About Anti-Trump people turning violent

[Flatlander]

Not really into these debates but whenever I read about politics, I get the feeling that it comes down to this:
Feelings VS Reality and facts

It doesn't seem to exist a fine mix of the two

The problem really is a large portion of people have been "brainwashed" into cult-like communities.
If you actually watch interviews with them, they believe things that are simply not based in reality.

So for example: Imagine you are taught that anytime someone says "Hello" to you instead of "Hi". They are a Satan worshiper and they are trying to steal your soul.
You'd have people running around, terrified of all the Satanic People saying "Hello" all the time.
Maybe some of them would turn to violence, anytime someone says "Hello" to them, they attack them, because they are trying to protect their soul.
These people might petition the government to protect them. Stop these Satan Worshipers from saying "Hello". It should be illegal to use such words.

This is exactly how the current far left works. They make up crazy rules on how to determine if someone is evil or not.
Then they try to get politicians to make laws to protect them from these people.
When the politicians say that is unconstitutional, of course they are ONE OF THE EVIL GUYS!!!
So now they believe people that are truly evil are in power, they think the only way to fix the system is to have a Revolution.
And not a peaceful one, they think a Violent Revolution is the way to solve all their problems.

 

[e.e]

1. What’s to dare? You SHOULD compare socialism to communism. To be honest communism was the first actual type of “socialism”. None-communist socialist tuned down their hardcore collectives ideas because populations in most western countries didn’t like commies. They took over Russia with bloody Russian civil war and so called “Republicans” tried to take over Kingdom of Spain in also bloody Spanish civil war. Going full-retard on communist idea would only marginalize those socialist, so they came up with “socialism” that was softcore version of commies.

This is basically true. Socialism is a milder form of communism just like US capitalistic republicanism is the milder form of nazism/fascism.

Hitler was reading works of early socialists, same with Lenin and Stalin. Or Mao. Or Pol Pot. Etc.

This, and the rest of your point #2, on the other hand is completely ridiculous.
What you're saying here looks exactly the same as the argument that Breivik's massacre was a result of the "violent video games" (CoD and WoW) that he played :lol:
Like are you serious?
Hitler was also on the absolute opposite side on the political spectrum to where socialism is.
Socialism being on the left, nazism being on the extreme right.

These people might petition the government to protect them. Stop these Satan Worshipers from saying "Hello". It should be illegal to use such words.

This is exactly how the current far left works

Actually that's pretty much how Trump work who is currently representing the far right. Everyone is saying bad stuff about me, make them shut up, goddamn fake news :'(
The whole LGBTQ pronouns thing seem like a right-wing red herring to me.
Sure, a lot of those people are irrational, but as an extension of being an Average Joe (mediocre minds), not as an extension of their political affiliations. You have these people all over the political spectrum, they're using politics as a weapon to retaliate for their own personal frustration or for personal gains.
Generally though, bullying, selfishness and irrationality is generally credited to the right side much more.
Maybe this is why the right wing has become so obsessed now about these people/this new phenomenon of narcissistic neo-leftists, because finally they've got someone to point and laugh at or fear-monger about who is just as crazy and ridiculous as they are, serving as some kind of deprived and twisted psychological mirroring of themselves.

 

[LEDneotoxicity]

The Unites States is both a Constitutional Republic and a Democracy.
A Constitutional Republic is a FORM of Democracy.

The same way that a Square is always a Rectangle, but a Rectangle is not always a square.
A Constitutional Republic is always a Democracy, but a Democracy is not always a Constitutional Republic.

Just in case you need more explanation:
A constitutional republic is a state in which the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people. They must govern within an existing constitution.

A democracy means rule by the people.[1] The name is used for different forms of government, where the people can take part in the decisions that affect the way their community is run. In modern times, there are different ways this can be done:

1. The people meet to decide about new laws, and changes to existing ones. This is usually called direct democracy.
2. The people elect their leaders. These leaders take this decision about laws. This is commonly called representative democracy. The process of choosing is called election.[2] Elections are either held periodically, or when an officeholder dies.
3. Sometimes people can propose new laws or changes to existing laws. Usually, this is done using a referendum, which needs a certain number of supporters.

