About Anti-Trump people turning violent

[e.e]

Sure I don't care.
I'm a 30 year old white nerd.
I think Trump is an idiot, I think Hillary is a Criminal, and I think Socialism is evil therefor Bernie is an idiot.

The three of us clashed so hard because some people have a personality that when you have a disagreement they take it as a personal attack.

For example:
Papa Roach is my favorite band.
If someone else said "I think Papa Roach sucks". I wouldn't care. YOU don't have to like my favorite band.

But, for a lot of people, if you say their favorite band sucks, they take it as a personal attack, and they start being a raging idiot.
Those are the types of people you cannot have a rational discussion with. Or at least it is very hard to.

Alright, yeah. I think I agree.
I've forgotten what plans/ideas I had of where to go with this yesterday, so I'll just have to freestyle it.

Well, let me first say I like post 95 and 99 (I very much agree and relate to the last one).
And I'm also thinking like if we (me and you guys specifically) want to continue this conversation we have to change our approach and angle or something, because that super-combativeness was going nowhere imo (and I feel responsible for some of it; perhaps the beginning (my first post) most of all, idk).
So I thought of a new angle being why we believe what we believe or something, and perhaps what we believe also, but in the context of why we believe it.
Specifically I wanted to know what exactly you guys believe and what the rational is behind it, like what are your political beliefs/worldviews as a whole?
Where does the leftists come from, where does the right-wingers come from (ideologically of course, not geographically)?
What would you guys like to see in the world, and why? What do you think about the current political situation (in the US, worldwide, and which direction is it going in)? Etc.

 

[Marcus]

You have 10 million people in Sweden with a 60% tax rate.

Also, the US spends more on defense than the next 28 countries combined, 27 of which are allies we protect (This may be an old stat, I googled and found we are 34% of the world's defense now and we spend more than the next 8 countries combined, China now spends a ton on defense). A HUGE portion of our taxes goes to defending the world. If we move those taxes over the College, the stability of the free world is compromised. We do not have the luxury to live in a small state defended by a Super-Power. We are the Super-Power and we have the responsibility to protect our allies.

20-30% taxes in Sweden, depending on where you live.
if you make A LOT of money, it becomes higher.
And our system would work in US too.. if they wasn't so greedy making sure all 1% get more money than the rest of the 98%.
And if they would cut down a little on military.

It was calculated if US skipped all military events for 1 day alone, they could fund schools all over the entire US for 10 years.
So.. just cut back a little.. and fund schools as fuck

Btw, it's easy for you to say "I don't wanna pay for others healthcare".. until you get some weird sickness and you can't work and you can't even pay for yourself anymore because you're too sick.
Humanity is about helping eachother to evolve, using "fuck you I wont pay for you" just feed the dark side..

 

[Arashel]

And our system would work in US too.. if they wasn't so greedy making sure all 1% get more money than the rest of the 98%.

Wut? Sweden system will work in every rich state. Even Marx himself wrote that socialist revolution can only effectively happen in capitalistic states, while it will not work in poor, post-feudal/pre-capitalist states.
You didn't say nothing new, original or smart. Rich states have money to fund those socialist experiments for few decades, before economy and demography will crash.
Also with your current trends in demography, You should be more interested in Sweden becoming Islamic Caliphate instead of acting like you have all the solutions for everyone else's problems.

And if they would cut down a little on military.

It was calculated if US skipped all military events for 1 day alone, they could fund schools all over the entire US for 10 years.
So.. just cut back a little.. and fund schools as fuck

I love this kind of hippe nonsense...
I love how uneducated people talks about geopolitics without any knowledge about things like: Russia trying to reintegrate former Soviet empire, People's Republic of China building more islands for military purposes, Japan changing its constitution so the soldier can know fight on the foreign soil, North Korea - Iran cooperation on their nuclear projects, etc.
US military is one of the major factor that keep everyone at bay. But hey. EDUCATION. You will fight tanks and assualt weapons of invading armies with your EDUCATION

Btw, it's easy for you to say "I don't wanna pay for others healthcare".. until you get some weird sickness and you can't work and you can't even pay for yourself anymore because you're too sick.

