Tibia Relic - a long-term reversed 7.4 project discussion thread

[kay]

Imaginary friends yes, sure. People have servers to run, lives to care about. They do not want to waste time arguing with someone like you on Otland.

And yet, that's exactly what you're doing. But still can't back your accusation up with anything. All that you were able to say is that you allegedly talked to "some people" and they didn't like me, so I can't be right, rotfl.
PS "Your psychiatrist just called me and lamented over the fact that you escaped from the closed ward, but he begged me not to bring him in!" - this is the same level of "argument" as your stories. Enough of this play, you are added to my ignore list, bye.

 

[Firemac]

And yet, that's exactly what you're doing. But still can't back your accusation up with anything.
PS Your psychiatrist just called me and lamented over the fact that you escaped from the closed ward, but he begged me not to bring him in! Enough of this play, you are added to my ignore list, bye.

Yes thats exactly what I am doing. I was not refering to myself, I was talking about them. Maybe your peanut-sized brain can't comprehend the difference?

Very funny! Your jokes are as fun as you are smart, brainiac.

 

[Terotrificy]

No but you don't seem to understand Kay. Except for your henchmen, I've talked to various people working with their servers and the general consensus is that people do not like you. I've had people reading this argument between you and me and they are begging me not to bring them in because they do not want to deal with your bullshit.

But I guess that is impossible to be true because who would dislike the mighty, honorable and glorious Kay who didn't comment on several servers stealing your so-called hard work XD. Pathetic.

If I were to take anything from Tibiantis, I would definitely ask Kay first whether he is okay with it, not because of legality, but out of respect for someone else’s work, (specially Kay who has been helping me in the past with guidance over different mechanics of the game, which as far as I understand is also your case) whether to build upon it or even copy it directly. In fact, it can even be flattering when others want to base their work on yours.

As for Cipsoft, In nearly 20 years has never enforced any legal claims over its sprites or leaked server, which clearly shows their stance; it is obvious they do not care, and their material is already widely distributed.

Imho, at this point, it would be enough to simply admit the mistake and acknowledge that you should have asked or at least informed him beforehand. That would not make you any less.

 

[MC Kresha]

idk guys but i really dont think kay gives a shit about anyones opinion.
i mean its like telling a billionaire their shoes are ugly.
ok cool?

 

[Firemac]

If I were to take anything from Tibiantis, I would definitely ask Kay first whether he is okay with it, not because of legality, but out of respect for someone else’s work, (specially Kay who has been helping me in the past with guidance over different mechanics of the game, which as far as I understand is also your case) whether to build upon it or even copy it directly. In fact, it can even be flattering when others want to base their work on yours.

As for Cipsoft, In nearly 20 years has never enforced any legal claims over its sprites or leaked server, which clearly shows their stance; it is obvious they do not care, and their material is already widely distributed.

Imho, at this point, it would be enough to simply admit the mistake and acknowledge that you should have asked or at least informed him beforehand. That would not make you any less.

Again, I don't really give a rats ass about this guy and I already said he is a rat the same as Kay for acting a victim. There is no reason for you to lick his ass and try to justify his behavior.

Oh really? Can you read what this screenshot says? You must understand something about enforcing legal claims from one country to another, especially concerning OT servers. It is something VERY costly, and takes a VERY long time to do. Why do you think WoW rarely manages to shut down one of the big private servers, when they are as big as they are? This screenshot is just one of many. Their stance is obvious - They do not like OT servers, period.

At this point, you should consider what you write before posting because you are just making yourself look stupid with claims like "In nearly 20 years..."

 

[Adposatnr]

Again, I don't really give a rats ass about this guy and I already said he is a rat the same as Kay for acting a victim. There is no reason for you to lick his ass and try to justify his behavior.

Oh really? Can you read what this screenshot says? You must understand something about enforcing legal claims from one country to another, especially concerning OT servers. It is something VERY costly, and takes a VERY long time to do. Why do you think WoW rarely manages to shut down one of the big private servers, when they are as big as they are? This screenshot is just one of many. Their stance is obvious - They do not like OT servers, period.

At this point, you should consider what you write before posting because you are just making yourself look stupid with claims like "In nearly 20 years..."

and what kind of answer did you expect from cm?