Now, if you'd like to refute any of my points rather than try to beat me on word definitions (which you lost) then we can have a conversation.
I can only assume you support violence, which simply makes me sad, but not surprised.

I am surprised by the amount of eloquence in your response and I apologize for my shorthand. I've gotten to the point where I'm just tired of people so I automatically assume the usual, moronic responses.

 

[Flatlander]

This is basically true. Socialism is a milder form of communism just like US capitalistic republicanism is the milder form of nazism/fascism.


This, and the rest of your point #2, on the other hand is completely ridiculous.
What you're saying here looks exactly the same as the argument that Breivik's massacre was a result of the "violent video games" (CoD and WoW) that he played :lol:
Like are you serious?
Hitler was also on the absolute opposite side on the political spectrum to where socialism is.
Socialism being on the left, nazism being on the extreme right.


Actually that's pretty much how Trump work who is currently representing the far right. Everyone is saying bad stuff about me, make them shut up, goddamn fake news :'(
The whole LGBTQ pronouns thing seem like a right-wing red herring to me.
Sure, a lot of those people are irrational, but as an extension of being an Average Joe (mediocre minds), not as an extension of their political affiliations. You have these people all over the political spectrum, they're using politics as a weapon to retaliate for their own personal frustration or for personal gains.
Generally though, bullying, selfishness and irrationality is generally credited to the right side much more.
Maybe this is why the right wing has become so obsessed now about these people/this new phenomenon of narcissistic neo-leftists, because finally they've got someone to point and laugh at or fear-monger about who is just as crazy and ridiculous as they are, serving as some kind of deprived and twisted psychological mirroring of themselves.

I am very interested in you.
When I read this, I wonder where you are getting your information. Can you give sources for your information?

First Response to you saying Nazism is extreme right. You are wrong. The Right generally wants no regulations, and as much capitalism as possible.
For example, when Hitler took over Austria, he didn't "Take it over" he was voted in with a 98 percent landslide.
Why? The economy in Austria was terrible, and they heard news that everyone in Germany had a job, and the economy was great, so they thought "how much worse could it be".

So of course, once Hitler was in power, he elected tons of officials to run Austria, and what did they do? They asked everyone to work, Men and Women. Everyone made a wage.
Basically the society that socialism/communism wants, and Hilter provided, are nearly identical in almost every single way.

If you want, hear it from the mouth of a survivor in Austria:

Now, lets move on to the idea that Trump is a fascist.
Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

I have not seen Trump actually shut down speech from anybody (If he has, please link me, I am happy to change my mind with additional information).
He might express his opinion on what is Fake News or not, but he can say whatever he wants.


It is the LEFT that shut down people, does not allow them to speak, and they get violent when you don't listen.
It is a REGULAR occurrence now in America for Colleges to have speakers dis-invited because it would simply not be safe. Not because no one wanted them to speak, because of literal terrorism from the leftists that go to that school.

Also the groups like Bamn (By Any Means Necessary) and Antifa (Anti-Fascist), which are basically fascists themselves, turn up to any free speech rally, trump rally, or any place someone who is speaking that they do not agree with, and they attack the people at those rallies. (Doesn't happen in where I live in Texas, because we all have guns, and if we see some guy smash a child over the head with a bike lock, a nearby citizen would shoot him in the face)

There are bad people on both sides, but currently the left in America at least has the largest group of violent radical nutjobs that has existed in america in recent history. And the problem is, they all think they are completely justified and are the "good guys" fighting the "bad guys". When they really are basically terrorists, using violence to shut down political views they do not agree with.

And even more dangerous, the media in our country is mostly left, so they will either not cover, or purposely mislead people.

