- Oct 23, 2012
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Big YES for otland, since otservlist is so corrupted, Xinn doesn't give a f*ck, he banned permanently alot of servers, since they may break the rule or they had problem between them so it would be fresh start for servers that permanently banned, besides i want to see something "new" this otservlist doesn't change over years, looks like someone take the money and doing nothing with the website, better to see someone new and give them donation and see the results than see this otservlist that not change over years so much waste of money.
someone should scrap through the archive data for otservlist.org and count up the amount of times mastercores/darkot/retrocores had yellow banner / launch timer. Im going to say its probably over at least 2-5 grand+ for the last 2-4 years?
Everyone around oldschool knew mastercores spoofed hellas yet it remained on that list for years.. xD same with insert many other 7.4 ots here
someone should interview Ironyt/Medivia and his experience with xinn and his service.. I would be interested to hear the story around that situation.
Xinn bans servers who leave proof they spoof, he doesnt care about anything else. If you eliminate the proof that you are spoofing, he will not ban you. Which is the environment we see in OTservlist today.. some people are better at it and some are lazier at it XD.
if you send actual legitimate connections with ip information to your server(with php, sql conn scripts simulating memory protocols) an external source(xinn) cannot prove the difference between spoofing and non spoofing at that point(xinn may say he can but its impossible).. He'll look at your playercounts / date the server was added/ weird player data that you give him access to... The reason he looks corrupt is because developers remove the ability for him to prove any spoof, which eliminates xinn's accountability and he can say he 'checked' a server.
I think if Xinn spent more time investigating servers things would be better, but I guess running an iptable command and nit picking graphs are enough to alleviate his liability.. xD
I think Xinns prices are absolutely ridiculous and he takes advantage of the monopoly he built years back but tbh you cant say xinn is corrupt because he does operate to a code and makes that public..
everyone has the freedom to use his service or not. And to make there own. I love free market.
Im not an otservlist fan but in Xinns defense you have to prove guilt. which will always be a better system than having to prove innocence. its frustrating but that's life.. some people know how to take advantage of that situation..
I would like an explanation on the banning of marcus's servers.. why they were allowed to be online on otservlist for sooo long and why are they are now banned?
(I said Marcus darkot/mastercores spoofed and I was perma banned for calling it out years ago)
As to the OP
There are good alternatives already.Since Otserverlist if full corrupted in my opinion and many other people thinking the same.
Should OtLand try open new full clear site where otservers could be listed and players can see clearly every single information of those Ot Servers?
What you think ?
Dedication to your players and ensuring a stable fun game environment will land you the most players imo.
facebook, word of mouth, paying influencers/guild leaders will get you way farther than otservlist ever will.
otland should not make a list because they would have to take a stance on spoofing and that would be complicated.
I think a good suggestion would be an up-vote system otland users could use(and not hopefully abuse) to upvote quality servers in the advertisement section, boosting them in some way?
Or maybe a managed OTLand facebook group? or a managed Otland Discord server.
We need some new sort of rating system separate from online count...fuck that has this been tried?
Its always been a frustration of mine to see quality servers be judged simply on their player count and not the content within. Is it on other lists?
This is why I like steam.. il pick up small indie games all the time not knowing online counts and still have a hell of a good time and leave a good review. I know this can be abused but its a hell of a better system than players choosing gameservers simply by online counts.
Im sure many quality developers here have heard the line 'you have the best server but you need people'.
Meanwhile OTS who can successfully incognito spoof reign supreme while a small time devs are left competing with those servers..
It sounds like the main idea would be to create a place where everyone could congregate better to share quality servers.. imo again thatd be a managed Discord or Facebook group? Theres a discord now but its not managed by otland / its hard to find for players(not devs) imo.
sry for the lengthy post
All the best.