 20th century. This is why USSR/PRC/other socialist/communist regime never won technological race with US.
We don’t like being equal with other people, especially when We see other people being dumber or less effective, which force me to put more effort or force me to give some portion of my wealth for them.
1. You’re very naïve if you think that spy on citizens is something new or bad. State must know many shady things if it wants to keep itself from being destroyed form inside or being invaded by people who got access to strategic defense data.
2. Snowden argument is REALLY stupid. This guy went to People’s Republic of China and later to Russia. You really think that they will keep him if He didn’t have any serious intelligence? You should know that if Snowden was innocent then Russia or China would just give him to US, because they would make some kind of economic or political deal. Politics is bitch.
3. UE is run by ex-marxists people who doesn’t even understand the meaning of “human rights” and they also collect data on their own citizens xD
Whoa… Quite long if you ask me… xD
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Can you also argue with post about pollution ? Which is probably the most important thing US should change.
So your super mega giga best system:
- produce biggest amount of homeless people
- produce the same pollution as China (which is almost 4-times more population)
- produce 2.5x more pollution than Europe with same population and same quality of life (or even worse) than Europe
- the half of parlament say the global warming is not a problem, even new elected president say that - everything for business
"Socialist" system in Denmark:
- almost no homeless ppl
- 100% green energy
- one of best medical care in the world for free (paid from taxes..)
- free schools & universities
- ppl dont complain about taxes, they raise them themselves
Can you also argue with post about pollution ? Which is probably the most important thing US should change.
So your super mega giga best system:
- produce biggest amount of homeless people
- produce the same pollution as China (which is almost 4-times more population)
- produce 2.5x more pollution than Europe with same population and same quality of life (or even worse) than Europe
- the half of parlament say the global warming is not a problem, even new elected president say that - everything for business
"Socialist" system in Denmark:
- almost no homeless ppl
- 100% green energy
- one of best medical care in the world for free (paid from taxes..)
- free schools & universities
- ppl dont complain about taxes, they raise them themselves
I can't. I'm not ecologist, neither I studied any environment-related subject or read any serious pollution-related research paper from any scientific journal.
"My system" on the other hand is the more progressive one in terms of science, rather than SJW stuff. For a moment let's just assume that I'm not from Poland. I'm from USA
1. I don’t care about homeless people. Really. It’s not my fault.
2 &3 . Pollution? I'm from the country that applies for the biggest number of patents. Juts after patent-spamming China. So My country is the one who will first achieve new and “green” energy technologies as well as technologies of disposing already existing wastes. You on the other hand must rely on what? Wind? Water? Basic atomic based on toxic uranium, rather than new-tech thorium solutions which are developed in my country…?
Even official in China talk about focusing on developing new green technologies, because they’re starting to be annoyed but all of those smogs in all of their major cities and industry centers. And currently China is the biggest source of industrial patents, so you know that they are serious about it.
4. Can You present me with any proper and broad research paper that proves humanity major role in global warming? Because if you’re really looking for someone to blame then go and blame India or pet-loving citizens across the world… I don’t know if you realize but live-stock or domestic animals have bigger impact on environment that cars…
That's because Denmark was rich and important trading region before they went mental and decided to go full-marxist. You cannot argue that socialism work in countries like Denmark, Sweden or Switzerland. Those are rich countries, they were either neutral in many important wars or the major battles (subsequently destruction, thievery, decrease in population) didn’t happen on their soil. Those places got rich when they were kingdoms (or some kind of confederacy in case of Swiss) and now They have money to fund those socialist experiments for some time.
If you look at:
- Russia/USSR, after bloody civil war at the end of first World War;
- People’s Republic of Poland and other soviet satellites, which were directly incorporated into USSR, after the second Word War;
- “East Germany”, after the war and before it was incorporated into “West Germany”;
- North Korea, after both USSR and PRC decided to cut their support to DPRK and started to do business with South Korea;
- Some lesser countries, in Asia, Africa and South America (including Cuba), that adopted socialism/communist due to Soviet’s intelligence influence and funding pro-soviet guerilla;
…You’ll notice that socialism doesn’t work in time of peace, when You have to rebuild your country after war, or when you’re young post-colonial African/Asian/South American country, that required to establish itself for the first time, without any rich overlord from across the ocean.
People there are not complaint YET.
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Haha, the typical US ideas, 98% of scientists are not enough for you to say global warming is real. Yes you've got patents but your business lobby is so fucked up that it's impossible to use them and sad thing is that - people dont care. They buy mustang that eats 15 litres of gas per 100km to feel like a "real american".
Please check documentary Before the flood with LeonardoDiCaprio you will get answers for your arguments. US simply produces biggest waste in the world per one citizen. I've experienced that also 1 month ago when I was doing round-trip in west US (California, Arizona, Nevada). You will get meal for 12 dollars with plastic work, plastic knife, plastic plate, after you eat your meal you put everything to trash. Crazy and sad. France illegalized usage of those plastic shit for example.
Even in my poor country we're not gettin meals with those plastic shit.
About India: Should not be your super mega giga system example for those poor countries ? If all indians would produce the same waste as you, we would need 3 Earths.
Give me names of at least 10 major ecologists and give me their research papers, which are broad studies of global warming effect and which provide all major factors involved in that effect with pointing out major role of human's heavy industry.
Dude… Patents can be used until there isn’t any law that specifically bans technique, process, activity, etc. patented in that application. And the content of application itself is kept secret from the moment of applying until patent office approves it. Lobbies doesn’t have any access to the content to be even able to ban it or something.
Do you even know how law works…?
Your cat/dog eats food, shits shit and uses oxygen/emits carbon dioxide. For nature/environment it is much more hard to replenish / get rid of, than some amount of carbon dioxide from that Mustang car xD
Car requires only small piece of land with plants. Any animals, especially carnivores, requires piece of land to grow food for other animals which will later be “convert” into food for your animal, piece of land to keep that animal-food, piece of land to convert waste and CO2 emitted by that animal-food, piece of land to keep your animal, piece of land to converst CO2 and shit produced by you animal, etc.
If you want to talk about global warming in scientific tone of facts, then operate on real scientific arguments like bibliography of research papers, not on some document with oscar-winning-actor-wannabe. This is the same as trying to get any scientific facts out of The Bing Bang theory… xD Like seriously. Be adult about it.
They are the biggest or the second economy after China (it depends on economist’s view), so expecting from them to produce less waste is either naïve or borderline retarded.
France is full of radical Muslims who reproduce 10x faster than native French people and they will take over country within few generation, so looking at that Marxists/politically correct idiots in French elites is very stupid idea
Because your country is too poor to invest in development of biopolymers which could be produced in big tanks of bacteria batches xD
And they don’t give a damn, use cheap plastic and invest money too later get more green of efficient sources of biodegradable plastics.
Wut…? My examples of poor countries was part of topic in regard to happiness of Dutch people who have money to invest in socialistic experiments and about socialism not working in rebuilding/young States. It had nothing to do waste production, so I don’t understand why the hell you connected those parts.
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