 

[Blinkz]

Trump's a Fgt

 

[Arashel]

This is basically true. Socialism is a milder form of communism just like US capitalistic republicanism is the milder form of nazism/fascism.

No. Nazism and fascism are types of SOCIALISM. Those are so called national socialist types of economy. Main characteristics of those type of economies are:
- heavily regulated economy;
- nationalized heavy industry and and big state-owned latyfundia;
- private property is only limited to small businesses and small private lands;
- medium and bigger, non-heady industry-related, enterprises being controlled either by those heavy regulations or state officials / party members being in charge of them;
- economic growth is based mostly on state investments, often called "X year plan"

Idea of capitalism is quite the opposite towards those characteristics. Capitalism = free market.

This, and the rest of your point #2, on the other hand is completely ridiculous.

There is old new paper article:
HITLERITE RIOT IN BERLIN
Beer Glasses Fly When Speaker Compares Hitler and Lenin
New York Times, November 28, 1925, p.4.

BERLIN. Nov. 27. – The National Socialist-Labor Party, of which Adolf Hitler is a patron and father, persists in believing Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted in a party meeting. Two weeks ago an attempted discussion of this subject led to one death, sixty injuries and $5,000 damages to beer glasses, tables, chairs, windows and chandeliers in Chemnitz. Last night, Dr. Göbells tried the experiment in Berlin and only police intervention prevented a repetition of the Chemnitz affair.
On the speaker’s assertion that Lenin was the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight, a faction war opened with whizzing beer glasses. When this sort of ammunition was exhausted a free fight in which fists and knives played important roles was indulged in. Later a gang marched to the offices of the socialist paper Vorwärts and smashed plate-glass windows. Police made nineteen arrests.

Sooooo. Yep. Hitler was left-leaning. They just reband themselves into "nazism", because of the anti-cumminist trends in western Europe.

What you're saying here looks exactly the same as the argument that Breivik's massacre was a result of the "violent video games" (CoD and WoW) that he played :lol:

Brevivik is mentally fucked dude. It has nothing to do with Hitler. There isn't any analogy between saying that Hitler is left and saying that videogames are result of Breivik's crimes.

Hitler was also on the absolute opposite side on the political spectrum to where socialism is.
Socialism being on the left, nazism being on the extreme right.

What's the definition of right and left? Because, there is major misconception that Hitler was right. He wasn't. Many of his ideologies were similar to ideologies of Stalin. That stupid division into right and left doesn't make sense and it is very blurry.
The basic idea of systematics and division into category, is to create those categories and create very specific definition that makes it easy to understand why particular object/subject is consider to be part of one category and not the other one.
Both Hitler and Stalin had heavily regulated economies, both had 4/5 years plan of state investments into economic growth and infrastructure growth, both had social care systems, both had very small businesses in hands of private people, both had very military-oriented "themes". And what are the differences? Nationalism? Not really. When Hitler beat the shit out of Stalin's forces, Uncle Joe re-instituted transmission of orthodox masses in state-controlled radio and very eagerly used propaganda machine where He encourage people to fight for the "motherland". Also Hitler's ethno-nationalism and Stalin's internationalism were very similar to some degree. First one based his propaganda loosely on very young scientific discipline of genetics with idea that Germans are batter than other, and Stalin

If you really want to use this kind of simplistic and linear division into left and right, then those two must be either consider far-right or far-left. There is too many similarities and too few differences to consider them opposite. They were opposite to each other because of their political ambitions, nothing more. But with this logic, Leon Trocki - extreme left guy, more left than Stalin, should be also consider far-right, because he was in kind of conflict with Stalin himself.

 

[e.e]

When I read this, I wonder where you are getting your information. Can you give sources for your information?