"yes we are happy they are making unofficial servers and we are fine with that"? xD

 

[elao]

specially Kay who has been helping me in the past with guidance over different mechanics of the game, which as far as I understand is also your case

Post in thread 'Tibia Relic - a long-term reversed 7.4 project discussion thread'

Dec 28, 2025

So, after we dedicated our time to answer all your questions and help you unselfishly, you shamelessly decided to copy-paste all the content from our website (terms of use, game rules, and basically every other subpage content, including house pictures) and even steal our sprites, without a word. Every time I think one could not go any lower, an otland user comes along and proves me wrong.

By the end of March I sent you a DM asking for some guidance on building a server. You explained to me the difference between the leaked files and TFS.

Then I asked you if there was a map...

• elao

By the end of March I sent you a DM asking for some guidance on building a server. You explained to me the difference between the leaked files and TFS.

Then I asked you if there was a map editor for leaked files. You answered there is none and pointed REC Decompiler that I could use to try to read the binary code.

Then in September I asked you for directions to display the speed in skills tab. You said I could get in touch with Lord. And I did. He was very friendly and gave me directions.

And that's it about "all of my questions".

Since I cannot edit my main post, I want to publicly apologize and thank @LordCompi for assisting me with the speed value in skills tab.

Kay acts like he gave me his code for all the 7.4 mechanics, map files, etc. But this was literally the guidance I got. Not that he didn't want to give me more info. But that was all I asked lol.

Maybe I didn't thank him enough?

https://imgur.com/a/jm3Updn

Imho, at this point, it would be enough to simply admit the mistake and acknowledge that you should have asked or at least informed him beforehand. That would not make you any less.

I apologized to Lord for not mentioning his help with the Speed thing on the client on the main post (I didn't mention anything about the client).

As I said before 4 times already: this server is not using any of Tibiantis custom sprites in-game. None of his creatures are being used.
His public spr file was used as startup to get speed on the development, just like many other servers do. Most of his objects were removed, but didn't sync with the spr file to remove unused sprites. As I said here:

There might still be some remnants of those sprites in the .spr file that I'll be removing from it. But again, none of them are being used in-game.

Which I already did, if not all, for most of it.


I didn't accuse him of stealing Cip sprites as he is claiming, someone else here did. I only compared it to the fact that he started creating his file using Cip's as a base. And in the same way, I started mine using his as a base. But none of his custom sprites are anywhere in the server map.

 

[Terotrificy]

Again, I don't really give a rats ass about this guy and I already said he is a rat the same as Kay for acting a victim. There is no reason for you to lick his ass and try to justify his behavior.

Oh really? Can you read what this screenshot says? You must understand something about enforcing legal claims from one country to another, especially concerning OT servers. It is something VERY costly, and takes a VERY long time to do. Why do you think WoW rarely manages to shut down one of the big private servers, when they are as big as they are? This screenshot is just one of many. Their stance is obvious - They do not like OT servers, period.

At this point, you should consider what you write before posting because you are just making yourself look stupid with claims like "In nearly 20 years..."

Words are that, words. Actions in the other hand are what proves your real stance, cipsoft dont give a sigle fuck, that's it.
Nintendo is clear on his stance through their actions, that doesnt means they are able to sue and win every single battle they have.

How come i have to explain it to a 30~ yo big ass to understand basic stuff, jesus christ. Now i understand why you copy pasted everything from Tibiantis, you are brainless.
Good luck with your Ditto server.

 

[elao]

Words are that, words. Actions in the other hand are what proves your real stance, cipsoft dont give a sigle fuck, that's it.
Nintendo is clear on his stance through their actions, that doesnt means they are able to sue and win every single battle they have.

How come i have to explain it to a 30~ yo big ass to understand basic stuff, jesus christ. Now i understand why you copy pasted everything from Tibiantis, you are brainless.
Good luck with your Ditto server.

What are you even saying bro, Firemac is not part of the team lol

 

[Firemac]

and what kind of answer did you expect from cm?

"yes we are happy they are making unofficial servers and we are fine with that"? xD

What stupid comment is this? I expect what their official statement is? I'm willing to swear that close to all polish people are paranoid and has 0% trust in anyone because of what happened to you guys in history.