Wrong. I have some experience with working in biotech/biochemist laboratory and You should know that making drugs, especially in form of simple proteins is relatively cheap. Drugs are expensive, because making them is regulated by shitload of laws and taxes are high.
Research and development is kinda expensive, especially with all of those taxes and regulations, but later the technology is fairly simple and quick.

Humanity is about helping eachother to evolve, using "fuck you I wont pay for you" just feed the dark side..

I'm sorry but "evolution" is the word use either by propagandist or uneducated people. Evolution of homo sapiens - very complex multicellular organism, takes a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time and there aren't any evidences that this kind of social interactions(socialist types of economy) are creating any positive impact on the genome.
Do not use evolution - specific scientific term, in conjunction with loosely scientific hypothesis about sociology.

 

[Marcus]

Wut? Sweden system will work in every rich state. Even Marx himself wrote that socialist revolution can only effectively happen in capitalistic states, while it will not work in poor, post-feudal/pre-capitalist states.
You didn't say nothing new, original or smart. Rich states have money to fund those socialist experiments for few decades, before economy and demography will crash.
Also with your current trends in demography, You should be more interested in Sweden becoming Islamic Caliphate instead of acting like you have all the solutions for everyone else's problems.


I love this kind of hippe nonsense...
I love how uneducated people talks about geopolitics without any knowledge about things like: Russia trying to reintegrate former Soviet empire, People's Republic of China building more islands for military purposes, Japan changing its constitution so the soldier can know fight on the foreign soil, North Korea - Iran cooperation on their nuclear projects, etc.
US military is one of the major factor that keep everyone at bay. But hey. EDUCATION. You will fight tanks and assualt weapons of invading armies with your EDUCATION


Wrong. I have some experience with working in biotech/biochemist laboratory and You should know that making drugs, especially in form of simple proteins is relatively cheap. Drugs are expensive, because making them is regulated by shitload of laws and taxes are high.
Research and development is kinda expensive, especially with all of those taxes and regulations, but later the technology is fairly simple and quick.


I'm sorry but "evolution" is the word use either by propagandist or uneducated people. Evolution of homo sapiens - very complex multicellular organism, takes a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time and there aren't any evidences that this kind of social interactions(socialist types of economy) are creating any positive impact on the genome.
Do not use evolution - specific scientific term, in conjunction with loosely scientific hypothesis about sociology.

So you're an "get money or die motherfucker" guy.. good to know
And about the war, how retarded are you for not seeing the 1 day every 10 years is enough cutback to fund schools.

And it's funny you talk about EDUCATION yet you stand on the side that say "fuck off, no money no EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION"..
in US, you maybe get your education and stuff, but your cousin that might be smarter than einstein, wont get one because his family happened to be poor as fuck..
so someone who could change the world, end up on street without education...

Great logic and very awesome system..

 

[Arashel]

You should just not respond at all, instead of showing that you didn't even bother to read my whole post...

 

[Marcus]

You should just not respond at all, instead of showing that you didn't even bother to read my whole post...

Maybe you shouldn't reply when you just assume nobody know what they're talking about..
like your:
"I love how uneducated people talks about geopolitics without any knowledge about things like: Russia trying to reintegrate former Soviet empire, People's Republic of China building more islands for military purposes, Japan changing its constitution so the soldier can know fight on the foreign soil, North Korea - Iran cooperation on their nuclear projects, etc.".

Just because I mentioned a 0.03% funds drawback on military to make everyone more educated.
0.03%... OMG THEY WONT SURVIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Arashel]

"Maybe you shouldn't reply when you just assume nobody know what they're talking about.."
Okey xD Then please be my guest and explain me the geopolitics of Pacific Ocean and how US military is tied to it. Not too many details. Just enough to proves that decrease in military spending and decreased presence is something good.

 

[e.e]

I'm sorry but "evolution" is the word use either by propagandist or uneducated people. Evolution of homo sapiens - very complex multicellular organism, takes a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time and there aren't any evidences that this kind of social interactions(socialist types of economy) are creating any positive impact on the genome.
Do not use evolution - specific scientific term, in conjunction with loosely scientific hypothesis about sociology.