Read: Lets play this game; I ask you for sources, you give me sources, I tell you your sources are bad, repeat until you're fatigued - having wasted your time and energy on a rigged game/scam, claim victory.
No ty. I know extreme right-wingers like to play this game of turning the world upside down (yes, much like satanism in fact), saying up is down and down is up, black is white and white is black, fascists are libertarians and libertarians are authoritarians, but obviously I'm not gonna waste my time on playing that psychotic game with you.
If you don't agree that the political left is generally (much) more libertarian or in fact that libertarians are on the political left, and the political right is generally (much) more authoritarian (I'll grant you one exception; communism is also authoritarian, however based on ideas of equality), then we don't have a foundation to even have a political discussion.

First Response to you saying Nazism is extreme right. You are wrong. The Right generally wants no regulations, and as much capitalism as possible.

It's just a historical fact... You might as well say 2 + 2 isn't equal to 4, asking me for sources. To solve 2 + 2 grab a calculator (or is a calculator not a good enough source?), to find out which side on the political spectrum communism and nazism/fascism is on grab Google or Wikipedia.
Oh look, both you and Arashel are mentioned here!

Notable Americans try to push Nazism to the other side of the political spectrum, or deny that Nazism was truly right-wing.

Brevivik is mentally fucked dude. It has nothing to do with Hitler.

Right, because Hitler wasn't mentally fucked and he had nothing in common with Breivik?
They weren't for example both extremely racist, happy to kill loads of innocent people, claiming and believing themselves to be heroes?

Anyway guys, I didn't come in here and make a post to have a heated political discussion with any of you, and I'm not interested in that. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
I just wanted to point out that some of what you guys were saying was just pure bullshit imo, giving you a chance to defend or reconsider/reevaluate your positions to whatever degree.
I can be full of shit too, I was especially full of shit some years ago and to some degree I still am, even posting here - because I don't actually know that much about politics and maybe it looks like I'm acting like I do, but that's not the intentions; I'm not trying to be the big guy or something here, just felt like challenging some of the stuff you were saying because it just seemed to make little to no sense to me, and yet you talk with such confidence, and in the last posts I think you guys were making huge factual errors claiming that nazism is on the left and stuff... so that had to be challenged as well.

Dunno what more there is to be said. Well, if you guys have any personal criticism to me about my conduct here I'd like to hear it either here or in PM.
I'm sure I can be a major twat, but I need to know exactly how to improve.
And sorry for not being game, it's just not my style.

 

[Flatlander]

Read: Lets play this game; I ask you for sources, you give me sources, I tell you your sources are bad, repeat until you're fatigued - having wasted your time and energy on a rigged game/scam, claim victory.
No ty. I know extreme right-wingers like to play this game of turning the world upside down (yes, much like satanism in fact), saying up is down and down is up, black is white and white is black, fascists are libertarians and libertarians are authoritarians, but obviously I'm not gonna waste my time on playing that psychotic game with you.
If you don't agree that the political left is generally (much) more libertarian or in fact that libertarians are on the political left, and the political right is generally (much) more authoritarian (I'll grant you one exception; communism is also authoritarian, however based on ideas of equality), then we don't have a foundation to even have a political discussion.


It's just a historical fact... You might as well say 2 + 2 isn't equal to 4, asking me for sources. To solve 2 + 2 grab a calculator (or is a calculator not a good enough source?), to find out which side on the political spectrum communism and nazism/fascism is on grab Google or Wikipedia.
Oh look, both you and Arashel are mentioned here!



Right, because Hitler wasn't mentally fucked and he had nothing in common with Breivik?
They weren't for example both extremely racist, happy to kill loads of innocent people, claiming and believing themselves to be heroes?

Anyway guys, I didn't come in here and make a post to have a heated political discussion with any of you, and I'm not interested in that. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
I just wanted to point out that some of what you guys were saying was just pure bullshit imo, giving you a chance to defend or reconsider/reevaluate your positions to whatever degree.
I can be full of shit too, I was especially full of shit some years ago and to some degree I still am, even posting here - because I don't actually know that much about politics and maybe it looks like I'm acting like I do, but that's not the intentions; I'm not trying to be the big guy or something here, just felt like challenging some of the stuff you were saying because it just seemed to make little to no sense to me, and yet you talk with such confidence, and in the last posts I think you guys were making huge factual errors claiming that nazism is on the left and stuff... so that had to be challenged as well.