People make claims. I prove Cipsoft standpoint, and some random polish streamer comes along and starts some kind of conspiracy about it. Like it's impossible to have a discussion, argument or conversation with some people that are very special.

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Words are that, words. Actions in the other hand are what proves your real stance, cipsoft dont give a sigle fuck, that's it.
Nintendo is clear on his stance through their actions, that doesnt means they are able to sue and win every single battle they have.

How come i have to explain it to a 30~ yo big ass to understand basic stuff, jesus christ. Now i understand why you copy pasted everything from Tibiantis, you are brainless.
Good luck with your Ditto server.

What the hell are you on about? It's very clear that you have 0 idea what you are talking about. I tried explaining to you how hard it is to take legal action against private OT servers and gave you the example of how Blizzard is struggling with several big private WoW servers but it just flew right over your head.

Unless someone actually challenges me besides these comments devoid of any sane logic, I'm not answering anymore.

 

[Adposatnr]

What stupid comment is this? I expect what their official statement is? I'm willing to swear that close to all polish people are paranoid and has 0% trust in anyone because of what happened to you guys in history.

People make claims. I prove Cipsoft standpoint, and some random polish streamer comes along and starts some kind of conspiracy about it. Like it's impossible to have a discussion, argument or conversation with some people that are very special.

if their answer would be something like "we are fine with those servers" it may make it problematic to sue such servers in future so obviously you wont get answer like that how stupid you are? also such answer discourage people from trying such servers/investing a lot of time into them

thats atleast from cipsoft perspective

 

[Firemac]

if their answer would be something like "we are fine with those servers" it may make it problematic to sue such servers in future so obviously you wont get answer like that how stupid you are? also such answer discourage people from trying such servers/investing a lot of time into them

thats atleast from cipsoft perspective

I'm only answering you to highlight to any sorry reader how stupid you really are.

You have 0 grounding with this opinion of yours. You are basically making a case and the only thing you have to back it up is your own personal feelings about how you think it is.

Again, we have Cipsofts statement claiming that all OT servers are illegal. AND we have readily at hand a lot of information showing how hard it is for companies to take legal actions across the internet over borders. Just check how even big organisations located in Hollywood how much they try to combat online Piracy but fail. How many years did it take for them to "take down" ThePirateBay? And it's still up and running.

These things cost A LOT of money and are VERY HARD to do. Cipsoft made 24 million €~ in 2024. After paying taxes, probably 13 milllion €, maintenence, salary etc, I wonder how much of that is left. Do you really believe a small company like Cipsoft has what it takes to hire 20-50 lawyers to combat these private servers? No. So stop making stupid opinions based on what you FEEL, because that is completely irrelevant. Come at me with some facts instead.

 

[Firemac]

CipSoft will never sue fat guy in his basement because he has 600 players on his OTS.

Yes you are completely correct because suing that fat guy in his basement will cost Cipsoft hundreds of thousands if not millions based on the individual. And even if they spend all this money, it's not even certain that they will succeed because it's hard.

 

[Terotrificy]

What are you even saying bro, Firemac is not part of the team lol

My apologies, somehow I misunderstood him with you, not nice, I regreat.

What the hell are you on about? It's very clear that you have 0 idea what you are talking about. I tried explaining to you how hard it is to take legal action against private OT servers and gave you the example of how Blizzard is struggling with several big private WoW servers but it just flew right over your head.

Unless someone actually challenges me besides these comments devoid of any sane logic, I'm not answering anymore.

You keep using Blizzard as an example, honestly it blows my mind you don't get it.

There is a HUGE difference between "trying and not always succeeding" versus "not trying at all".

Blizzard actively attempts to shut down private servers, that's a matter of fact. They even agreed to open a vanilla server not so long ago in order to stop the private vanilla servers.

They send cease-and-desist letters, file lawsuits, and pursue legal action whenever it is viable even if they don’t win every single case.

CipSoft, on the other hand, has not even tried ONCE. In fact, when their core engine was leaked in 2007 with full debug symbols at a time when Tibia was at its absolute peak, guess what? they still did not sue lol. They did not even attempt to reclaim that intellectual property, and did not launch any meaningful legal campaign, nothing. At most they sent some mails to Dennis asking to give it away, but they just left it as it was.

