those guys up trying to cover corruption on this server
just a friendly reminder:
this guy have been unbanned after his guild threat staff on discord and voice chat theres more people like him inside brazilian rage guild who got unbanned in past but this particual video was published by gm we dont have access to other proofs of ppl using bot and getting unbanned after all but we assume just by rumors it is common thing on dura
Theres few ppl spamming discord asking for similar proof videos to two other cases from brasilian rage but staff completly ignore them and refuse to public it even tho they record every proof of cheater seems like some ppl are ban-proof
This is what I have said in our Discord, one on the idea of corruption and two on what really happened:
What happened:
- I woke up from sleep.
- GM ZapZap informed me of an appeal for a ban.
- I asked for the video and Michael to join me.
- I watched it, and said "damnit, this isn't good enough. too many holes for it to be conclusive"
- While watching I was informed of the desire from many players to have conference with me and fellow staff
- I told God Michael and ZapZap my thought process and we all universally agreed, probably cheating but not conclusive
- We went to join them in conference
- I had Leo explain what happened. ZapZap translated.
- We listened.
- We said it's probably chearing but inconclusive and therefore you will be unbanned.
- Michael unbanned him.
- We explained how we're shoring up the rules so this no longer happens. That there will be a new rule where you are responsible for your character which I've already detailed.
- That's it.
The idea of corruption is frankly... I don't even want to say it.
Accusations of corruption have no basis if you examine the case and its facts. There is a basis for disagreement, for controversy, for stupidity (and I obviously disagree), for foolishness.
The safest [for Administration] (and also most corrupt route) would have been after seeing the video "Well it's not conclusive but if we unban him, doing the right thing, we're gonna have a shitstorm on our hands and people will be more plaintive where as instead if we just let it stand as is, state he's cheating, nothing will come of it, we let a potential innocent go into the slammer so we don't take the flak."
Rumors are nasty things. And in the age of Social Media and Information as well as many people having unfortunately a great deal of time on their hands and little to do they seize on scattered and fragmented information, as well as rumor and speculation, and run with it to pulpit and altar assuming it's absolute truth. The idea of our decision to unban based on emotional threats of the moment, which came after the fact to our awareness of the actual decision, is a fantasy.
I also wrote this in our Discord:
This case was already being reviewed before anyone said any emotionally whipped statements that could not be seriously construed as Sever Threats to Dura as you claim. It's like any common court of law where saying "I want to kill you!" is not admissible evidence that this person was actually going to kill a man. People seeing a friend banned improperly, which is what occurred, in 2021 with Forums, Discord, Whatsapp, Facebook at their fingertips would be expected to emotionally lose themselves a bit saying "War!" I didn't then and I don't now take this as a serious threat because of the aforeexplained. Other people/groups on Dura have also make such types of impulsive claims in passing. If there was ever detected a serious threat in the way you describe, it would be deemed actual Destructive Behavior and would be categorically banned on the spot.
Fun and good idea for server
Corrupted gm
Server stands 3 months already and damage done by administration is massive.
Before next launch:
Think about hard rules and respect it by yourself. Baning and unbaning cheaters is worst thing you can do. Ban shall be final!!!!
Balance item quests, because seriously there is damn big advantage for players from some quests.
Keep exp quests, its fun and let ppl lvl some+its additional reason to explore world you created.
Correct minor bugs with monsters behavior etc.
Let ambush and elite monsters be.
Delete or rework social rune system. Its no sense hlv ppl gain crazy amount of runes each day. And you said you want make harder tibia. So do it without social rune or make them givable once a week in next edition. Dunno, many ideas about it.
And I repeat main problem:
Boting, cheating cant be legal!!!!
Administration must be trustworthy with such actions you are totally not!!
See you
Lamusini
I've always appreciated your criticism Lamusini but as I've stated above the idea of corruption is absurd and you should frankly retract it.
Baning and unbaning cheaters is worst thing you can do. Ban shall be final!!!! This is true politically, it doesn't look good but it is the right thing to do. You cannot always expect the first judgement to be correct; the concept of 'appeal' exists for a reason.
The other points you've made have no bearing on this matter, and while things should be and have already been tweaked in the directions you've proposed in essence I disagree with you in your analysis. Item and Exp quests are now functioning exactly as we want. I'm not aware of bugs in monster behavior. Realm's Aid or what you call the Social Rune System is necessary, otherwise 7.4 is nothing but a pyramid scheme; the highest levels suck all the runes from the lowest.
As always I appreciate your words Lamusini,
Aris
it's only 98% proof
Personally, I would ban him with the whole family. Those who then threatened to blow up the server, I would also send to Deletera too
Ok, and that's your right for your game. However I can only imagine how many people you've banned who were not actually cheating. I assume if you ban for the above with jocular ease, which I approximately rate at "98%", I would imagine you ban for as low as "95%" and so forth.
I also wrote this on Discord on this context:
I understand some people want blood. Why? Because we hate cheating. I hate cheating too. I designed and FOUNDED Dura much on the basis that I detest cheating and that it ruined the once great game and it was paramount that I eliminate all forms of it. Macro, Bot, but even the in-game forms of cheating like Online-Trainers, P2W mechanisms, and more.
However we, and I always will, must preserve the possible light of innocence, even if a sliver in size, to pierce the dark maw of hunger for the want of blood of all cheaters, who, for all those years we played Tibia ruined the game we love and we hated that they did so.
you need to know to a what you call botting since i did just see someone maybe using macro to fish if he respond to you just keep talking to him for me it was unfair.
Hi Olddies, I didn't quite understand your statement. Are you saying it was unfair we unbanned him because the character in question was definitely cheating or are you saying it was unfair to ban the character in the first place because it was inconclusive? Thanks
Not playin this server but shit got highlighted, went for some popcorn and started readin.
Just checking the vids of this serverino.
Idk what u guys drunk if u don't see 100% clear that it's a bot.
If u didn't ban that shit, you've got a lot more of those wankers running around my man.
Dream on and hope for 0.0000001% it's not a bot on your own server. Cheaters deserve to get banned. Be fair to your honest community, and you'll get a lot further with your server.
I understand and appreciate that you believe without question it was cheating. We don't have that luxury when we take Players hundreds of hours of time spent on their Accounts into our hands. It must be definitive and conclusive evidence to ban a person. You might think differently if it was your character/account on trial and even though it was highly likely it appeared you were cheating or violating rules if it wasn't conclusive you do not deserve deletion. It is unjust.
The idea that if I had to bet I would bet against him cheating is ludicrous, of course he is probably cheating. But you can't convict someone on probably, it must be definitive. You can look above to my comments on what actual corruption looks like.
As well there is another form of corruption: laziness. It's easy to circulate player by player and just ban on probables and gut instinct. It's much harder to do things by the letter of the law and make sure you give the benefit of doubt and fair trial to the ones you seek to punish.
It would be nice if life was always Black and White and there was never messiness. But that's not how the world works, there is gray often, as well as messiness. And from that always imperfect conclusions must be drawn with controversial and non-uniformly approved decisions.
Best