Dunno what more there is to be said. Well, if you guys have any personal criticism to me about my conduct here I'd like to hear it either here or in PM.
I'm sure I can be a major twat, but I need to know exactly how to improve.
And sorry for not being game, it's just not my style.

I am not playing any "game" as you put it.
If you said my sources were bad, I would ask you to provide evidence for your reasoning. The DIFFERENCE between me and you, is if you provide evidence, I will actually look into it.
And if you provide compelling evidence I will change my mind. Unlike you.

Instead it seems you will look at my evidence, and think "Nope, this doesn't match what I believe, so it must be wrong. Only things that match perfectly with what I believe are good sources of evidence."

The reason everyone seems to be against you on this forum, is you are clearly wrong. Maybe you are one of the brainwashed leftists I was refering to. But I can only hope you would do some research and be open minded. Locking yourself in a Echo-Chamber where anytime someone disagrees with you, you excuse yourself from the conversation after screaming "I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG". Doesn't help anyone.

 

[Arashel]

Right, because Hitler wasn't mentally fucked and he had nothing in common with Breivik?

I didn't say nothing about Hitler's mental state... I just said that there isn't any actual analogy between those two subjects and you chose the line of the least resistance to present them as similar things...

They weren't for example both extremely racist, happy to kill loads of innocent people, claiming and believing themselves to be heroes?

It has nothing to do with accusation of video game-related violence... Your line of thoughts is chaotic mess and you jump around everything that sound remotely similar to other things, without explaining it. It's really hard to discuss with someone like that.

Anyway guys, I didn't come in here and make a post to have a heated political discussion with any of you, and I'm not interested in that. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
I just wanted to point out that some of what you guys were saying was just pure bullshit imo, giving you a chance to defend or reconsider/reevaluate your positions to whatever degree.
I can be full of shit too, I was especially full of shit some years ago and to some degree I still am, even posting here - because I don't actually know that much about politics and maybe it looks like I'm acting like I do, but that's not the intentions; I'm not trying to be the big guy or something here, just felt like challenging some of the stuff you were saying because it just seemed to make little to no sense to me, and yet you talk with such confidence, and in the last posts I think you guys were making huge factual errors claiming that nazism is on the left and stuff... so that had to be challenged as well.

Dunno what more there is to be said. Well, if you guys have any personal criticism to me about my conduct here I'd like to hear it either here or in PM.
I'm sure I can be a major twat, but I need to know exactly how to improve.
And sorry for not being game, it's just not my style.

Jeez... Let's just summarize your behaviour and problems with it:
You quoted my old post from 6 month ago and you said that I'm wrong. You created some hypothesis about similarities between nazism/fascism and capitalism; differences between Hitler and socialism, etc. Here is your first problem: You said it, but didn't bother to present any actual arguments like small characteristics of Hitler's economy and general model of socialistic economy.

I came here and answered You by giving quote from historical piece of newspaper or presenting small/general characteristics of Hitler's economy. Here's your second problem: What did You do? You just ignored it.

Instead of answering my points, You show another(third) problem: You said that You're not interested in discussion and yet you put response to my 6 months old post in this fairly inactive thread. You made this problem even more problematic when You basically stated that you're too cool for further discussion. But still... Why did you respond to my old post...?

Your fourth is kinda the first one: You again stated that we are wrong, without even trying to expalin my alleged mistakes. You wne t even further and accused people of being full of shit.

The last problem: And at the end of your pathetic and egoistic tirade you required to continue this talk in PM, but then why did you address my 6 month old points on public forum instead of writing on PM?