If there was ever a moment where legal action would have been obvious, justified, and easy, that was it. They CHOSE NOT TO. And they also chose not to open any vanilla server, which would instantly kill most of the successful vanilla servers out there.

So comparing Blizzard’s legal difficulties and behavior to CipSoft’s behavior and lack of interest (laziness) in this matter is simply low IQ.

 

[Adposatnr]

I'm only answering you to highlight to any sorry reader how stupid you really are.

You have 0 grounding with this opinion of yours. You are basically making a case and the only thing you have to back it up is your own personal feelings about how you think it is.

Again, we have Cipsofts statement claiming that all OT servers are illegal. AND we have readily at hand a lot of information showing how hard it is for companies to take legal actions across the internet over borders. Just check how even big organisations located in Hollywood how much they try to combat online Piracy but fail. How many years did it take for them to "take down" ThePirateBay? And it's still up and running.

These things cost A LOT of money and are VERY HARD to do. Cipsoft made 24 million €~ in 2024. After paying taxes, probably 13 milllion €, maintenence, salary etc, I wonder how much of that is left. Do you really believe a small company like Cipsoft has what it takes to hire 20-50 lawyers to combat these private servers? No. So stop making stupid opinions based on what you FEEL, because that is completely irrelevant. Come at me with some facts instead.

it was answer to somebody asking about those servers probably rubini ot in this case tell me what do you expect cm will answer? will he say "yea its fine for us they can host them" just think about it twice


it was probably ctrl c ctrl v answer aswell

 

[rinoo]

If you are planning on opening a 7.4 slow-paced server, where people are forced to put a lot of time and work into playing it, and where the stability of the server also depends on the player base meaning it can't be viable if only 10 people playing.. I highly recommend not copying other people's work in any form... believe me people notice it instantly. If you do, me (and most people) will consider it a red flag, and it will be demotivating to play (and especially to pay), since in a 7.4 slow-paced environment, time and effort are everything. Why would I break my back playing it if the owner used the “short way”? why wouldn’t I bot? why wouldn’t I cheat? I would just not take it seriously. Nobody is going to take it seriously.

I completely avoid copy-paste servers if they are retro slow-paced. For fast war servers, I don’t like it either, but I play them for a few days and don't waste money on it. On the other hand, originality is always highly appreciated and valued by players. I'm gonna pass from this one for now.

 

[MC Kresha]

regarding the cipsoft stuff
iirc a long time ago some otland user who was supposedly a lawyer made a statement that if tibia were to take legal action it would require them to do so towards every server and in perpetuity otherwise it'd backfire. the defence could argue that cipsoft has known about open tibia servers for a long time and they never decided to take action meaning that it was by some definition or understanding acceptable to them.
idk if he was even a lawyer or a tibia player or its just a figment of my imagination but take it as u want.

 

[elao]

If you are planning on opening a 7.4 slow-paced server, where people are forced to put a lot of time and work into playing it, and where the stability of the server also depends on the player base meaning it can't be viable if only 10 people playing.. I highly recommend not copying other people's work in any form... believe me people notice it instantly. If you do, me (and most people) will consider it a red flag, and it will be demotivating to play (and especially to pay), since in a 7.4 slow-paced environment, time and effort are everything. Why would I break my back playing it if the owner used the “short way”? why wouldn’t I bot? why wouldn’t I cheat? I would just not take it seriously. Nobody is going to take it seriously.

I completely avoid copy-paste servers if they are retro slow-paced. For fast war servers, I don’t like it either, but I play them for a few days and don't waste money on it. On the other hand, originality is always highly appreciated and valued by players. I'm gonna pass from this one for now.

You are welcome to give it a try first, then you can say something about copying other ppl work. Every new custom content, lore, quest, creatures, npcs are original to this server.

 

[kay]

My apologies, somehow I misunderstood him with you, not nice, I regreat.


You keep using Blizzard as an example, honestly it blows my mind you don't get it.

There is a HUGE difference between "trying and not always succeeding" versus "not trying at all".

Blizzard actively attempts to shut down private servers, that's a matter of fact. They even agreed to open a vanilla server not so long ago in order to stop the private vanilla servers.