Pretty sure he was talking about social/political evolution. Science didn't invent and doesn't own the term.
You really think it's any of your business telling people what words they're allowed and not allowed to use even when the words are easily understood and colloquially accepted?

Anyway, be a man Arashel and tell us what your actual deal is instead of acting out as this aggressive, belligerent twat that nobody wants to have a conversation with for more than 10 seconds because you're as inhospitable and uninteresting as a bathtub full of acid.

If you're not aware yet, it doesn't matter what skills, talents, intelligence or whatever you actually do (or don't) have when nobody wants to talk with you except out of sympathy or disgust because you're just toxic.
You're never going to accomplish anything substantial or interesting if all you can do is

people.

 

[Arashel]

Science didn't invent and doesn't own the term.

BuahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAH! Science didn't invent evolution term. Nic try

Btw. I'll not answer to any of your questions, until your prove your original points about Hitler/right/capitalism/etc. and prove that I'm wrong. So either ignore me entirely or prepare yourself to be ignored.

 

[Marcus]

BuahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAH! Science didn't invent evolution term. Nic try

Btw. I'll not answer to any of your questions, until your prove your original points about Hitler/right/capitalism/etc. and prove that I'm wrong. So either ignore me entirely or prepare yourself to be ignored.

he's right, you're just toxic, and somewhat retarded.
You look down on people based on how they type..

yet you expect someone to prove you wrong, while you're ignoring them.
matter in fact, you sound like Trump..

 

[e.e]

BuahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAH! Science didn't invent evolution term. Nic try

Was Darwin around in the 17th century? Online Etymology Dictionary

Btw. I'll not answer to any of your questions, until your prove your original points about Hitler/right/capitalism/etc. and prove that I'm wrong. So either ignore me entirely or prepare yourself to be ignored.

It's impossible to prove a negative, and it's impossible to have a meaningful conversation with a robot that's stuck in an infinite loop.
Nobody is going to take you serious enough to bother discussing anything in-depth with you when you're acting like one of these robots programmed by a clown intended to spread unfunny jokes around the universe.
The only reason I still respond to you is out of sympathy my friend.

 

[Arashel]

yet you expect someone to prove you wrong, while you're ignoring them.

I did what...? Ignore it? Is there any particualr reason for you to LIE...?
I took your post, divided it into 4 parts and answered all of them. And what did you do...? You took ONE quote and put semi-funny semi-serious, which wasn't even remotely close to my point...
And now You dare to accuse me of ignoring You? This is pathetic. The most negative kind of pathetic.

 

[Marcus]

I did what...? Ignore it? Is there any particualr reason for you to LIE...?
I took your post, divided it into 4 parts and answered all of them. And what did you do...? You took ONE quote and put semi-funny semi-serious, which wasn't even remotely close to my point...
And now You dare to accuse me of ignoring You? This is pathetic. The most negative kind of pathetic.

until your prove your original points about Hitler/right/capitalism/etc. and prove that I'm wrong. So either ignore me entirely or prepare yourself to be ignored.

"So either ignore me entirely or prepare yourself to be ignored."
So either way, one will end up ignoring the other, while expecting to get an answer.

or did you mean more like "until you prove me wrong" -->> "if you prove me wrong, I wont listen and still call you idiot"?

 

[Arashel]

Was Darwin around in the 17th century? Online Etymology Dictionary

I never said anything about Darwin. Show me actual sources of first use of that word and prove that it hasn't scientific meaning.

It's impossible to prove a negative, and it's impossible to have a meaningful conversation with a robot that's stuck in an infinite loop.

Your own words: "[...] just like US capitalistic republicanism is the milder form of nazism/fascism"
It has nothing to do with proving that something didn't happened, so "prove a negative" doesn't work here. You clearly stated that there are some similarities between capitalism and fascism. It's your job to present them.
Same with this quote: "Hitler was also on the absolute opposite side on the political spectrum to where socialism is. Socialism being on the left, nazism being on the extreme right."