So... My working hypothesis is simple: You're typical stubborn egoist and uneducated random from internet, who REALLY wants someone to acknowledge your opinion with any regards is this opinion is based on any actual and accurate knowledge. You're just here to state that I'm wrong and You're right, because there is no other option and you don't have to explain yourself or acknowledge someone else's explanations...

 

[e.e]

I am not playing any "game" as you put it.
If you said my sources were bad, I would ask you to provide evidence for your reasoning. The DIFFERENCE between me and you, is if you provide evidence, I will actually look into it.
And if you provide compelling evidence I will change my mind. Unlike you.

What drugs are you on mate?
You literally haven't shared a single link to me yet, how can I "change my mind as a result of evidence" that you haven't even tried to provide me? All you've done so far is ask me where I got my sources from LOL.
Are you seriously this delusional?

The reason everyone seems to be against you on this forum, is you are clearly wrong. Maybe you are one of the brainwashed leftists I was refering to. But I can only hope you would do some research and be open minded. Locking yourself in a Echo-Chamber where anytime someone disagrees with you, you excuse yourself from the conversation after screaming "I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG". Doesn't help anyone.

Oh... I guess you are I have no idea where you get the idea from that I think everyone are against me on this forum other than one of two reasons; either 1. you read the latest post I made outside of this thread where I misinterpreted what one guy in a thread meant which was cleared up minutes later, or 2. you're just projecting.
It's hard to tell where the line is drawn between idiocy and delusion, so I'm not gonna (don't have to) pick either one, who knows, maybe both are true (or neither - we'll never know, because any input from you is unfortunately equal to white noise in terms of substance).

I didn't say nothing about Hitler's mental state... I just said that there isn't any actual analogy between those two subjects and you chose the line of the least resistance to present them as similar things...

You objected to my analogy saying "breivik was a mentally fucked dude". The implication then is, whether you intended it or not, that Hitler was not mentally fucked, why the hell else would you mention it?

It has nothing to do with accusation of video game-related violence...

Wondering at this point if you even comprehend analogies or what they are...

Your line of thoughts is chaotic mess and you jump around everything that sound remotely similar to other things, without explaining it. It's really hard to discuss with someone like that.

? I'm just addressing the parts of what you've been saying that's remotely worth answering, unlike your 20 lines long rants on the details of how it was to be a jew during Hitler's time, as if 1. you know anything about that matter, and 2. as if it's in any way relevant to whether nazism is on the political left or on the political right...
If you want a review on your primary school essays on nazism feel free to offer me some incentive (like say $40/hr) and I'll gladly give you the F grade that you deserve

Jeez... Let's just summarize your behaviour and problems with it:

Thank you.

You quoted my old post from 6 month ago and you said that I'm wrong.

Yes I quoted your 6 months old or whatever post, but I wasn't the one bumping the thread - whomever bumped the thread got me looking at it
What's wrong with replying to 6 months old posts anyway? Are you saying you don't want the attention, and that you're actually not interested in this topic or having people reply to you beside the fact that you've made around 10 posts in this 5 page thread (that's 20% of the posts.... if my calculator is working right.... ) before I even quoted you for the first time? LOL

You created some hypothesis about similarities between nazism/fascism and capitalism; differences between Hitler and socialism, etc.

I didn't hypothesize anything. You made and shared the observation or belief of yours that socialism is a milder form of communism, I responded saying I agree and made a similar type of observation only on the other side of the political spectrum - namely the connection between US' republicanism and nazism/fascism.

Anyway, I see you're not actually going to give me any criticism like you just said you would (who would ever suspect that a right-winger would back down on his word, or simple con or cheat...) about my conduct here and instead you're just baiting me back into attacking your strawmen or taking your circus seriously, which is really an impossibility in the long-run when you're acting like a psychotic clown, much like Trump, trying to make a giant circus out of everything; juggling and unicycling all over the place

I thought I'd give you guys a chance to show that you have some human/rational potential in you. That although you both appear to be completely deluded idiots, having clearly no theoretical nor practical understanding of these or probably any other matters either, that actually there's at least a couple of braincells in there still working... I must say I'm very disappointed to learn that there is not
Well, time to move on to some group of people that actually have some human or intellectual potential left in them > 0

 

[Arashel]

Okay. I'm going to end here, because you're still refusing to properly explain your opinions about me being wrong on the subject of Hitler's socialist nature and carefully not quoting those parts of my post on that subject.
You're just random for internet. You're not professor Norman Davies. You're not entitled to saying "you're wrong about Hitler being socialist" and immediately making it the fact or some kind of current trend in historiography.