They send cease-and-desist letters, file lawsuits, and pursue legal action whenever it is viable even if they don’t win every single case.

CipSoft, on the other hand, has not even tried ONCE. In fact, when their core engine was leaked in 2007 with full debug symbols at a time when Tibia was at its absolute peak, guess what? they still did not sue lol. They did not even attempt to reclaim that intellectual property, and did not launch any meaningful legal campaign, nothing. At most they sent some mails to Dennis asking to give it away, but they just left it as it was.

If there was ever a moment where legal action would have been obvious, justified, and easy, that was it. They CHOSE NOT TO. And they also chose not to open any vanilla server, which would instantly kill most of the successful vanilla servers out there.

So comparing Blizzard’s legal difficulties and behavior to CipSoft’s behavior and lack of interest (laziness) in this matter is simply low IQ.

Well, there once was a time when OTS projects were openly discussed on their fansites, such as tibia.de, where even some of the Cip members were active, and they didn't mind it then. Probably because they also started off as an Ultima fan project (which is where they got many sprites from). Anyway, it wasn't even the main point, who copied what. The point was that elao was asking us for a favor, and right after he got it, he decided to be an asshole out of pure laziness. That's just sad.

Kay acts like he gave me his code for all the 7.4 mechanics, map files, etc. But this was literally the guidance I got. Not that he didn't want to give me more info. But that was all I asked lol.

No, I don't. I made it very clear in the beginning that it was minor stuff (general guide and some client issues). Still, whatever it was, we dedicated our time to you - not to gain anything for ourselves, but only to help you achieve want you wanted. This thread shows how you acted in return, and anyone whom you're gonna ask for help now should be aware of this. I'm not saying that stealing from anyone else here would be fine, not at all. It still makes you look like a cheap crook either way, but even worse when you do that to someone who was always nice to you. That's all I wanted to express here.

I apologized to Lord for not mentioning his help with the Speed thing on the client on the main post (I didn't mention anything about the client).

That was never the point, stop twisting the topic. You asked Lord about your client issues and he gave you the solution. There was no "credits required", or any other condition at all, so just enjoy it, that's not the problem. But don't quietly copy all of our stuff afterwards and lie that it is "exclusively" yours, how about that? Just because "other servers do it" doesn't mean that you have to be doing it too. If you had only asked if you could somehow use some of that stuff, you might have just gotten it or we would have again guided/helped you to make yours. There is no need to be such a scumbag.
I'm outta here, cause it's like talking to a wall anyway, and for all the other readers enough was said to draw their own conclusions.

 

[Firemac]

My apologies, somehow I misunderstood him with you, not nice, I regreat.


You keep using Blizzard as an example, honestly it blows my mind you don't get it.

There is a HUGE difference between "trying and not always succeeding" versus "not trying at all".

Blizzard actively attempts to shut down private servers, that's a matter of fact. They even agreed to open a vanilla server not so long ago in order to stop the private vanilla servers.

They send cease-and-desist letters, file lawsuits, and pursue legal action whenever it is viable even if they don’t win every single case.

CipSoft, on the other hand, has not even tried ONCE. In fact, when their core engine was leaked in 2007 with full debug symbols at a time when Tibia was at its absolute peak, guess what? they still did not sue lol. They did not even attempt to reclaim that intellectual property, and did not launch any meaningful legal campaign, nothing. At most they sent some mails to Dennis asking to give it away, but they just left it as it was.

If there was ever a moment where legal action would have been obvious, justified, and easy, that was it. They CHOSE NOT TO. And they also chose not to open any vanilla server, which would instantly kill most of the successful vanilla servers out there.

So comparing Blizzard’s legal difficulties and behavior to CipSoft’s behavior and lack of interest (laziness) in this matter is simply low IQ.

You've got a lot of statements here, did you work at Cipsoft or how do you have this information? Or are these statements coming from your personal feelings?

There is nothing wrong with using Blizzard as an example because it's a perfect example to use especially since I have facts to back it up. Why would I need to change to different examples when it perfectly highlights the issue with going after private servers?

I also used Hollywood as an example, why didn't you mention it? Like is it too much for your brain to handle?