 

[Arashel]

"So either ignore me entirely or prepare yourself to be ignored."
So either way, one will end up ignoring the other, while expecting to get an answer.
or did you mean more like "until you prove me wrong" -->> "if you prove me wrong, I wont listen and still call you idiot"?

Let me do some explaining: This guy came here. Stated few things and when asked about explaining his points, He ignored those and answered only to some offtopic fragment to my post. This is why I'm ignoring him. I'm not interested in talking with someone who enters to room, yells "you're wrong" without giving argument and then proceed to offtopic discussion about completely different stuff.

 

[Marcus]

You must be Trump..
Avoiding arguments with weird quotes and stuffs that's not just right for the subject at all..

"What you think about making school free for everyone?"
-"Does Japanese eats stones?! NO! they do not so lets not create a building of feathers on the lime phony in the lake!"

But Gz for getting ignored mate

 

[Arashel]

I honestly don't know what to say...
The last two pages of this thread shows that I'm talking truth about his behavior and you still talk nonsense about avoiding some argument - which He didn't even write; or putting "weird quotes" - which are just direct quotes of his post...

 

[e.e]

Show me actual sources of first use of that word and prove that it hasn't scientific meaning.

I already did, post #111. It's not my problem if you don't know how to open a link or how to read.

I never said anything about Darwin.

Yeah, it's not like Darwin and Evolution is connected in any way

Next statement of yours in the future: "I didn't say Darwin and Evolution isn't connected!"...
You're the definition of an unconscious troll. So absolutely hopeless and lost that you barely exist at all...
I would laugh at you, but you're not even funny. Not even a trickster, not even a joke, just a big stinking pile of garbage that nobody wants to touch.
So have fun being an annoying burden to everyone around you until you're taken to the dumping ground.
You've made this life-decision on your own right here, right now, and/or in the past, so you've got no one but yourself to blame.

 

[Arashel]

Again. I still didn't get answers to your statements about right, left, communism, fascism and capitalism, so I'm not going to continue yet another topic.
Btw. I realize that You're doing to, because You really cannot prove your previous point so you lure everyone into discussion about something more suitable for You. I'll not play this game.

 

[Flatlander]

20-30% taxes in Sweden, depending on where you live.
if you make A LOT of money, it becomes higher.
And our system would work in US too.. if they wasn't so greedy making sure all 1% get more money than the rest of the 98%.
And if they would cut down a little on military.

It was calculated if US skipped all military events for 1 day alone, they could fund schools all over the entire US for 10 years.
So.. just cut back a little.. and fund schools as fuck

Btw, it's easy for you to say "I don't wanna pay for others healthcare".. until you get some weird sickness and you can't work and you can't even pay for yourself anymore because you're too sick.
Humanity is about helping eachother to evolve, using "fuck you I wont pay for you" just feed the dark side..

What is the tax rate in Sweden?
In order to raise a lot of income tax revenue, income tax rates in Scandinavian countries are rather high except for in Norway. Denmark's top marginal effective income tax rate is 60.4 percent. Sweden's is 56.4 percent. Norway's top marginal tax rate is 39 percent.Jun 10, 2015

Everywhere I look I can't find your 20-30% figure. If my data is wrong please give me sources.

Also, lets imagine this:
Imagine you need to spend an equal amount to other countries every year, or you will not be able to defend yourself AT ALL against anyone who wanted to attack you.
Now Imagine, You have one country that says "Hey, I will defend you, so you don't have to spend as much money on Defense."
Yay! Now you can spend all your money on Education, Healthcare, and Welfare.

So you raise your Taxes to HUGE amounts, something like 60%, and pay for everyone's stuff in your country, just hand out free stuff to everyone.
BUT, even with your high taxes, your country begins going into debt because of all the free stuff you are giving away. (Almost at 215 billion dollars)

Then people look at your country and think, "That is awesome, why can't we be like that?"
Well #1, even THEY cannot be like that, because they are going further into debt every year, which means it isn't sustainable.
And #2, Another country is paying for their defense budget.

The USA does need huge reforms in how we are spending our budget. But it isn't as simple as taking from the Defense Budget and placing it in Education.