I'm also not interested in just insulting You or reading insults addressed towards me. This is just colossal waste of time.

 

[Get_Rooked_469]

This discussion looked very promising, a shame.

I believe a moment of self reflection, and somewhat contradictory statement, is in place.

The evil of man is that he loves to act as the teacher of others.
Mencius ​

 

[Flatlander]

What drugs are you on mate?
You literally haven't shared a single link to me yet, how can I "change my mind as a result of evidence" that you haven't even tried to provide me? All you've done so far is ask me where I got my sources from LOL.
Are you seriously this delusional?


Oh... I guess you are I have no idea where you get the idea from that I think everyone are against me on this forum other than one of two reasons; either 1. you read the latest post I made outside of this thread where I misinterpreted what one guy in a thread meant which was cleared up minutes later, or 2. you're just projecting.
It's hard to tell where the line is drawn between idiocy and delusion, so I'm not gonna (don't have to) pick either one, who knows, maybe both are true (or neither - we'll never know, because any input from you is unfortunately equal to white noise in terms of substance).


You objected to my analogy saying "breivik was a mentally fucked dude". The implication then is, whether you intended it or not, that Hitler was not mentally fucked, why the hell else would you mention it?


Wondering at this point if you even comprehend analogies or what they are...

? I'm just addressing the parts of what you've been saying that's remotely worth answering, unlike your 20 lines long rants on the details of how it was to be a jew during Hitler's time, as if 1. you know anything about that matter, and 2. as if it's in any way relevant to whether nazism is on the political left or on the political right...
If you want a review on your primary school essays on nazism feel free to offer me some incentive (like say $40/hr) and I'll gladly give you the F grade that you deserve


Thank you.

Yes I quoted your 6 months old or whatever post, but I wasn't the one bumping the thread - whomever bumped the thread got me looking at it
What's wrong with replying to 6 months old posts anyway? Are you saying you don't want the attention, and that you're actually not interested in this topic or having people reply to you beside the fact that you've made around 10 posts in this 5 page thread (that's 20% of the posts.... if my calculator is working right.... ) before I even quoted you for the first time? LOL

I didn't hypothesize anything. You made and shared the observation or belief of yours that socialism is a milder form of communism, I responded saying I agree and made a similar type of observation only on the other side of the political spectrum - namely the connection between US' republicanism and nazism/fascism.

Anyway, I see you're not actually going to give me any criticism like you just said you would (who would ever suspect that a right-winger would back down on his word, or simple con or cheat...) about my conduct here and instead you're just baiting me back into attacking your strawmen or taking your circus seriously, which is really an impossibility in the long-run when you're acting like a psychotic clown, much like Trump, trying to make a giant circus out of everything; juggling and unicycling all over the place

I thought I'd give you guys a chance to show that you have some human/rational potential in you. That although you both appear to be completely deluded idiots, having clearly no theoretical nor practical understanding of these or probably any other matters either, that actually there's at least a couple of braincells in there still working... I must say I'm very disappointed to learn that there is not
Well, time to move on to some group of people that actually have some human or intellectual potential left in them > 0

Ignoring everything else.

Can you explain in detail "the connection between US' republicanism and nazism/fascism."
I would like to hear your reasoning.

 

[Arashel]

Good luck with that
He's probably one of those uneducated, stubborn internet folks, who really doesn't know anything, besides some very vague and very general/broad slogans.

 

[Flatlander]

Good luck with that
He's probably one of those uneducated, stubborn internet folks, who really doesn't know anything, besides some very vague and very general/broad slogans.

Don't trash him, he simply has ideas different than yours (or mine).
The only way to move forward in a society is have a discussion. If you just insult someone or de-platform them, then you will never move forward.

Now i'm not saying anything on OTland forum will be productive, but It's just how I always deal with disagreement in all situations.

 

[Arashel]

@Flatlander
I'm not trashing anyone.
I'm just stating the truth and I'm not one of those people who will dress the truth in more polite or fancy words.
If someone is stupid/thick/ignorant/uneducated/etc. fool who:
- cannot explain his opinions and can only say "you're wrong";
- immediately go into offtopic talk and ignore the threads that He himself started;
- or jump chaotically across his arguments, without ability to keep his thoughts coherent to anyone, who doesn't live inside his head;

...I'll gladly and harshly point this out. In RL people like him are either batshit crazy ANTIFA-like morons who cannot discuss, only protest or "shy" people who will not risk making themselves fools in eyes of other people by igniting the discussion they re not prepared to have.

 

[e.e]

Don't trash him, he simply has ideas different than yours (or mine).
The only way to move forward in a society is have a discussion. If you just insult someone or de-platform them, then you will never move forward.

Now i'm not saying anything on OTland forum will be productive, but It's just how I always deal with disagreement in all situations.

Would you mind telling a bit about yourself @Flatlander?
Anything you feel relevant.
And would you mind sharing your opinion on why the three of us clashed so hard, and are we bound never to get along?

 

[Flatlander]

Would you mind telling a bit about yourself @Flatlander?
Anything you feel relevant.
And would you mind sharing your opinion on why the three of us clashed so hard, and are we bound never to get along?

Sure I don't care.
I'm a 30 year old white nerd.
I think Trump is an idiot, I think Hillary is a Criminal, and I think Socialism is evil therefor Bernie is an idiot.

The three of us clashed so hard because some people have a personality that when you have a disagreement they take it as a personal attack.

For example:
Papa Roach is my favorite band.
If someone else said "I think Papa Roach sucks". I wouldn't care. YOU don't have to like my favorite band.

But, for a lot of people, if you say their favorite band sucks, they take it as a personal attack, and they start being a raging idiot.
Those are the types of people you cannot have a rational discussion with. Or at least it is very hard to.

 

[Flatlander]

@Flatlander
I'm not trashing anyone.
I'm just stating the truth and I'm not one of those people who will dress the truth in more polite or fancy words.
If someone is stupid/thick/ignorant/uneducated/etc. fool who:
- cannot explain his opinions and can only say "you're wrong";
- immediately go into offtopic talk and ignore the threads that He himself started;
- or jump chaotically across his arguments, without ability to keep his thoughts coherent to anyone, who doesn't live inside his head;

...I'll gladly and harshly point this out. In RL people like him are either batshit crazy ANTIFA-like morons who cannot discuss, only protest or "shy" people who will not risk making themselves fools in eyes of other people by igniting the discussion they re not prepared to have.

I simply would propose the idea that with your approach, the people you see as idiots will never learn anything new.
And you will never learn anything new from the "idiots".

What people need to realise is you aren't better than anyone.
You might be better, or more knowledgable than someone on ONE subject. But you aren't better than ANYONE at EVERYTHING. There will always be something you can learn from people.

Even the terrorists in ANTIFA probably have something they could contribute, if only they would start being productive parts of society.
I would rather convince people with logic to change their minds, than to just trash them, or be rude, and immediately shut them off from any hope of redemption.

 

[Arashel]

@Flatlander
Really... I cannot take you serious... Your inspiring small talk about BRILLIANT way of discussing over the net is kinda ludicrous considering your previous post and how easy you took his baits of going into offtopic thread of talking about yourself thread and not pointing out that He STILL didn't answer some of your questions...